A bridge to far: retirement hoops to jump through

[holy cow cm]

13 minutes ago, sfokevin said:

There is no reason to pit the OAs against the Non-O crowd...

 

We are both in their crosshairs... They started with the OA holders as this visa is issued to relative newcomers to Thailand that are younger and can get cheaper insurance - The authorities can more easily push the insurance on them... claim success train up people then expand the program to the larger, older and established Non O group saying it is simple  See how the OA group accepted...

 

But make no mistake we are in the same boat...

 

Text from the April Cabinet Meeting...

 

Precisely. And now tell me the the OA should have not saw this coming but now are crying because they did not move accordingly to logic.  The current now dates for flipping to a NON OA from a Non O are going to show proof of making everyone do the dance of insurance. If prior, then maybe not? What is so hard? So I can only expect now that these OA jumpers to NON O are going to make the government make it mandatory for all. So, I am good for 1 more year on a NON O now for 1 year, but I will get insurance in next 5 - 8 months because I can foresee because all of the after jumpers making it compulsive for everyone. Looks on paper like and EXODUS. 

Edited November 8, 2019 by holy cow cm

[Bangkok Barry]

9 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

They only want millionaire type retirees.. The squeeze disproportionally effects those who have to watch tier budget.. 

 

Its those 'quality' tourists they have been wet dreaming about for decades. 

 

They might want millionaires, but millionaires would not settle in Thailand because of countless reasons regarding infrastructure, road safety, law enforcement and so on. Thailand is a third class country wanting to attract first class people, with citizens and officials believing that Thailand is the best country in the world that everyone would jump at the chance to live in. They are wrong. On the list of desirable places to live for people of means, it is probably as low down the list as Thai's proficiency in English - 74th out of 100.

[john terry1001]

2 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Precisely. And now tell me the the OA should have not saw this coming but now are crying because they did not move accordingly to logic.  The current now dates for flipping to a NON OA from a Non O are going to show proof of making everyone do the dance of insurance. If prior, then maybe not? What is so hard? So I can only expect now that these OA jumpers to NON O are going to make the government make it mandatory for all. So, I am good for 1 more year on a NON O now for 1 year, but I will get insurance in next 5 - 8 months because I can foresee because all of the after jumpers making it compulsive for everyone. Looks on paper like and EXODUS. 

How wre these people going to change from an O-A to a non O? Where will they get the non O from?

 

[emptypockets]

3 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Precisely. And now tell me the the OA should have not saw this coming but now are crying because they did not move accordingly to logic.  The current now dates for flipping to a NON OA from a Non O are going to show proof of making everyone do the dance of insurance. If prior, then maybe not? What is so hard? So I can only expect now that these OA jumpers to NON O are going to make the government make it mandatory for all. So, I am good for 1 more year on a NON O now for 1 year, but I will get insurance in next 5 - 8 months because I can foresee because all of the after jumpers making it compulsive for everyone. Looks on paper like and EXODUS. 

I have no idea of the number of people on OA visas planning to 'jump' but I would imagine it be a fairly insignificant number in the overall picture. If they stick their 800k in the bank I can't see immigration making a big fuss about it.  I said in a different thread that if immigration planned to make everyone have compulsory insurance it would have been announced concurrently with the OA insurance requirement. If the anti farang feeling (and I don't subscribe to that particular fantasy) is as bad a some people like to think, and apparently promote, then it would have already happened.

Not interested in an argument about this, just stating my opinion. Yours may differ.

[GeorgeCross]

15 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

They might want millionaires, but millionaires would not settle in Thailand because of countless reasons regarding infrastructure, road safety, law enforcement and so on. Thailand is a third class country wanting to attract first class people, with citizens and officials believing that Thailand is the best country in the world that everyone would jump at the chance to live in. They are wrong. On the list of desirable places to live for people of means, it is probably as low down the list as Thai's proficiency in English - 74th out of 100.

 

the millionaires i know are heading or thinking of heading back to the developed world to cash in their currency gains.

 

a case of so long and thanx for all the free tax ???? 

 

of course they may keep a holiday home, or two lol, but thats it forget the investments

 

Edited November 8, 2019 by GeorgeCross

[holy cow cm]

6 minutes ago, john terry1001 said:

How wre these people going to change from an O-A to a non O? Where will they get the non O from?

 

Just the sheer trying NOW to change will red flag the system like an exodus of OMG. I really hope they, the government re-evaluate the consequences, but they are very unresponsive as you are talking the Elite and well to do xenophobes who I do not care ones as they don't worry about anything. Fact is, they do not care about any of us. Again, I will be ok for the mid long distant to long time as I have plans already in the making to stay and have money, but hey don't care about anyone else. Even me if one hoop I cannot jump through. I just do not want to spend undeserved money to them. But if I do then so what. I am fine, but I do not want to feed their voracious system.

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, emptypockets said:

I have no idea of the number of people on OA visas planning to 'jump' but I would imagine it be a fairly insignificant number in the overall picture. If they stick their 800k in the bank I can't see immigration making a big fuss about it.  I said in a different thread that if immigration planned to make everyone have compulsory insurance it would have been announced concurrently with the OA insurance requirement. If the anti farang feeling (and I don't subscribe to that particular fantasy) is as bad a some people like to think, and apparently promote, then it would have already happened.

Not interested in an argument about this, just stating my opinion. Yours may differ.

The reason they don't do for both at once is I think to divide the " testing probe " , and after they can see if it works as thought .Also for the non"O"...they are a bit contradicting the reason for keeping 5 months 800K and 7 month's 400K blocked from the non "O" ,, or maybe dividing " the cake to eat " between insurance company's and Thai banks ...????

[holy cow cm]

10 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

I have no idea of the number of people on OA visas planning to 'jump' but I would imagine it be a fairly insignificant number in the overall picture. If they stick their 800k in the bank I can't see immigration making a big fuss about it.  I said in a different thread that if immigration planned to make everyone have compulsory insurance it would have been announced concurrently with the OA insurance requirement. If the anti farang feeling (and I don't subscribe to that particular fantasy) is as bad a some people like to think, and apparently promote, then it would have already happened.

Not interested in an argument about this, just stating my opinion. Yours may differ.

Even my wife sees the anti Caucasian expat even to being normal long term Asian Expat assault. 3rd - 4th class workers have a better existence than us. She sees it as if you can pay and do it even by brown packaging then you will be ok. This entails the insurance guys too. I also agree. I have no problem giving a say... bonus to anyone who can help me stay here. 

[holy cow cm]

45 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

They don't. They have absolutely no interest in foreigners, or Thai family that are affected. The government officials who dream up these draconian rules don't know them, and what happens to those affected doesn't affect them personally so they don't care. Outside their comfort bubble.

It is not about them. They don't have consciences as it is a directive from the A holes from above. No box to think out of. Sorry.  

[emptypockets]

18 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Even my wife sees the anti Caucasian expat even to being normal long term Asian Expat assault. 3rd - 4th class workers have a better existence than us. She sees it as if you can pay and do it even by brown packaging then you will be ok. This entails the insurance guys too. I also agree. I have no problem giving a say... bonus to anyone who can help me stay here. 

I've read your post three times and can't make head nor tail about what you are trying to say.

Its getting late and I've had a few Singhas, maybe it is just me.

Edited November 8, 2019 by emptypockets

[holy cow cm]

43 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

They might want millionaires, but millionaires would not settle in Thailand because of countless reasons regarding infrastructure, road safety, law enforcement and so on. Thailand is a third class country wanting to attract first class people, with citizens and officials believing that Thailand is the best country in the world that everyone would jump at the chance to live in. They are wrong. On the list of desirable places to live for people of means, it is probably as low down the list as Thai's proficiency in English - 74th out of 100.

Get real. Millionaires will just spend the money. 

[holy cow cm]

3 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

I've read your post three times and can't make head nor tail about what you are trying to say.

So where do you lay? Non O or Non OA?

 

[Matzzon]

8 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Matzzon. I will say I do not agree with the majority of your posts and are in essence ill informed and harsh. But I do give you the benefit of the doubt most time and ignore them.  

So, that was your off topic reply, because you could not fight the fact he do not need to go the way where he needs a mandatory insurance.

[grifbel]

20 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The direction this visa process is headed should run up a red flag for anyone whose commonsense is still more important in making lifs's decisions than a Thai female's honey-spot...

 

Or, hang around and see what other asinine visa schemes they can come up with to rid the country of Western influence...

 

It has become more than just visas...there is a cultural shift going on that is going to make living in Thailand uncomfortable for white ex-pats...IMHO...????

OK boomer....

[ubonjoe]

This unneeded and inflammatory topic has run its course. 

Topic now