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6 hours ago, wayned said:

If he is innocent why doesn't he turn over all of the documents requested?  Why doesn't he let everybody testify that congress has asked them to?  Why does he need any lawyers.

 

 

The House inquiry is  a "grand jury" investigation being held, as all grand jury investigations are behind closed doors.  The "target" does not have the right to be represented  and most of the time doesn't even know that there is an investigation.  If the grand jury, in this case the House committees, find that there is sufficient evidence to bring charges they will indict the "target", in this case the committees will recommend impeachment which will be ratified by a full House vote, the first, and only vote, that Pelosi must call.

 

The case will then go to the Senate for trail and at that time Trumpwill have the opportunity to question his accusers, his lawyers will, according to the rules of the Senate which will be set until it is referred to them.

 

Trump has now convinced his cohorts to disrupt the House hearings by storming the hearing room during the hearing.  They should all be arrested and hauedl off the the cross bar hotel as would happen to anybody that stormed a grand jury hearing.

 

Because Trump doesn't like what he is hearing and is being ignored by people that he told not to testify, he has now persuaded his minions to hold an illegal protest.  The GOP is not the Republican party any more, it is a Trump cult Jim Jones, Charlie Manson and now Donald Trump.

 

 

"Trump has now convinced his cohorts to disrupt the House hearings by storming the hearing room during the hearing.  They should all be arrested and hauedl off the the cross bar hotel as would happen to anybody that stormed a grand jury hearing."

 

I hadn't heard that one.  If true, it is a definite step towards fascism.

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13 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Everything I and many Trump critics quote on this forum are undeniable facts (you are more than welcome to check my posts) in an attempt to counter the numerous conspiracy theories, deflections and downright lies perpetrated by most Trump fans on ThaiVisa.

Seriously?

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14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"Trump has now convinced his cohorts to disrupt the House hearings by storming the hearing room during the hearing.  They should all be arrested and hauedl off the the cross bar hotel as would happen to anybody that stormed a grand jury hearing."

 

I hadn't heard that one.  If true, it is a definite step towards fascism.

Yes, true.

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14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"Trump has now convinced his cohorts to disrupt the House hearings by storming the hearing room during the hearing.  They should all be arrested and hauedl off the the cross bar hotel as would happen to anybody that stormed a grand jury hearing."

 

I hadn't heard that one.  If true, it is a definite step towards fascism.

Hep about 20 of them led by Matt Gautz, Trump's earpiece,stormed into the room at the beginning of the testimony  taking pictures with their cell phones and even ordered Pizza.  They stayed for about 5 hours and finally left so the testimony could begin.  It's actually even more pathetic as some of the congressmen protesting were actually on the committees that had a right to be there.  It's not like the Dems are conducting the interviews by themselves, all of the GOP congressmen on those committees are also there asking questions and I suspect that what transpires is communicated to the other GOP members right up to Trump.  They actually took their cell phones into the SCIF which is a security violation and all should be censored for there action and fined.  It is reported that Trump knew of their plans before they did it.

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17 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"Trump has now convinced his cohorts to disrupt the House hearings by storming the hearing room during the hearing.  They should all be arrested and hauedl off the the cross bar hotel as would happen to anybody that stormed a grand jury hearing."

 

I hadn't heard that one.  If true, it is a definite step towards fascism.

I read the CNN version. I didn't see anything to say that Trump had anything to do with them deciding to do it.

Seems to me the US political system is close to destruction because of the Dem's obsession with removing an elected POTUS by any means possible instead of doing their job and legislating for the benefit of all Americans.

Will we be seeing scenes in the congress like has happened in other countries where opposing members resort to fisticuffs?

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3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I read the CNN version. I didn't see anything to say that Trump had anything to do with them deciding to do it.

Seems to me the US political system is close to destruction because of the Dem's obsession with removing an elected POTUS by any means possible instead of doing their job and legislating for the benefit of all Americans.

Will we be seeing scenes in the congress like has happened in other countries where opposing members resort to fisticuffs?

Look at his tweets.

Congress is doing its job, unfortunately potus is refusing to obey the law.

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6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I read the CNN version. I didn't see anything to say that Trump had anything to do with them deciding to do it.

Seems to me the US political system is close to destruction because of the Dem's obsession with removing an elected POTUS by any means possible instead of doing their job and legislating for the benefit of all Americans.

Will we be seeing scenes in the congress like has happened in other countries where opposing members resort to fisticuffs?

I never said that Trump had anything to do with it, I said that Trump knew about it before they did it, also reported by CNN, and didn't do anything to stop it, he urged them on with his tweets.

 

It has nothing to do with the DEMs having an obsession with removing POTUS, but it has every thing to do with the Trumpian Cult that used to be the Republican Party.  All that we can do is hope that some of them finally wake up from their trance.

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Rudy seems to be putting the accidental boot in.   
 
The benefit to Trump is to clear his name, after all you guys keep telling us he is innocent of any impeachable activity.


The left will never allow his name to be cleared. It will just be one thing after another.

I’ve never said he was not guilty of any impeachable offense.
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18 minutes ago, wayned said:

I never said that Trump had anything to do with it, I said that Trump knew about it before they did it, also reported by CNN, and didn't do anything to stop it, he urged them on with his tweets.

 

 

You said

 

 

7 hours ago, wayned said:

Trump has now convinced his cohorts to disrupt the House hearings by storming the hearing room during the hearing.

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5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just do it, just do it. Stop waffling and just do it.

 

Who's waffling? This impeachment inquiry is moving at amazing speed. 

 

Sheesh, they spent what SIX years on Benghazi? Five years on Whitewater.

 

Waffles. Yum. Will savor every bite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Also a tactic used by leftists. The Bolsheviks were not fascist, were they?

No, and you are correct.  It is a tactic used to undermine the government.  Do you think Republican members of the House of Representatives should be attempting to undermine the US government?

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously?

Yes seriously. You are more than welcome to go back and look at any of my posts on this thread and if there is anything stated as fact that isn't fact, let me know and unlike a Trump supporter, I will correct myself and apologise.

This is an offer I have never seen from any Trump fan who continue to deflect, obfuscate, deny and oppose all notions of Trumps guilt, even as the evidence mounts and mounts.

You keep saying you are not a Trump fan but here you are defending him at every turn just simply because of your hatred for the Dems. For your information, they are not mutually exclusive; you can still hate the Dems whilst acknowledging that Trump is a crook, a fraudster and a con man, in a job that is WAY over his head. It would certainly add more to your credibility rather than this constant refusal to accept that yes, Trump absolutely tried to strong-arm the Ukraine into investigating a political opponent, which in turn breaks campaign finance laws, which in turn means he should be impeached, which in turn (won't happen but we can all wish) should see his removal from office.  
 

 

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2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Yes seriously. You are more than welcome to go back and look at any of my posts on this thread and if there is anything stated as fact that isn't fact, let me know and unlike a Trump supporter, I will correct myself and apologise.

This is an offer I have never seen from any Trump fan who continue to deflect, obfuscate, deny and oppose all notions of Trumps guilt, even as the evidence mounts and mounts.

You keep saying you are not a Trump fan but here you are defending him at every turn just simply because of your hatred for the Dems. For your information, they are not mutually exclusive; you can still hate the Dems whilst acknowledging that Trump is a crook, a fraudster and a con man, in a job that is WAY over his head. It would certainly add more to your credibility rather than this constant refusal to accept that yes, Trump absolutely tried to strong-arm the Ukraine into investigating a political opponent, which in turn breaks campaign finance laws, which in turn means he should be impeached, which in turn (won't happen but we can all wish) should see his removal from office.  
 

 

I have said in the past that Trump wasn't the best candidate, and if I support him it's his policies I support. I'm a socialist, so I don't support billionaires personally. I just don't like the way all his opponents are behaving, which is not in the best interests of the USA and the world.

He has done many things that are not good or in the best interests of people's not necessarily of the US, but given the posters on those threads I see no point in posting on them.

However, I don't think he is the worst president ever in my lifetime- that title goes to Bush the younger, and secondly to Nixon. Actually none since the 60s except Jack Kennedy have been much good at all, IMO. If Trump is a bad president, he's following a well worn path. I do like a lot of his policies though.

 

This is getting to be bickering, so no more from me on that subject.

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I have said in the past that Trump wasn't the best candidate, and if I support him it's his policies I support. I'm a socialist, so I don't support billionaires personally. I just don't like the way all his opponents are behaving, which is not in the best interests of the USA and the world.
He has done many things that are not good or in the best interests of people's not necessarily of the US, but given the posters on those threads I see no point in posting on them.
However, I don't think he is the worst president ever in my lifetime- that title goes to Bush the younger, and secondly to Nixon. Actually none since the 60s except Jack Kennedy have been much good at all, IMO. If Trump is a bad president, he's following a well worn path. I do like a lot of his policies though.
 
This is getting to be bickering, so no more from me on that subject.


It’s always the same with the left. If you don’t agree he is a criminal and should be run out of office, held up to ridicule and incarcerated, you worship him and believe he can do no wrong.

I do find it interesting that the left loves to point out labor disputes and fraud issues and whatnot from back when he was donating to democrats and was (apparently) routinely given a pass. I wonder why they didn’t prosecute him back then?

Just kidding, we all know why...

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5 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 


No, when leftists do it it’s democracy in action. When anyone they oppose does it (conservative or liberal) it’s fascism.

Storming a legitimate government function in order to disrupt government is a tactic employed by many groups attempting to overthrow the government.  Should Republican representatives, with the advance knowledge and approval of the President, be attempting to overthrow the US government?

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4 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 


It’s always the same with the left. If you don’t agree he is a criminal and should be run out of office, held up to ridicule and incarcerated, you worship him and believe he can do no wrong.

I do find it interesting that the left loves to point out labor disputes and fraud issues and whatnot from back when he was donating to democrats and was (apparently) routinely given a pass. I wonder why they didn’t prosecute him back then?

Just kidding, we all know why...
 

Do you also wonder why investigating the Biden's only became a priority for Trump after Joe Biden became the leading contender for the Democratic nomination?

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Do you also wonder why investigating the Biden's only became a priority for Trump after Joe Biden became the leading contender for the Democratic nomination?


I don’t know that it was a priority for him then, it didn’t sound like it was.

In any event, I thought he was a Russian agent, no?

The way I see it, with the argument the left is making, anything he asked anyone to do, could be considered campaign finance fraud.

If Biden is clean, what’s the big deal? It he’s not, should it not be brought to light?

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Storming a legitimate government function in order to disrupt government is a tactic employed by many groups attempting to overthrow the government.  Should Republican representatives, with the advance knowledge and approval of the President, be attempting to overthrow the US government?


So it’s your position they were trying to overthrow the government?

I think it could be that they think the whole thing if’s just another political stunt from the left, and they hope to expose it as such.

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1 hour ago, RideJocky said:

 


I don’t know that it was a priority for him then, it didn’t sound like it was.

In any event, I thought he was a Russian agent, no?

The way I see it, with the argument the left is making, anything he asked anyone to do, could be considered campaign finance fraud.

If Biden is clean, what’s the big deal? It he’s not, should it not be brought to light?
 

 

Naive much? Not only did Trump want an investigation, he wanted a public announcement of one. Why was that?

 

I should add, that I'm in no way questioning the sincerity of Trump's concern about corruption in Ukraine. I mean, to question that, you'd have to show that he wanted to cut funds meant to help Ukraine battle corruption...

"The Trump administration has tried multiple times to cut billions from foreign aid programs aimed at fighting corruption in Ukraine and other countriesdespite President Donald Trump's oft-repeated claim that fighting corruption in Ukraine is a top issue for his administration, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

The Post, citing White House budget documents, noted that the administration tried to cut a $30 million allocation to Ukraine for a program intended to support the country's anti-corruption bureau to $13 million, an attempt that was rejected by Congress. The paper said that in its 2020 budget request, which was released in March, the White House again suggested allocating $13 million to Ukraine for the program, but that "Congress seems likely to once again reject the proposed cut." The paper notes that lawmakers have yet to agree on a budget for this fiscal year."
 
 
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According to the Wall Street Journal editorial dept, Trump shouldn't subject to impeachment because he's too inept.

Wall Street Journal Says Trump Shouldn’t Be Impeached Because “He Was Too Inept to Execute” Ukraine Quid Pro Quo

"Yeah, sure, Donald Trump attempted to rob the gas station convenience store, but as the security camera footage clearly shows, he got distracted by the hot dog warmer and forgot the stolen cash at the condiment station. And, well yes, he did attempt to shoot the overnight cashier in the process but didn’t realize the glass was bulletproof. No harm no foul, your honor; please empty America’s prisons."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/wall-street-journal-editorial-trump-impeach-too-inept-ukraine-quid-pro-quo.html

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2 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 


I don’t know that it was a priority for him then, it didn’t sound like it was.

In any event, I thought he was a Russian agent, no?

The way I see it, with the argument the left is making, anything he asked anyone to do, could be considered campaign finance fraud.

If Biden is clean, what’s the big deal? It he’s not, should it not be brought to light?
 

 

In case Biden should really be investigated (for which crime?), why is it that Trump did not follow the official procedure? There is treaty of cooperation with Ukraine specifying how to do it. Why did he use a crooked way, instead of the legal way that was available?

https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text

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1 hour ago, RideJocky said:

If Biden is clean, what’s the big deal? It he’s not, should it not be brought to light?

Now there's a classic statement!  Replace Biden with Trump and answer the question.   He's ignoring the law by refusing to release his taxes, by not releasing documentation that has been subpeonaed, by refusing to let government employees testify in congress and on and on.  If he's clean, what's the big deal?  If he's not, should it not bee brought to light?  He's certainly acting like he's not by obstructing congress and allegedly bribing the Ukraines.  And not telling what he arranged with Turkey to throw the Kurds under the bus and put Russia, Iran and ISIS back in control of Northern Syria. IMHO I think that he thinks that he is host of the ultimate reality show instead of being POTUS>

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3 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 


So it’s your position they were trying to overthrow the government?

I think it could be that they think the whole thing if’s just another political stunt from the left, and they hope to expose it as such.
 

It is my position they adopted the tactics of those who attempt to overthrow the government.  These Representatives are probably too stupid to realize that, but mindless mobs are often influenced to act that way.

 

How is it you consider a bi-partisan investigation a stunt, while a disruptive mob crashing a secure meeting room is legitimate?

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