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Iran demands U.S. 'pay more' for a wider deal

By Parisa Hafezi and Michelle Nichols

 

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani addresses the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly at U.N. headquarters in New York City, New York, U.S., September 25, 2019. REUTERS/Carlo Allegri

 

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Iranian President Hassan Rouhani demanded on Wednesday that the United States "pay more" for any agreement that goes beyond the 2015 Iran nuclear deal that Washington abandoned.

 

Rouhani also rejected meeting U.S. President Donald Trump while the two are in New York this week for the annual United Nations General Assembly, but both U.S. and Iranian officials suggested they have some interest in a negotiation.

 

It remains unclear how one might happen given Tehran's demand that Washington first ease sanctions that have blighted its economy and the U.S. imposition of fresh penalties as part of its "maximum pressure" campaign.

 

"Our response to talks under pressure is 'No,'" Rouhani said in a speech to the General Assembly even as the United States tightened the vise by blacklisting Chinese firms for dealing in Iranian oil despite U.S. sanctions.

 

The U.S.-Iranian confrontation has ratcheted up since last year, when Trump withdrew from Iran's nuclear deal with major powers and reimposed sanctions that have crippled the Islamic republic's economy.

 

Trump wants to go beyond that deal to further curb Iran's nuclear programme, halt its ballistic missile work and end its support for proxy forces in the Middle East.

 

"If you wish more, if you require more, you should give and pay more," Rouhani said in his General Assembly address, without giving details.

 

In his own speech on Tuesday, Trump accused Iranian leaders of "bloodlust" and called on other nations to put pressure on Iran after Sept. 14 attacks on Saudi oil facilities that Washington blames on Tehran despite its denials.

 

The United States plans to increase its military presence in Saudi Arabia following the attacks.

 

Rouhani, however, said the Gulf region is "on the edge of collapse, as a single blunder can fuel a big fire," and vowed to respond "decisively and strongly" to any foreign violation of its security or territorial integrity.

 

Trump had said there was still a path to peace and Rouhani has left the door open to diplomacy, saying that if sanctions were lifted, Washington could join nuclear talks between Tehran and other powers.

 

"We want a peaceful resolution with the Islamic Republic of Iran," U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told reporters, saying it was up to Iran. "We hope we get the opportunity to negotiate with them."

 

The United States has also been reaching out to Iranian officials to discuss the fate of American nationals held in Iran, a U.S. State Department official said on Wednesday.

 

NO TRUMP-ROUHANI MEETING SEEN

Despite French and British leaders urging Rouhani to sit down with Trump, an Iranian official told Reuters there was no chance the U.S. and Iranian presidents would meet this week.

 

"The chances of a meeting are zero. They know what to do," the official said. The official said the United States should return to the 2015 deal, lift sanctions and end the maximum pressure campaign.

 

Under that deal, Iran limited its nuclear program in return for relief from economic sanctions that constricted its ability to trade with the world.

 

After abandoning the deal, Trump in May tightened sanctions on Iran in an effort to reduce its oil exports - its main source of foreign exchange and government revenues - to zero.

 

On Wednesday, the United States sanctioned five Chinese people and six entities it accused of knowingly transferring oil from Iran in violation of Washington's curbs on Tehran. The entities include two Cosco Shipping <601919.SS> subsidiaries but not the parent company itself.

 

“This is one of the largest sanctions actions the United States has taken against entities and individuals identified as transporting Iranian oil since our sanctions were re-imposed in November 2018,” Pompeo said in a statement on the move.

 

While it at first fully adhered to the deal despite Trump's withdrawal, Iran has gradually reduced its compliance and has threatened to block the Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf, through which an estimated one-fifth of the world’s oil passes.

 

The United States has blamed Iran for a series of actions since May - some of which Iran has denied - that have roiled oil markets, including attacks on half a dozen tankers, shooting down a U.S. drone and the Sept. 14 attacks on Aramco facilities.

 

The air strikes on the heartland of Saudi Arabia's oil industry damaged the world’s biggest petroleum-processing facility and knocked out more than 5% of global oil supply.

 

"This cannot go unanswered, there has to be consequences for Iran for what they did," Saudi Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Adel al-Jubeir said. He said Riyadh was consulting others and that its options included diplomatic and economic steps.

 

The United States, European powers and Saudi Arabia have blamed the attack on Iran, instead of the Yemeni Iran-aligned Houthi group, which claimed responsibility. Iran distanced itself from the attacks but said it was ready for "full-fledged" war.

 

In the penultimate sentence of his U.N. speech, Rouhani raised the possibility of talks.

 

"This is the message of the Iranian nation: Let's invest on hope towards a better future rather than in war and violence," he said. "Let’s return to justice; to peace; to law, commitment and promise and finally to the negotiating table."

 

(Reporting by Parisa Hafezi and Michelle Nichols; Additional reporting by John Irish, Arshad Mohammed and Humeyra Pamuk; Writing by Arshad Mohammed; editing by Grant McCool and Jonathan Oatis)

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-26

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[daoyai]

Translation ... Pay us protection money or we nuke Israel.

[Rimmer]

An inflammatory post has been removed, please always provide a bonfida link to support such claims in future.

[Benmart]

Peace. The alternative is chaos, death and destruction for all concerned.

[Srikcir]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

"We want a peaceful resolution with the Islamic Republic of Iran," U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told reporters, saying it was up to Iran. "We hope we get the opportunity to negotiate with them."

Then simply reinstate Iran-G8+1 nuclear peace deal.

Use that to leverage negotiations on Iran's long range (alleged nuclear) missile capability and support for militants in Yemen and Lebanon.

But the former solution doesn't get Trump the Nobel Peace medal and the latter will get mired down in Trump's aimless and confusing method of deal-making.

[off road pat]

6 hours ago, daoyai said:

Translation ... Pay us protection money or we nuke Israel.

Iran has no nukes !!! It would be world news if they did !!! on the other hand Israel has !!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

[jany123]

7 hours ago, daoyai said:

Translation ... Pay us protection money or we nuke Israel.

If that’s your best effort at translating... don’t give up your day job

Edited September 26, 2019 by jany123

[jany123]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

If you wish more, if you require more, you should give and pay more," Rouhani said in his General Assembly address, without giving details.

Sounds reasonable.... unfortunately this basic tenet of negotiating is beyond the ken of the dumbest dealmaker of our era

[daoyai]

1 hour ago, off road pat said:

Iran has no nukes !!! It would be world news if they did !!! on the other hand Israel has !!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

  Well that is what this is about.... they wanna get paid not to build them... and they have vowed to obliterate Israel, get it ? get the connection?

[BestB]

5 minutes ago, daoyai said:

  Well that is what this is about.... they wanna get paid not to build them... and they have vowed to obliterate Israel, get it ? get the connection?

You do understand obliterating israel also includes obliterating Syria, Jordan, Egypt , Palestinians just to name a few. Nukes are not limited to few km radius but will wipe out the entire region for a century 

[daoyai]

1 minute ago, BestB said:

You do understand obliterating israel also includes obliterating Syria, Jordan, Egypt , Palestinians just to name a few. Nukes are not limited to few km radius but will wipe out the entire region for a century 

you mean many Sunnis would die too?  Hmmmm...

[OneMoreFarang]

8 hours ago, daoyai said:

Translation ... Pay us protection money or we nuke Israel.

How exactly would Iran nuke Israel? Remember, they have no nukes and they have no enriched (enough) uranium.

[BestB]

Iran is doing what iran has always done . Blow lots of hot air and beat chest like King Kong , eventually they will settle down and come to some kind of agreement.

 

so far they have managed to push limits quite far with no recourse but it does not mean they will be able to keep getting away with it 

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, daoyai said:

you mean many Sunnis would die too?  Hmmmm...

 

And them Shia Iran supports in Lebanon and Syria. Never mind Islam's third holiest place becoming either dust or inaccessible.

 

Plus them facts - not having any nukes, or enough enriched uranium, nor a working warhead, not a proved coupling of such with means of delivery.

[metisdead]

Posts using trolling memes have been removed. 

[daoyai]

12 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

And them Shia Iran supports in Lebanon and Syria. Never mind Islam's third holiest place becoming either dust or inaccessible.

 

Plus them facts - not having any nukes, or enough enriched uranium, nor a working warhead, not a proved coupling of such with means of delivery.

So then the U.S. really doesn't need to give them anything if they are that weak... ok I can go with that, let the Isrealies take out their centrifuges and scientists ....?

[from the home of CC]

Just as they have just shown conventional weapons properly used can cause major hand wringing and world wide economic ripples. Nobody needs to nuke anything to get across their message, just the proper target. The Americans should back down, tax the Saudis for protection funds and make it right with Iran. The world is fortunate that the strike was limited for the Iranians have demonstrated with their accuracy they could of taken out a lot more than 5% of the oil, and no matter the American reserves, oil could be at 100 - 150 a bbl now. Is this blackmail? Yes it is but sometimes when you're dealing with the likes of Donald Trump you have to be as ruthless as your adversary.

[Yinn]

Hmmmm 

If I am Kim North Korea and Iran I would say to Trump

”ok, no more nuclear. Agree.

We not do if you not do”

 

the US have the most nuclear. They start it.

Only country to use nuclear bomb. 

Kill 250,000 +  woman, children, baby.

 

But so angry if other country have nuclear.

US think themself special so much.

Why?

[Morch]

18 minutes ago, daoyai said:

So then the U.S. really doesn't need to give them anything if they are that weak... ok I can go with that, let the Isrealies take out their centrifuges and scientists ....?

 

You can "go" with whatever contrived bit of nonsense you like. Still doesn't have much to do with the OP.

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Hmmmm 

If I am Kim North Korea and Iran I would say to Trump

”ok, no more nuclear. Agree.

We not do if you not do”

 

the US have the most nuclear. They start it.

Only country to use nuclear bomb. 

Kill 250,000 +  woman, children, baby.

 

But so angry if other country have nuclear.

US think themself special so much.

Why?

 

Why are you pretending it is only the USA that's against Iran having nuclear arms?

[stevenl]

29 minutes ago, daoyai said:

So then the U.S. really doesn't need to give them anything if they are that weak... ok I can go with that, let the Isrealies take out their centrifuges and scientists ....?

Agree with your first line. USA should not be involved there, and just walk away.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Agree with your first line. USA should not be involved there, and just walk away.

 

And that would make everything better....

Right.

[BestB]

31 minutes ago, daoyai said:

So then the U.S. really doesn't need to give them anything if they are that weak... ok I can go with that, let the Isrealies take out their centrifuges and scientists ....?

To be fair, if Iran was to have nukes and was able to deliver it, US would be in far greater danger than israel. 

 

Israel is in Iran’s backyard sort of speak . US on another continent, no immidiate danger to Iran what so ever in terms of after the nuke effects not in terms retaliation. 

[off road pat]

1 hour ago, daoyai said:

  Well that is what this is about.... they wanna get paid not to build them... and they have vowed to obliterate Israel, get it ? get the connection?

I know what the international press published. But they are always following agendas.

Israel has said the same things Torworth Iran...

https://electronicintifada.net/content/why-israel-wants-iran-destroyed/27531

https://www.jta.org/2019/09/04/israel/israel-came-really-close-to-attacking-iran-and-4-other-takeaways-from-the-new-york-times-expose

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-official-if-us-attacks-israel-will-be-destroyed-in-half-an-hour/

[candide]

9 hours ago, daoyai said:

Translation ... Pay us protection money or we nuke Israel.

Why would they nuke Israel?

Firstly, they would be nuked too. Unlike drones, ballistic missiles don't get unoticed. As soon as they would launch them, Israel would launch its missiles and jets. In case Israel would be able to intercept missiles (which may be likely), they could even be the only one to get nuked)

Secondly, the existence of Israel is very useful to them. It is a major propaganda target both inside and outside Iran and very useful to get support.

Thirdly, as noticed by other posters, they are far from having this capability.

[sherwood]

18 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Hmmmm 

If I am Kim North Korea and Iran I would say to Trump

”ok, no more nuclear. Agree.

We not do if you not do”

 

the US have the most nuclear. They start it.

Only country to use nuclear bomb. 

Kill 250,000 +  woman, children, baby.

 

But so angry if other country have nuclear.

US think themself special so much.

Why?

Are you for real or just too young and naive to understand why the USA used the bomb to stop a stupid war.

This is the only instance I will ever stand in defence of America. I would not like to see nuclear war but many Nations have nuclear bombs.

 

[chilli42]

Are the Saudi’s going to do anything about this?  No, they will wait for others to do their fighting for them.  

[jany123]

4 hours ago, chilli42 said:

Are the Saudi’s going to do anything about this?  No, they will wait for others to do their fighting for them.  

Which is smart thinking, isn’t it? Get someone else to do the dying... there must be a country stupid enough to be able to be called upon to donate some cannon fodder.

Edited September 26, 2019 by jany123

[Selatan]

8 hours ago, Yinn said:

But so angry if other country have nuclear.

US think themself special so much.

Why?

They would be angry if an enemy had managed to make its own nuclear weapons because the enemy can then laugh at any threat made by the US.

[Chazar]

8 hours ago, Yinn said:

Hmmmm 

If I am Kim North Korea and Iran I would say to Trump

”ok, no more nuclear. Agree.

We not do if you not do”

 

the US have the most nuclear. They start it.

Only country to use nuclear bomb. 

Kill 250,000 +  woman, children, baby.

 

But so angry if other country have nuclear.

US think themself special so much.

Why?

Hows  your Japanese language  skills, they could  have been  much better without those  bombs.