Popular Post webfact Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 Thai tourism: 40 million tourists won't happen this year - strong baht, trade war to blame Picture: INN The president of the influential Tourism Council of Thailand is the latest prominent official to say that tourism in the kingdom is not matching up to expectations in 2019. Chairat Trairattanajarasporn told INN that the strong baht and the trade war between the US and China is to blame, sentiments that echo others made last week. He said that foreign tourists were going to other countries where they might get more for their money. He said that the industry would have to wait and see if there were third and fourth quarter improvements that would keep the country on track for the target of 40.06 million tourists this year. As far as the Tourism Council is concerned, he said that their forecast was now under 40 million at 39.56 million after a drop in expectations in the first two quarters of the year. Source: INN -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2019-09-23 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chelseafan Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) Who knew? Oh wait, Everyone except the ToT. Edited September 23, 2019 by Chelseafan 16 3 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trainman34014 Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) No worries; TAT will inform us that next year there will be 80 million visitors to make up the deficit ! Edited September 23, 2019 by trainman34014 11 1 34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 Not only me but a couple of friends would really like to know how the figure are decided. What factors are used to determine a tourist arrival. Total count of non Thai passports going through airports and border posts? Total number of hotel registrations of non Thai passports or just all passports.? Total of passports in airports plus total of hotel registrations? 10 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post quandow Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, overherebc said: Not only me but a couple of friends would really like to know how the figure are decided. What factors are used to determine a tourist arrival. Total count of non Thai passports going through airports and border posts? Total number of hotel registrations of non Thai passports or just all passports.? Total of passports in airports plus total of hotel registrations? They pull the numbers out their butts. 24 6 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chelseafan Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, quandow said: They pull the numbers out their butts. That'll be a number 2 then. 3 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cerox Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 It is really surprising that after you tell me and others to buy Elite or leave that tourist numbers are down. I cannot figure out the reason why tourist numbers are down. Apart from that I have always wondered who makes these numbers up. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bluesofa Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, trainman34014 said: No worries; TOT will inform us that next year there will be 80 million visitors to make up the deficit ! That's probably because the TOT pull phone numbers out of their system, whereas the TAT just make up any number then multiply by their mother's birthday. The TAT are the more creative ones. 5 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, webfact said: As far as the Tourism Council is concerned, he said that their forecast was now under 40 million at 39.56 million after a drop in expectations in the first two quarters of the year. can't believe it.... could it be possible TAT/TOT are down to reality and s... hit the fan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 Thai travel agents seem to agree: http://www.atta.or.th/?p=4019 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, overherebc said: Not only me but a couple of friends would really like to know how the figure are decided. What factors are used to determine a tourist arrival. Total count of non Thai passports going through airports and border posts? Total number of hotel registrations of non Thai passports or just all passports.? Total of passports in airports plus total of hotel registrations? Correct (Total count of non Thai passports going through airports and border posts?), that is what TAT is using. In other words, they don't differentiate between different type of tourist. Any non-Thai that enter Thailand = 1 tourist. Flawed accounting of course. https://www.airportthai.co.th/en/airports-of-thailand-plc/about-aot/air-transport-statistic/ Edited September 23, 2019 by ExpatOilWorker 8 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PatOngo Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, overherebc said: Not only me but a couple of friends would really like to know how the figure are decided. 4 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, trainman34014 said: No worries; TOT will inform us that next year there will be 80 million visitors to make up the deficit ! TOT, the phone company? Did they call you and said that? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post trainman34014 Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said: TOT, the phone company? Did they call you and said that? Typo ! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SidJames Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Thai travel agents seem to agree: http://www.atta.or.th/?p=4019 2.76% from India. The whole lot must go to Pattaya & no where else 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cyril sneer Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 has nothing to do with the Baht 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, PatOngo said: Double tops this year and treble tops next year then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post moe666 Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, overherebc said: Not only me but a couple of friends would really like to know how the figure are decided. What factors are used to determine a tourist arrival. Total count of non Thai passports going through airports and border posts? Total number of hotel registrations of non Thai passports or just all passports.? Total of passports in airports plus total of hotel registrations? Thats funny actually wanting to know how they arrive at the figures, who really cares at the end of the day it is all about how many people come to your business 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eligius Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 They are like a load of clueless, headless chickens running around from one excuse to another - but never blaming themselves. Pathetic! 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Airalee Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, overherebc said: Not only me but a couple of friends would really like to know how the figure are decided. What factors are used to determine a tourist arrival. Total count of non Thai passports going through airports and border posts? Total number of hotel registrations of non Thai passports or just all passports.? Total of passports in airports plus total of hotel registrations? Excellent point. One interesting thing about these numbers is that for me, here on a retirement visa, if I decide to travel from BKK to Phuket on holiday, I spend more money in Thailand vs traveling to a different country. But if I travel to Vietnam, Thailand loses out on the money that I would have spent on hotels, restaurants, etc. but I’m potentially counted as a tourist arrival when I return from my vacation abroad. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, webfact said: Thai tourism: 40 million tourists won't happen this year - strong baht, trade war to blame And the TM (not-to-be-named)... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sitanonchai Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 Guess the strong baht and the trade war are of influence, but there are more factors esp. for repeat visitors. - Dangers on the roads - Scams every place you visit (even Thai people get scammed everywhere) - Pollution of streets and beaches, etc...... - Over inflated prices and taxation products foreigners use - Higher prices for foreigners for instance national parks - Grudge against foreigners - Political climate - Justice only for the rich I can list a lot more and I know that other countries will also have problems, but Thailand has reached the top now. I feel sorry for all the expats because for them it's even worse because of the TM hassle. I used to work in Bangkok for ten years and was a regular visitor in the last couple of years, now it's time to go visit other places until Thailand will make some drastic changes. But that won't happen. 11 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmen Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, SidJames said: 2.76% from India. The whole lot must go to Pattaya & no where else Way to many lower suk I'n my soi which has quiet a few hotels and to many Indian resteraunts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post madmen Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, sitanonchai said: Guess the strong baht and the trade war are of influence, but there are more factors esp. for repeat visitors. - Dangers on the roads - Scams every place you visit (even Thai people get scammed everywhere) - Pollution of streets and beaches, etc...... - Over inflated prices and taxation products foreigners use - Higher prices for foreigners for instance national parks - Grudge against foreigners - Political climate - Justice only for the rich I can list a lot more and I know that other countries will also have problems, but Thailand has reached the top now. I feel sorry for all the expats because for them it's even worse because of the TM hassle. I used to work in Bangkok for ten years and was a regular visitor in the last couple of years, now it's time to go visit other places until Thailand will make some drastic changes. But that won't happen. It's the baht , its always always about the money. The rest is just noise Yours points are affecting mostly expats. A grudge , political climate, justice for the rich? Seriusly what are you talking about, your averge 7 day tourists could care less 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffggi Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Anyone thought of devaluing the Baht......!!! Just a thought..LOL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryofthailand Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Foreigners that live in Thailand go through the airports and evidently are counted as tourists so the numbers are flaud 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaCheese Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Oh dear, whatever happened to journalism and language. "40 million tourists won't happen" is more like there will be 40 million fewer tourists (unless you're The Sun and similar rags). To yet again blame the US/China trade war and in the same sentence say that tourists go to other countries where they get more for their money does simply not compute - Thailand is by far and away not the only tourist destination seeing negative effects from US trade sanctions (a.k.a. great idiocy), and more for the money has on the one hand to do with a seemingly incapable national bank, combined with oligarches who have a convenient way to "export" some of their funds at favorable rates, and on the other hand Thailand offering less and less for more and more money. Greed only goes that far... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmate Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 35 minutes ago, madmen said: Way to many lower suk I'n my soi which has quiet a few hotels and to many Indian resteraunts Plenty in Phuket,direct flights and dedicated hotels,restaurants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Saint Nick Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, madmen said: It's the baht , its always always about the money. The rest is just noise Yours points are affecting mostly expats. A grudge , political climate, justice for the rich? Seriusly what are you talking about, your averge 7 day tourists could care less What about his other points? Here, I give you some more: brainless smoking (on the beach) and beach chair/ umbrella laws, air pollution in Bangkok in CHiang Mai, sudden restriction on alcohol sales EVEN INSIDE HOTELS on whatever- some- zealot- has- on- his- mind- day (Buddhist holidays, election days, pre-election days etc)...all these things happen to you on one holiday (maybe you had a run in with the RTP or the Tourist- police or got scammed by taxi- drivers or night market- vendors) and you really think very hard of coming back. And of course, you share your experiences with your friends or your facebook- group.... You need more? 11 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasThBKK Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Thai travel agents seem to agree: http://www.atta.or.th/?p=4019 These aren't tourist statistics, theese are just stats from members of ATTA, an organization for south east asian travel buros... These numbers have absolutely nothing in common with the tourist numbers. Guess why no malaysia is in there, because they don't use ATTA travel agents.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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