Teenager Thunberg angrily tells U.N. climate summit 'you have stolen my dreams'

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, DrTuner said:

It's also completely irrelevant. Did you watch the video? 

No it’s not completely irrelevant. The video was attached to a post it had nothing to do with.
 

I know who Patrick Moore is and whose interests he represents. 

 

I have watched his performances in the past and read his work. 

 

I do not regard him as credible. 

[DrTuner]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

I do not regard him as credible. 

Well I guess we're back to waiting to see who got it right then. The ice age might take 200M years so could be a rather long wait. 

[Bluespunk]

Just now, DrTuner said:

Well I guess we're back to waiting to see who got it right then. The ice age might take 200M years so could be a rather long wait. 

You might be waiting. 

[brokenbone]

9 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No it’s not completely irrelevant. The video was attached to a post it had nothing to do with.
 

I know who Patrick Moore is and whose interests he represents. 

 

I have watched his performances in the past and read his work. 

 

I do not regard him as credible. 

but it had, the post suggested it was not sustainable

to cut co2 to zero, and you asked why ?

i gave one example why its not sustainable to cut co2 emissions,

its an extreme diet for plants they wont survive

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3 hours ago, Why Me said:

I wouldn't advocate going nuts like that family in NY I read about that's cut their carbon footprint to 0, amongst other things reusing the same rag to clean their bottoms and then rinse it out. 

 

That's not sustainable, kind of like an extreme diet.

bluespunk: Why is it not sustainable?

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed.  

 

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

but it had, the post suggested it was not sustainable

to cut co2 to zero, and you asked why ?

i gave one example why its not sustainable to cut co2 emissions

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Why is it not sustainable?

I asked the poster why that lifestyle was not sustainable. 
 

You posted about shellfish and added a video along with a false claim about the video maker. 

[brokenbone]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I asked the poster why that lifestyle was not sustainable. 
 

You posted about shellfish and added a video along with a false claim about the video maker. 

i posted that co2 is put out of circulation through

sequestration of all kinds of lifeforms in ocean that

build them self a shell, and there is a lower limit of co2

below which plants cant live.

we, the humans, have a duty to preserve life by

burning fossil fuel (fossilized lifeforms) to put that co2 back into circulation

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

i posted that co2 is put out of circulation through

sequestration of all kinds of lifeforms in ocean that

build them self a shell, and there is a lower limit of co2

below which plants cant live.

we, the humans, have a duty to preserve life by

burning fossil fuel to put that co2 back into circulation

Which had nothing to do with my questIon about why the lifestyle mentioned was not sustainable. The people living that lifestyle obviously feel it is sustainable. 
 

As to your claims about fossil fuels and co2. 
 

I do not share them. 

[brokenbone]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Which had nothing to do with my questIon about why the lifestyle mentioned was not sustainable. The people living that lifestyle obviously feel it is sustainable. 
 

As to your claims about fossil fuels and co2. 
 

I do not share them. 

well if all humans were so inhuman not to

do their part of increasing co2 to sustainable levels,

-life will go extinct.

luckily the extremist inhumans that cut their co2 emissions

are few and far in between, but imo ipcc scare mongering

is causing more humans to panic and reduce the essence of life - co2

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

well if all humans were so inhuman not to

do their part of increasing co2 to sustainable levels,

-life will go extinct.

luckily the extremist inhumans that cut their co2 emissions

are few and far in between, but imo ipcc scare mongering

is causing more humans to panic and reduce the essence of life - co2

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to trust the IPCC is correct on its scientific based assessment of human caused climate change. 

[brokenbone]

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to trust the IPCC is correct on its scientific based assessment of human caused climate change. 

but their assessment isnt based on science,

on the contrary they censor out scientists input,

...and then is cheeky enough to list them as supporters of ipcc. i dont even know how they can live with them self

why dont they at least blush as is appropriate when lying through their teeth ?

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ll make an environmentalist if you yet, perhaps even on the left of the spectrum.

I've always been an environmentalist, though of the practical sort and don't hold to the sky is falling climate dogma. I'm also a socialist.

Next.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, brokenbone said:

i posted that co2 is put out of circulation through

sequestration of all kinds of lifeforms in ocean that

build them self a shell, and there is a lower limit of co2

below which plants cant live.

we, the humans, have a duty to preserve life by

burning fossil fuel (fossilized lifeforms) to put that co2 back into circulation

I'm usually on your side, but given that humans apparently contribute only about 3% of CO2 in the atmosphere, what we burn or don't is irrelevant. Personally, I'd like electric cars in cities, though they are completely useless at the moment for large goods transportation and long distance driving.

Hydrogen is the real answer, and there is some hope for that, though the battery powered car lobby is winning at the moment with their hugely polluting to make and dispose of batteries.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, sanemax said:

How much is wind these days ?

and, how many dead birds are acceptable so teenagers can charge their phones using wind powered electricity?

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

btw, jokes apart, i would be truly interested to know your (and others) opinion about feasible solutions for a painless transition from fossil fuels to alternative sources of energy.

Surely you have some idea, care to share ?

Happy to give my suggestions,

Ban all recreational travel using motor vehicles and private ownership of motor vehicles for a start.

You want to take a trip, bicycle and sailing/rowing boats. You want to drive to work or shopping, take the bus.

Foreign holidays, all stopped.

Restrict use of electricity in homes, 5 units per adult per day.

Restrict property ownership to 1 bedroom per adult, or remove the right of single adults to own property.

Stop all use of mobile phones, or restrict ownership to one purchase every ten years.

 

That's just a start

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Happy to give my suggestions,

Ban all recreational travel using motor vehicles and private ownership of motor vehicles for a start.

You want to take a trip, bicycle and sailing/rowing boats. You want to drive to work or shopping, take the bus.

Foreign holidays, all stopped.

Restrict use of electricity in homes, 5 units per person per day.

Stop all use of mobile phones, or restrict ownership to one purchase every ten years.

 

That's just a start

Thanks for suggestions, i'm afraid that trying to impose such draconian measures would trigger social unrest, and that is an understatement.

[brokenbone]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm usually on your side, but given that humans apparently contribute only about 3% of CO2 in the atmosphere, what we burn or don't is irrelevant. Personally, I'd like electric cars in cities, though they are completely useless at the moment for large goods transportation and long distance driving.

Hydrogen is the real answer, and there is some hope for that, though the battery powered car lobby is winning at the moment with their hugely polluting to make and dispose of batteries.

the hell i come from, the heat generation of the combustion engine is every bit as important

as the forward motion it generates,

an electric car will spell death sentence there, (unless i can spend plenti of that electric on warming the cabin of the car too)

otherwise im with you, and i also hope for much better batteries in every way

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Thanks for suggestions, i'm afraid that trying to impose such draconian measures would trigger social unrest, and that is an understatement.

I don't view my suggestions as draconian at all.

Completely reasonable from a sustainable point of view.

As for social unrest, without motor vehicles to truck the protesters around, not a problem.

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't view my suggestions as draconian at all.

Completely reasonable from a sustainable point of view.

As for social unrest, without motor vehicles to truck the protesters around, not a problem.

Well, the way i see it, all the castle of cards is going to collapse anyway, one way or another makes  little difference.

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, brokenbone said:

but their assessment isnt based on science,

on the contrary they censor out scientists input,

...and then is cheeky enough to list them as supporters of ipcc. i dont even know how they can live with them self

why dont they at least blush as is appropriate when lying through their teeth ?

Ah, that partially quoted screenshot you keep posting. 

 

Not good enough. 
 

I’ll stick with the evidence provided by the scientific based IPCC studies. 

[alan grice]

74 pages about a Gobby Kid.????


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[samran]

This thread just proves it.

[brokenbone]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah, that partially quoted screenshot you keep posting. 

 

Not good enough. 
 

I’ll stick with the evidence provided by the scientific based IPCC studies. 

the report doesnt support ipcc agenda,

see one of the scientists comment on the issue from 58 minutes to 1.02 hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg

 

here is the expert reviewer (on radio conference from 7 minutes) on sea level rising (or not)

on that infamous ipcc report whose conclusion was overruled and deleted from the report,

by a bunch of non experts.

no doubt the ipcc <deleted> still list him as

[one of the 97% approve TM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY2J3LPgN4

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Happy to give my suggestions,

Ban all recreational travel using motor vehicles and private ownership of motor vehicles for a start.

You want to take a trip, bicycle and sailing/rowing boats. You want to drive to work or shopping, take the bus.

Foreign holidays, all stopped.

Restrict use of electricity in homes, 5 units per adult per day.

Restrict property ownership to 1 bedroom per adult, or remove the right of single adults to own property.

Stop all use of mobile phones, or restrict ownership to one purchase every ten years.

 

That's just a start

Actually foreign holidays would be OK if travel by train or boat. Air travel simply to blob by a pool somewhere else is what is unacceptable.

Count me in on the mobile phones ban. Highly polluting to make and have caused many problems. At most have one for children that only connects to the emergency services. Adults can have them with a limit on minutes used, unless registered for business use.

[brokenbone]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Happy to give my suggestions,

Ban all recreational travel using motor vehicles and private ownership of motor vehicles for a start.

You want to take a trip, bicycle and sailing/rowing boats. You want to drive to work or shopping, take the bus.

Foreign holidays, all stopped.

Restrict use of electricity in homes, 5 units per adult per day.

Restrict property ownership to 1 bedroom per adult, or remove the right of single adults to own property.

Stop all use of mobile phones, or restrict ownership to one purchase every ten years.

 

That's just a start

i cant walk or ride bicycle due to bad back,

will i get subsidies to hire a 40 kg delivery girl

for essential stuff like food delivery ?

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Thanks for suggestions, i'm afraid that trying to impose such draconian measures would trigger social unrest, and that is an understatement.

 

Our lot are well on the way to forcing everyone to give up petrol powered cars. I'll accept that when kids are banned from using mobile phones and recreational air travel is banned.

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

the report doesnt support ipcc agenda,

see one of the scientists comment on the issue from 58 minutes to 1.02 hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg

 

here is the expert reviewer (on radio conference from 7 minutes) on sea level rising (or not)

on that infamous ipcc report whose conclusion was overruled and deleted from the report,

by a bunch of non experts.

no doubt the ipcc <deleted> still list him as

[one of the 97% approve TM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY2J3LPgN4

 

As I said you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine and mine is that the IPCC is correct. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, brokenbone said:

i cant walk or ride bicycle due to bad back,

will i get subsidies to hire a 40 kg delivery girl

for essential stuff like food delivery ?

?????

Home deliveries of food etc already exists.

[brokenbone]

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

As I said you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine and mine is that the IPCC is correct. 

regarding support from 97% TM,

its not a matter of opinion,

two of them are on record saying ipcc lie through their teeth

when claiming they got backed by them,

its a matter of fact denial

[brokenbone]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

?????

Home deliveries of food etc already exists.

so am i doomed to be confined to my condo indefinitely

because someone think i shouldnt have a scooter ?