U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[chokrai]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He played himself into being impeached. Such a genius. 

He is a genius because the Senate will not impeach and voters get to see more of how nasty the Dems are. Also Biden is toast. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, muzley said:

Interesting article from a traditionally left leaning paper.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/24/democrats-investigation-might-do-more-hurt-biden-than-trump/

That columnist always writes pro "trump" opinion columns. Wapo  includes opinion writers of different political views. The editortial opinion of the paper though is indeed more on the liberal side. You can read that when they label an item that way explicitly. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, chokrai said:

He is a genius because the Senate will not impeach and voters get to see more of how nasty the Dems are. Also Biden is toast. 

I agree the senate probably won't convict but you're incorrect that you think you can predict the future as far as how the public views "trump" after all the evidence is shown in the light. As far as Biden -- he's a separate issue and most democrats don't want to nominate him anyway. 

[roobaa01]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It was already obvious. He basically had admitted it already. Please pay attention. 

what did he basically admit to be impeached for bribery, misdemeanor, high treason ??? or political impeachment ???

 

wbr

roobaa01

Edited September 26, 2019 by roobaa01

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Pelosi had no factual information about the content of Trump's conversation.  What were her grounds for impeachment then?

I'm not your bot. Watch her statement. It was about an official impeachment INVESTIGATION. We aren't at the actual impeachment stage yet. But you know that already. Be a little patient. 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Just now, roobaa01 said:

what did he basically admit to be impeached bribery, misdemeanor, high treason ???

 

wbr

roobaa01

I'm not your bot. It's in several statements of the president where he made it clear that it was true that he had "asked" the Ukraine to find dirt on his political opponent. The fact that he froze the aid package shortly before the phone call is also strong circumstantial evidence. 

 

Let the impeachment investigate proceed and we can talk about it later as much more information WILL be coming out. 

 

This is only at the investigation stage now. There are ground for that stage. For later, let's see.

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I agree the senate probably won't convict but you're incorrect that you think you can predict the future as far as how the public views "trump" after all the evidence is shown in the light. As far as Biden -- he's a separate issue and most democrats don't want to nominate him anyway. 

I believe that's chokrai's point.  When this latest Dem ruse gets put under the microscope the "light" will only shine on the Dems dirty tricks.  Which has the effect of pushing people away from the Dems and towards Trump.

[Thomas J]

Notice the Democrats are ready to impeach Trump for reportedly asking Ukraine to look into the possibility that Joe Biden used influence to gain his son Hunter Biden a $50,000 per month "consulting" fee from a Ukranian oil and gas company.  A field that Hunter Biden has absolutely no experience in.  They don't however suggest that Joe Biden or Hunter Biden be investigated though their clearly is evidence that shows that Joe Biden went with his son to Ukraine and surprise surprise he ends up with the large monthly consulting contract.  So Trump gets lambasted for suggesting something is wrong but the potential wrong doer is completely free from any scrutiny. 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not your bot. Watch her statement. 

I'm simply responding to your statements, Jingthing.  If you want to refuse to answer then I'll accept that.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

I believe that's chokrai's point.  When this latest Dem ruse gets put under the microscope the "light" will only shine on the Dems dirty tricks.  Which has the effect of pushing people away from the Dems and towards Trump.

OK, that's your opinion. That's a risk the democrats took. I happy to think nobody really knows where this is going so you're just guessing based on NOTHING. Historical impeachment attempts are their own thing. This one is totally unique. There has never been a president remotely like "trump" in American history and there is no logical reason to assume his impeachment is going to follow any kind of predictable or predetermined pattern. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

I'm simply responding to your statements, Jingthing.  If you want to refuse to answer then I'll accept that.

Yeah, sure. Act innocent. In truth your constant demands -- prove this, prove that, blah blah blah, comes off like an annoying child. In fact I think I've had enough of this endless tedious game that you're playing, so GOODBYE. 

[roobaa01]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not your bot. It's in several statements of the president where he made it clear that it was true that he had "asked" the Ukraine to find dirt on his political opponent. The fact that he froze the aid package shortly before the phone call is also strong circumstantial evidence. 

 

Let the impeachment investigate proceed and we can talk about it later as much more information WILL be coming out. 

 

This is only at the investigation stage now. There are ground for that stage. For later, let's see.

may i correct here, impeachment inquiry is not possible w/o congress floor vote on a resolution of impeachment reasons.

wbr

roobaa01

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

OK, that's your opinion. That's a risk the democrats took. I happy to think nobody really knows where this is going so you're just guessing based on NOTHING. Historical impeachment attempts are their own thing. This one is totally unique. There has never been a president remotely like "trump" in American history and there is no logical reason to assume his impeachment is going to follow any kind of predictable or predetermined pattern. 

It's not a guess, Jingthing.  My basis is that when the Dems are exposed it will hurt them and help Trump.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, sure. Act innocent. In truth your constant demands -- prove this, prove that, blah blah blah, comes off like an annoying child. In fact I think I've had enough of this endless tedious game that you're playing, so GOODBYE. 

Jingthing, we're constantly being asked to back up our statements with facts.  It goes both ways, doesn't it?

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He played himself into being impeached. Such a genius. 

I'm sure he's looking forward to them doing it. He'll come out of it even more strongly placed to win in 2020.

I've been saying that for ages now, as long as Pelosi has been talking about it.

Dems should be careful what they wish for.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

may i correct here, impeachment inquiry is not possible w/o congress floor vote on a resolution of impeachment reasons.

wbr

roobaa01

It's fair to bring that up as an issue.

Here is a clarification for you.

The investigation phase COMES FIRST.

It may or may not lead to formal articles of impeachment.

In this case, it is my opinion that it's obvious that this investigation WILL lead to the formal step.

But not necessarily. 

Be patient, OK?

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The Impeachment Process, Explained

https://news.yahoo.com/impeachment-process-explained-114832907.html

Edited September 26, 2019 by Jingthing

[thaibeachlovers]

28 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

How is it that Pelosi called for impeachment without ever having any evidence that the accusation was true or false?

IMO she knows that none of the current candidates has a chance against Trump, so is trying to get him removed so they have a better chance of winning, even with Biden as the candidate.

[Becker]

46 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Enough evidence is in plain sight.  People are sick and tired of the corruption.  Time to drain the swamp.  That's what Trump campaigned on the that's what Trump is doing.  People voted for him to fulfill that promise.

"Enough evidence is in plain sight.  People are sick and tired of the corruption.  Time to drain the swamp."

 

Are you saying you actually believe that the ultimate swamp dweller (Trump), who brought with him the slimiest of bottom feeders like Manafort and Cohen, is actually interested in destroying the very habitat where he feels most at home??

You must be joking!

 

"People voted for him to fulfill that promise."

And boy, must they be peed off and feeling foolish by now.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Becker

[mtls2005]

36 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

may i correct here, impeachment inquiry is not possible w/o congress floor vote on a resolution of impeachment reasons.

wbr

roobaa01

 

May I correct here...

 

Step 1 Inquiry, which may or may not result in article(s) of impeachment.

Step 2 Vote in the House on article(s) of impeachment, up/down on each individual article. With passage the defendent (Individual #1) is "impeached". 

Step 3 Senate trial, vote up/down on each individual article. 

 

wbr

 

This process may work differently in Russia?

 

The Whistleblower's Complaint is said to detail efforts to cover up the Ukranian call. Even Republicans who've read it are appalled.

 

Forcing Republican Senators to go all in on the president is a good thing. This sort of treason-y behavior looks bad, and it's simple to understand.

 

And remember this was just one call. Who knows what else he's done on these calls? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by mtls2005

[Jingthing]

There may be a TAPE of the call (and others). The very word TAPE evokes Watergate.

[Tippaporn]

9 minutes ago, Becker said:

"Enough evidence is in plain sight.  People are sick and tired of the corruption.  Time to drain the swamp."

 

Are you saying you actually believe that the ultimate swamp dweller (Trump), who brought with him the slimiest of bottom feeders like Manafort and Cohen, is actually interested in destroying the very habitat where he feels most at home??

You must be joking!

 

"People voted for him to fulfill that promise."

And boy, must they be peed off and feeling foolish by now.

I'll ask you as well.  Produce hard evidence that Trump is corrupt (aka a swamp dweller).  If you cannot then you are simply expressing either speculation or opinion.  And attempting to present your opinions and speculations as hard, cold fact.  That's disingenuous. 

[canuckamuck]

 It's been 35 months since the Dems were certain of impeaching Trump anyday now. Every thing they had has either been nonsense or evidence of their own misdeeds. Scandal after scandal has died on the vine, This last attempt is already beginning to circle the drain. In a week we won't even be hearing about it unless it blows up on Biden, which it certainly might.

I am beginning to suspect that this is all theater and they are failing on purpose because the power brokers want another 4 years of Trump. I mean how can the Democrats be this horrible and self destructive.

It's like American foreign policy. Everything they try to fix turns into destabilization. You can't be that bad every time out can you? 

Edited September 26, 2019 by canuckamuck

[Tippaporn]

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Indeed but here's a good two word answer to such annoying demands -- "trump" university

I suppose if you were charged with a crime and during your trial your lawyer asks for evidence and the prosecutor turns to the judge and complains of your lawyer's annoying demands you would approve?

[mtls2005]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

And innocent until proven guilty.  So much opinion and speculation bandied about that he's guilty.  But dressed up as fact. 

 

I think you're overreacting, projecting and deflecting. Conratulations on the tri-fecta.

 

Whether we think he is guilty is hardly relevant, and if you can't handle people with 'thoughts" different than you own maybe move on to the Daily Stormer.

[Opl]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Meaningless factoid unless it can be definitively linked to corruption.  The cartoonist pretends to know.

Maybe you have adopted Trump's moral compass, but Zelensky seems to understand who he is doing a favor, and he is not the only one, that's how things work with Trump at US Presidency.

Used to be typical of a banana republic practice, but things change  

Edited September 26, 2019 by Opl

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

I think you're overreacting, projecting and deflecting. Conratulations on the tri-fecta.

 

Whether we think he is guilty is hardly relevant, and if you can't handle people with 'thoughts" different than you own maybe move on to the Daily Stormer.

It's not a matter of differing opinions.  It's a matter of people dressing up their speculations and opinions as indisputable fact.  Impossible to have any meaningful discussion when people are predisposed to taking this tact.  And refuse to admit it when confronted.

[Tippaporn]

15 minutes ago, Opl said:

Maybe you have adopted Trump's moral compass, but Zelensky seems to understand who he is doing a favor, and he is not the only one, that's how things work with Trump at US Presidency.

Used to be typical of a banana republic practice, but things change  

Maybe you have adopted Trump's moral compass,

 

Baiting

 

but Zelensky seems to understand who he is doing a favor,

 

Speculation, personal interpretation

 

and he is not the only one,

 

Opinion stated as fact, no evidence provided.

 

that's how things work with Trump at US Presidency.

 

Speculation, opinion dressed up as fact.  No evidence provided.

 

Trump is innocent of this charge until proven guilty.  To talk as if he were already guilty is disingenuous.  To raise any circumstance surrounding this "scandal" and pretend that it is rooted in corruption without providing any evidence is disingenuous.  This is what Dems do.

[4675636b596f75]

https://www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript#from_embed

Yeah, lots in there.

Some of you must be too inebriated to read.

[4675636b596f75]

Just now, Becker said:

-Admitted p***y grabber

And the problem with this, is what?

[Opl]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I believe the correction I provided to your statement makes it more accurate.

If Trump's and Zelensky's own words are no facts to you, what are they? 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Opl