Has the sexpat scene totally destroyed the dating scene for 20s-30s farang? (Younger guys not getting any love in Thailand due to negative association)

[donnacha]

7 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

My opinion is that younger people from the West want to live a life different than Mom and Dad who were a slave to Mortgages, Children, and 9-5 jobs their whole life

Sadly, many are unlikely to ever have the opportunity to even have a mortgage, as the economic system has screwed most of them out of the chance of secure, well-paid jobs while simultaneously ballooning property prices.

That is why there has been this sudden explosion of interest in Socialism, rehabilitated in this generation under the guide of environmentalism. If the world is ending in 2030 anyway, why bother pursuing a career, why bother owning a house?

Predictably enough, the rich are still making long term plans and ensuring their children understand that they will, in fact, still be alive at the end of the century, and should grab every opportunity they can while the idiotic poor fritter away all of theirs.

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by donnacha

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Sadly, many are unlikely to ever have the opportunity to even have a mortgage, as the economic system has screwed most of them out of the chance of secure, well-paid jobs while simultaneously ballooning property prices.

That is why there has been this sudden explosion of interest in Socialism, rehabilitated in this generation under the guide of environmentalism. If the world is ending in 2030 anyway, why bother pursuing a career, why bother owning a house?

Predictably enough, the rich are still making long term plans and ensuring their children understand that they will, in fact, still be alive at the end of the century, and should grab every opportunity they can while the idiotic poor fritter away all of theirs.

 

The "living wage" is becoming a popular topic of conversation, and will become the only means of survival for many as robotics destroys real jobs. However, it won't be enough to buy a house, so most will end up in a subsistence life, most of income being for rent and food. I'm already in that situation with rents exceeding the pension.

Even casual jobs at fast food places will be automated. 

 

Seriously, I pity the children being born now. The world I grew up in, when a job and a home were not even doubted is well on the way to extinction.

[thaibeachlovers]

22 minutes ago, donnacha said:

The post you were responding to was by @Thomas BKK who was responding to your alarming theory that Thai women will not risk having sex with a farang because losing their virginity would affect their family's chances of scoring a big Sin Sod payment. He stated that, in 2019, most Thai girls do not care about Sin Sod.

What you then asked was:

 

So, as you brought farangs into it, suggesting that Sin Sod was still a big factor because farangs are paying it, I explained that it really is not a thing any more. Only a few lovestruck dopes get scammed, the kind of guy who is too lazy or clueless to spend any time at all researching online.

 

I think you will find that traditional Thais still pay sin sod. As to whether they still require a virgin I don't know, but I'm pretty sure a promiscuous woman is going to have her payment reduced, and having lived with a farang would certainly affect things.

[donnacha]

32 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and often that hunch turns out to be wrong.

As I have said, women in every culture have to kiss a lot of frogs before they find a prince. It is, however, the only game in town, they have to keep trying, and why not try different types of guy, even different races and nationalities?
 

 

32 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The available pool of farang males willing and able to take on a Thai woman is mainly over 50, as only those under 50 that comply with the work rules gets to live in LOS. I very much doubt a normal Thai woman under 30 has any interest in an old farang, unless it's monetarily.

Actually, not true these days. You will be aware that a large number of people now date online. Many Western guys who, in previous generations, would never have considered traveling to Columbia or Thailand or Romania etc are now far more aware that those pools of women are open to them and that their value, as an American or a German or whatever, will be far higher in those countries.

So, whereas most mixed marriages in Thailand before the Internet involved divorced, older guys hoping to heal their wounds with a simple, beautiful, village girl (that was the dream anyway!), you now have a far bigger demographic of younger guys who have not yet been married, or might have been married briefly but did not get to the point of raising a family. Those guys spend a lot of time online, they are often not comfortable with meeting women in the usual ways, or feel that they are unable to offer anything that will make a Western woman happy (because it is essentially a trick question anyway).

So, what I am seeing is a significant increase in the number of guys in their 30s and 40s, and those guys are generally not rotating through the fleshpots of Pattaya and Bangkok, they usually arrive with a particular girl in mind.

As for girls under 30 not being interested in guys in their 50s, would I be correct in guessing that you yourself are in your mid-30s? The same idea was floated by younger guys in this thread yesterday, that Thai girls are not interested in older guys.

My response is that a Thai girl will absolutely tell a younger guy that - "I no like old man, no good" - as a highly effective form of flattery to you, but she will then the next guy "I no like young man, talk idiot too mutt!" to flatter him.

Most Thai women just go with the flow and are extremely broad in what type of guy they will accept, as long as she feels the guy will be sweet towards her. If you saw a long line of your girl's previous boyfriends you would be utterly confused and horrified, but they were all real to her heart at some point.

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by donnacha

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, donnacha said:

would I be correct in guessing that you yourself are in your mid-30s?

I wish. Try a few decades more.

My 30s were ruined by thinking a western woman with 2 kids was a good catch.

Of course she just wanted a baby sitter and someone to share the costs of the kids while she got on with her career.

Never made that mistake again.

I discovered Thailand and Nana Plaza in my 50s so that was a great time of my life. Then I went a ruined it by getting married.

My wife did not have any living children, though I did make the mistake of thinking she was telling the truth. I now think everything she said was a lie.

[donnacha]

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The "living wage" is becoming a popular topic of conversation, and will become the only means of survival for many as robotics destroys real jobs.

I presume you mean the Universal Basic Income, yes, I agree.

We are entering a two-tier world, and the most significant threat to jobs will actually be A.I. rather than robotics. A lot of people who think that their jobs are too analytical or creative to be automated are in for a big surprise over the next decade or so.
 

 

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

However, it won't be enough to buy a house, so most will end up in a subsistence life, most of income being for rent and food.

Yes, that is why so much money is being put behind the current climate hysteria. They need to persuade the masses to let them place even more taxes on things such as international travel, owning a car, eating meat etc.

You will end up with the mass of people receiving enough money to live a "normal" life, but that will mostly consist of staying at home all day watching Netflix or playing video games, and eating artificial meats. There will be no actual law saying they can't eat real meat, but it will simply be too much of their weekly free money to realistically consider.

Meanwhile, those with jobs or capital will continue to travel, and eat real meat, and do all the other good stuff. They will, of course, also have a far wider choice of sexual partners.

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by donnacha

[donnacha]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I now think everything she said was a lie.

Wow, so much hard-won truth in that post.

You consider writing a book. Younger guys are not being told just how precisely the system is geared to screw men.

It is like a modern abattoir, where they used advanced machines to strip and rip every last speck of protein off the carcass, even down to splitting the spine and extracting the marrow.

That is what I think of every time I hear about divorce lawyers in the US, or Family Courts in the UK.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

29 minutes ago, donnacha said:

the most significant threat to jobs will actually be A.I. rather than robotics.

I normally say AI/ robotics. I just forgot that time.

 

Even film stars will be superseded by AI. Many films are more CG than real- done on green screen.

Lost of films with realistic GC actors and only the voices by humans. Won't be hard to develop realistic computer generated voices.

Indeed, almost everything humans can do will be replicated by machines. 

Hope they invent a companion android for me in my really old age. Better than sitting in front of day time tv all day.

 

Was The Terminator just science fiction, or science prediction?

[thaibeachlovers]

29 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Wow, so much hard-won truth in that post.

You consider writing a book. Younger guys are not being told just how precisely the system is geared to screw men.

It is like a modern abattoir, where they used advanced machines to strip and rip every last speck of protein off the carcass, even down to splitting the spine and extracting the marrow.

That is what I think of every time I hear about divorce lawyers in the US, or Family Courts in the UK.

 

 

I could write a book about it, but women would make a fuss and it would be banned as "<deleted> speech".

[donnacha]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Even film stars will be superseded by AI. Many films are more CG than real- done on green screen.

Yeah. I think you'll see it happening in pop music first, with studios entirely owning virtual stars who sound and look real.

Then books. After Stephen King dies, his family will continue to release an A.I.-scribed "Stephen King" book every year. Some written will start having A.I. write part of their books, perfectly in their style, before decided to just let them go completely on auto-pilot.
 

 

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I could write a book about it, but women would make a fuss and it would be banned as "<deleted> speech".

 
Then you'll become a hero of the resistance, go for it!

I figure there will be a worldwide collapse in the rule of women as soon as the first half-plausible sex robots start hitting the market. The music studios will also license their virtual stars to the sexbot manufacturers, giving us a whole new way to enjoy music.

My whole life would probably be considered hate speech by US college students ????

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by donnacha

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

I think this is where many young men of the 21st century differ from those of us over 50 or 60. 

IMO it's because us old guys grew up before the pill when good girls didn't and if they did and got pregnant we had to marry them.

No abortions.

Seems to me that nowadays it's all on and easy to get, but only by comparable ages. No western 20 year old girl is going to bonk an over 40 year old man unless he's a sports star or amazingly rich.

I once talked to a uni student about Antarctica and he said he'd never go there as there was no chance of a <deleted>, which implied he was never short of a bed partner.

 

Ready availability makes for more confidence, whereas we oldies never knew if we were going to get lucky, without a wedding ring being involved.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, donnacha said:

Yeah. I think you'll see it happening in pop music first, with studios entirely owning virtual stars who sound and look real.

Even better, "Real" holographic bands. Be able to see all those great bands and singers from our youth. Imagine seeing Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin perform!

 

4 minutes ago, donnacha said:

I figure there will be a worldwide collapse in the rule of women as soon as the first half-plausible sex robots start hitting the market.

Bring it on!

 

5 minutes ago, donnacha said:

My whole life would probably be considered hate speech by US college students

You are my hero.

[donnacha]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems to me that nowadays it's all on and easy to get, but only by comparable ages. No western 20 year old girl is going to bonk an over 40 year old man unless he's a sports star or amazingly rich.

That seems to be missing just how much the supply has increased.

There may be more 20 year old women saying that they won't sleep with a guy over 40 (and, seriously, are we now saying that 40 is old?!), but the reality is that, if ten times more women are being promiscuous, there are a lot more opportunities for everyone. I would also guess that a significant portion of women would quite enjoy older guys no matter what they may claim on their profiles - more women than ever now have "daddie issues".

Also, never forget, the Internet makes it waaaaay more possible for people to discreetly pursue their fetishes. Married men can hook up with transvestites (or even be transvestites) without their wives ever knowing. A girl who likes really obese men can screw as many as she wants without ever being embarrassed in front of her friends about it. Young men can connect with horny cougars. Men who like younger girls can safely connect with them ... the same girl who might ignore an older guy in a club might be entirely open to just turning up at a hotel. Humans have strange and varied tastes, and the Internet is opening doors like never before.

 

[RoadWarrior371]

Game.  You have none.  Get some.  ????

[luk AJ]

Just keep looking. I’m 41 and I found my 25 year old, working, non-bargirl after many years of searching. 
Tak is perfect. She worked in a law form when I met her and she’s now a manager at a wholesale company. Never worked in a bar, 1 boyfriend previous to me, doesn’t drink or smoke and I can’t shut her up. She’s one of the most loving and caring girls I’ve ever had the pleasure to meet. So much so I’m going to tie the knot with her soon.
 
You’ll Matt a huge amount of girls bar and non, that I’ll expect money, it just comes with the territory. 
Hou say you have trouble talking to them, do you speak any Thai at all?
 
Anyway don’t have too many expectations and be patient, it took 6 years for me 
 
Good luck!

You found a pearl i a vast ocean. No wonder it took you 6 years! Wish you all the best.
I hope your love is more true than your avatar!


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[pookondee]

5 hours ago, donnacha said:

That seems to be missing just how much the supply has increased.

There may be more 20 year old women saying that they won't sleep with a guy over 40 (and, seriously, are we now saying that 40 is old?!), but the reality is that, if ten times more women are being promiscuous, there are a lot more opportunities for everyone. I would also guess that a significant portion of women would quite enjoy older guys no matter what they may claim on their profiles - more women than ever now have "daddie issues".

Also, never forget, the Internet makes it waaaaay more possible for people to discreetly pursue their fetishes. Married men can hook up with transvestites (or even be transvestites) without their wives ever knowing. A girl who likes really obese men can screw as many as she wants without ever being embarrassed in front of her friends about it. Young men can connect with horny cougars. Men who like younger girls can safely connect with them ... the same girl who might ignore an older guy in a club might be entirely open to just turning up at a hotel. Humans have strange and varied tastes, and the Internet is opening doors like never before.

 

If there's one thing the internet has actually done,

its given the young guy newbies a dose of reality

that Thai women dont really want em' for their good looks, charm, big willy etc etc.

lol

[BritManToo]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No western 20 year old girl is going to bonk an over 40 year old man unless he's a sports star or amazingly rich.

Banged a 23 year old in the UK when I was being divorced at age 52.

No money involved, apart from the occasional half pint of 'Rattler'.

My son didn't like it, said it was wrong for me to be sleeping with a girl that was in his class in high school.

[uhuh]

9 hours ago, donnacha said:

 

Most Westerners are not here to give money to hookers, although some may occasionally dabble. They are primarily here because the quality of regular, normal, non-hooker women 

and, of course,  because of the beautiful temples ????

[MadMuhammad]

9 hours ago, luk AJ said:

You found a pearl i a vast ocean. No wonder it took you 6 years! Wish you all the best.
I hope your love is more true than your avatar!


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Yeah thanks. It took a lot of time and patience, a loooooooot of patience lol

 

My avatar is legit ????

[MadMuhammad]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Banged a 23 year old in the UK when I was being divorced at age 52.

No money involved, apart from the occasional half pint of 'Rattler'.

My son didn't like it, said it was wrong for me to be sleeping with a girl that was in his class in high school.

My dad's married to woman 1 year younger than me that was a year level below me at school. When I found I high fived him and bought him a beer. They've now got 2 kids and have been together for over 15 years. 

If only I can be doing that well at his age 555

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, donnacha said:

That seems to be missing just how much the supply has increased.

There may be more 20 year old women saying that they won't sleep with a guy over 40 (and, seriously, are we now saying that 40 is old?!), but the reality is that, if ten times more women are being promiscuous, there are a lot more opportunities for everyone. I would also guess that a significant portion of women would quite enjoy older guys no matter what they may claim on their profiles - more women than ever now have "daddie issues".

Also, never forget, the Internet makes it waaaaay more possible for people to discreetly pursue their fetishes. Married men can hook up with transvestites (or even be transvestites) without their wives ever knowing. A girl who likes really obese men can screw as many as she wants without ever being embarrassed in front of her friends about it. Young men can connect with horny cougars. Men who like younger girls can safely connect with them ... the same girl who might ignore an older guy in a club might be entirely open to just turning up at a hotel. Humans have strange and varied tastes, and the Internet is opening doors like never before.

 

I may have had a lot of one night stands, but I was always looking for miss right. I'm pretty sure that a 20 year old woman would not be bringing a 40 year old man home to mother and father in a western country, so even if it were possible, I wouldn't have gone that route back home. 

In Thailand it's not unusual for a 20 year old Thai girl to bring a 40, 50 or even 60 year old man home to the parents, depending if she was a BG or not.

I love LOS.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Banged a 23 year old in the UK when I was being divorced at age 52.

No money involved, apart from the occasional half pint of 'Rattler'.

My son didn't like it, said it was wrong for me to be sleeping with a girl that was in his class in high school.

That's what he said, but what he really thought was that he wanted to bonk her and was PO that you had got there first:-)

[metempsychotic]

On 10/11/2019 at 12:42 AM, donnacha said:

No, that is the best parallel precisely because it is so extreme. If the natural attraction between men and women is so strong that it overcomes even being a hated occupier, I think the OP has a pretty good chance of making a connection with a Thai woman if he just relaxes and plays it smart.

Yeah, suspect you are missing a few nuances there. 

 

The word blithe springs to mind. 

[donnacha]

22 hours ago, metempsychotic said:

The word blithe springs to mind. 

Perhaps, if your mind is going to start springing words, you might ask it to supply some that make a little more sense in this context, or even just to make your thinking a little sharper in general if you are to attempt the tricky stunt of expanding the frontiers of virtue signaling. 

Perhaps your brain, more fully-engaged, could help you to pick a better target than someone referring to a historical phenomenon that happened thousands of times and is widely documented: French women falling for the charms of the occupying German forces. There might be some sense to your objection if I had referred to, say, Jewish women sleeping with concentration camp guards. Perhaps you were confused and thought that was what I meant - people often get their history confused - but you really should read posts properly and think twice before responding publicly if you find it difficult to process basic facts.

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by donnacha

[marko kok prong]

Simple Dude,your too young to have the money they want unless your extremly rich,and if you where you would be picking up tasty european chicks,don't forget for most of them it ain't how you look,is the size of your wallet.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, donnacha said:

French women falling for the charms of the occupying German forces.

Sure about that?

IMO it was more that having a relationship with a German offered benefits that not being in a relationship did not. Of course that ended when the Germans were defeated and they were beaten and had their hair cut off.

More about the benefits than Germanic good looks.

Which is exactly the same as young Thai women going with ugly fat old farangs- it's all about the benefits.

[donnacha]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sure about that?

Yes. We have ample examples - in literature, family histories, and contemporary reporting - of men and women on both sides who legitimately fell in love during this and every other occupation during recorded history.

Yes, every civilization has hookers, but not all French women were hookers anymore than all Thai women are hookers today. Yes, the sex industry will always exist, but even in Thailand that activity is dwarfed by regular, loving relationships between men and women. It is what humans do. I would bet that, even on this forum, the vast majority of members are in a regular, long-term relationship and, regardless of how they may have dabbled in bars during their first few years in Thailand, have little interest in the prostitution scene now. You might feel that way yourself one day.
 

 

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Which is exactly the same as young Thai women going with ugly fat old farangs- it's all about the benefits.

We never know as much as we presume we do about the lives of other people.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/16/2019 at 7:40 PM, donnacha said:

Yes. We have ample examples - in literature, family histories, and contemporary reporting - of men and women on both sides who legitimately fell in love during this and every other occupation during recorded history.

Yes, every civilization has hookers, but not all French women were hookers anymore than all Thai women are hookers today. Yes, the sex industry will always exist, but even in Thailand that activity is dwarfed by regular, loving relationships between men and women. It is what humans do. I would bet that, even on this forum, the vast majority of members are in a regular, long-term relationship and, regardless of how they may have dabbled in bars during their first few years in Thailand, have little interest in the prostitution scene now. You might feel that way yourself one day.
 

 

We never know as much as we presume we do about the lives of other people.

Family histories? Right, the families will really want to tell everyone that granny was a whore that slept with the enemy so she could have a good time while her country men and women suffered.

A good French woman would never have stooped so low.

 

regular, loving relationships between men and women.

Sorry I haven't noticed many of those among people I know. The odd exception of course, but there is always an exception.

Everyone I know, bar a few, are divorced, and some that are still together shouldn't be. It's probably just for the sake of the kids.

 

regardless of how they may have dabbled in bars during their first few years in Thailand, have little interest in the prostitution scene now. You might feel that way yourself one day.
Do tell?

I give you your own quote

We never know as much as we presume we do about the lives of other people.

[donnacha]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

A good French woman would never have stooped so low.

Okay.

I enjoy a good argument as much as anyone, but there are times when one must shake one's head and recognize that the other person's perception of reality is unmoored to anything that most humans would recognize as facts or commonly-held understandings.

I wish you good luck but there is really very little point in wasting your time or mine on further discussions on any subject, the gap in logic and education is simply insurmountable.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Okay.

I enjoy a good argument as much as anyone, but there are times when one must shake one's head and recognize that the other person's perception of reality is unmoored to anything that most humans would recognize as facts or commonly-held understandings.

I wish you good luck but there is really very little point in wasting your time or mine on further discussions on any subject, the gap in logic and education is simply insurmountable.

 

I'm sorry that you feel your logic and education is lacking.

It's been real, but

May the road rise to meet you
May the wind be always at your back
May the sun shine warm upon your face
The rains fall soft upon your fields
May the sun make your days bright
May the stars illuminate your nights
May the flowers bloom along your path
Your house stand firm against the storm