Democrats release new batch of testimony from Trump impeachment inquiry

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Does anybody check if anybody out there changes his or her mind about Trump?

 

I'll change my mind as soon as someone gives me the same drugs that they're taking.

 

But then there are those people who ignore any evidence.

 

I've posted lots of evidence but it's all ignored by the left.  The problem is that the left only accepts the evidence they want.  Not only that, but they conflate evidence with established fact.  And then accuse people who refuse to do the same of ignoring evidence, erm, established fact.

You haven't posted any 'evidence'. All you post is whataboutism, deflections and debunked conspiracy theories. Your whole argument is that Trump had every right to ask the Ukraine about the Bidens and many, many people have tried to educate you (myself included) that no, that is a breach of campaign finance laws. We have seen sworn testimony from many people to include this article about Laura Cooper, deputy assistant secretary of defense testifying that "All of the senior leaders of the U.S. national security departments and agencies were all unified in their view that this assistance was essential," but also;-

 

Fiona Hill, former Russia expert for the National Security Council  Described a July 10 White House meeting with Ukrainian officials in which Gordon Sondland pressured Ukraine for a political investigation and insisted Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney had agreed to the plan. Following the meeting, Hill said John Bolton, the president’s national security adviser, told her to tell the president’s legal adviser “that I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up.”

 

Michael McKinley, former senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said he was disturbed by a push to use U.S. diplomatic missions "to procure negative political information for domestic purposes," as well as a "failure" at the State Department to support the American diplomatic corps.

 

Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union in a dramatic u-turn testified that he personally delivered the message on Sept. 1 to a top Ukrainian official that U.S. military aid was contingent upon the country’s ability to launch an investigation that Trump wanted after he “refreshed” his recollection.

 

Bill Taylor, U.S. charge d’affaires for Ukraine told Congress that "it was becoming clear" to him that a meeting between Trump and the Ukrainian President "was contingent upon the investigation of Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 elections,”

 

And last but not least, decorated army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, director of European affairs for the National Security Council- who was listening to the call - said he had “no doubt” that Trump was pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political rival, according to the transcript. He also said he reported his concerns to the National Security Council’s top lawyer because he was so “concerned.”

 

So either ALL of these people are lying to congress and therefore committing perjury and risking up to 5 years in prison, their reputations and their careers or your boy is a cheating, conniving, back-dealing crook who was holding off $400 million in aid to the Ukraine unless they investigated a often debunked conspiracy theory concerning Biden and his son.

 

Now you are more than welcome to come back on this with your 'evidence' that you think we are all ignoring but having seen your numerous posts before, I'm not going to hold my breath for anything that is based on facts.

 

Source https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-testified-congress/story?id=66763043

Edited November 12, 2019 by johnnybangkok

[xylophone]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You haven't posted any 'evidence'. All you post is whataboutism, deflections and debunked conspiracy theories. Your whole argument is that Trump had every right to ask the Ukraine about the Bidens and many, many people have tried to educate you (myself included) that no, that is a breach of campaign finance laws. We have seen sworn testimony from many people to include this article about Laura Cooper, deputy assistant secretary of defense testifying that "All of the senior leaders of the U.S. national security departments and agencies were all unified in their view that this assistance was essential," but also;-

 

Fiona Hill, former Russia expert for the National Security Council  Described a July 10 White House meeting with Ukrainian officials in which Gordon Sondland pressured Ukraine for a political investigation and insisted Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney had agreed to the plan. Following the meeting, Hill said John Bolton, the president’s national security adviser, told her to tell the president’s legal adviser “that I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up.”

 

Michael McKinley, former senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said he was disturbed by a push to use U.S. diplomatic missions "to procure negative political information for domestic purposes," as well as a "failure" at the State Department to support the American diplomatic corps.

 

Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union in a dramatic u-turn testified that he personally delivered the message on Sept. 1 to a top Ukrainian official that U.S. military aid was contingent upon the country’s ability to launch an investigation that Trump wanted after he “refreshed” his recollection.

 

Bill Taylor, U.S. charge d’affaires for Ukraine told Congress that "it was becoming clear" to him that a meeting between Trump and the Ukrainian President "was contingent upon the investigation of Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 elections,”

 

And last but not least, decorated army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, director of European affairs for the National Security Council- who was listening to the call - said he had “no doubt” that Trump was pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political rival, according to the transcript. He also said he reported his concerns to the National Security Council’s top lawyer because he was so “concerned.”

 

So either ALL of these people are lying to congress and therefore committing perjury and risking up to 5 years in prison, their reputations and their careers or your boy is a cheating, conniving, back-dealing crook who was holding off $400 million in aid to the Ukraine unless they investigated a often debunked conspiracy theory concerning Biden and his son.

 

Now you are more than welcome to come back on this with your 'evidence' that you think we are all ignoring but having seen your numerous posts before, I'm not going to hold my breath for anything that is based on facts.

 

Source https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-testified-congress/story?id=66763043

Well Done......excellent post.

 

BUT as we have seen here and on other threads, the trump supporters have a mental block with regards to seeing anything wrong with the myriad of lies and deceit (not to mention theft) perpetrated by this POS. 

[Sujo]

42 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The issues raised extended far beyond the single matter of closed door hearings.  You know that but that information wouldn't fit into the narrative you want to portray with your comment.

Didnt bother clinton and nixon hearings that were in private.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Well Done......excellent post.

 

BUT as we have seen here and on other threads, the trump supporters have a mental block with regards to seeing anything wrong with the myriad of lies and deceit (not to mention theft) perpetrated by this POS. 

Oh I am VERY aware of the Trumpers on here and their inability to accept facts that are contrary to their echo chambers but it shouldn't stop us from calling them out on their BS. 

Masochistically, I actually prefer it as it means, unlike them, we have to assemble arguments that are factual and corroborated by multiple media sources, and will stand the 'scrutiny' of their sharp and incisive minds (only joking of course - most are as dumb as a box of frogs and wouldn't know a fact if it hit them on the head).

I'm also encouraged that many of Trumps initial supporters (going back to when he was first nominated) are now conspicuously quiet on these threads (to be replaced by suspiciously new posters with provocative avatars and new accounts), so I'm hoping, we might actually have got through to the less rabid Trumpers and you never know, maybe changed a few minds (wishful thinking I know).   

Edited November 12, 2019 by johnnybangkok

[Redline]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Does anybody check if anybody out there changes his or her mind about Trump?

 

I'll change my mind as soon as someone gives me the same drugs that they're taking.

 

But then there are those people who ignore any evidence.

 

I've posted lots of evidence but it's all ignored by the left.  The problem is that the left only accepts the evidence they want.  Not only that, but they conflate evidence with established fact.  And then accuse people who refuse to do the same of ignoring evidence, erm, established fact.

Alternative reality you mean?  Conspiracy theories you mean ????????

[bristolboy]

Pentagon official testifies Trump directed freeze on aid to Ukraine

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/pentagon-official-testifies-trump-directed-freeze-aid-ukraine-n1080256

2 key takeaways from this article.

1)The withholding of aid was done illegally

2)The Ukrainians did know that military aid was being withheld. Other sources have also backed this up.

[BritManToo]

I saw Trump with his daughter doing a TV chat show type interview.

He came across quite well, "If she wasn't my daughter I'd probably be dating her"

I like people who are able to make jokes about them-self.

 

Can't imagine many military dictators managing that.

Edited November 12, 2019 by BritManToo

[4675636b596f75]

5 hours ago, HuskerDo said:

Even a face lift or two can't fix stupid.

It's arrogance.

[candide]

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

You haven't posted any 'evidence'. All you post is whataboutism, deflections and debunked conspiracy theories. Your whole argument is that Trump had every right to ask the Ukraine about the Bidens and many, many people have tried to educate you (myself included) that no, that is a breach of campaign finance laws. We have seen sworn testimony from many people to include this article about Laura Cooper, deputy assistant secretary of defense testifying that "All of the senior leaders of the U.S. national security departments and agencies were all unified in their view that this assistance was essential," but also;-

 

Fiona Hill, former Russia expert for the National Security Council  Described a July 10 White House meeting with Ukrainian officials in which Gordon Sondland pressured Ukraine for a political investigation and insisted Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney had agreed to the plan. Following the meeting, Hill said John Bolton, the president’s national security adviser, told her to tell the president’s legal adviser “that I am not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up.”

 

Michael McKinley, former senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said he was disturbed by a push to use U.S. diplomatic missions "to procure negative political information for domestic purposes," as well as a "failure" at the State Department to support the American diplomatic corps.

 

Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union in a dramatic u-turn testified that he personally delivered the message on Sept. 1 to a top Ukrainian official that U.S. military aid was contingent upon the country’s ability to launch an investigation that Trump wanted after he “refreshed” his recollection.

 

Bill Taylor, U.S. charge d’affaires for Ukraine told Congress that "it was becoming clear" to him that a meeting between Trump and the Ukrainian President "was contingent upon the investigation of Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 elections,”

 

And last but not least, decorated army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, director of European affairs for the National Security Council- who was listening to the call - said he had “no doubt” that Trump was pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political rival, according to the transcript. He also said he reported his concerns to the National Security Council’s top lawyer because he was so “concerned.”

 

So either ALL of these people are lying to congress and therefore committing perjury and risking up to 5 years in prison, their reputations and their careers or your boy is a cheating, conniving, back-dealing crook who was holding off $400 million in aid to the Ukraine unless they investigated a often debunked conspiracy theory concerning Biden and his son.

 

Now you are more than welcome to come back on this with your 'evidence' that you think we are all ignoring but having seen your numerous posts before, I'm not going to hold my breath for anything that is based on facts.

 

Source https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-testified-congress/story?id=66763043

You are losing your time. He is in propaganda mode and will post the same phony claim again in a few minutes or hours.

Edited November 12, 2019 by candide

[howbri]

Democrats are running a witch hunt and have been for 3 years as the hoax continues. Trump will win big at the polls next year with R's winning back the House of Rep. The corruption by the left knows no bounds but the American people, those that love their country, are all behind him. Just check out the ralllies  and compare them to the meager 2-300 that Biden and Crazy Bernie are getting. 

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, howbri said:

Democrats are running a witch hunt and have been for 3 years as the hoax continues. Trump will win big at the polls next year with R's winning back the House of Rep. The corruption by the left knows no bounds but the American people, those that love their country, are all behind him. Just check out the ralllies  and compare them to the meager 2-300 that Biden and Crazy Bernie are getting. 

Soooo, how about the evidence.

[hugocnx]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Does anybody check if anybody out there changes his or her mind about Trump?

For many of us it's obvious since forever that he is lying all the time, enriching himself, and ignoring all the rules.

If the president co

uld be prosecuted like anybody else he would probably be already in jail - with not much chance of coming out anytime soon.

But then there are those people who ignore any evidence. They still support Trump and it seems there is nothing that would convince them that Trump should be removed.

More evidence for what? If people didn't get it until now why would they change their mind with new evidence? They believe in Trump like a religion. It's impossible to convince them with facts. 

You said it just wrong: "For many of us it's obvious......." Yeah man, that's the real evidence. Trump phobia.

[Saint Nick]

16 minutes ago, howbri said:

Democrats are running a witch hunt and have been for 3 years as the hoax continues. Trump will win big at the polls next year with R's winning back the House of Rep. The corruption by the left knows no bounds but the American people, those that love their country, are all behind him. Just check out the ralllies  and compare them to the meager 2-300 that Biden and Crazy Bernie are getting. 

Oh yeah...the amount of people following, is always an indicator for quality!

Like billions of flies, eating s**t!

[OneMoreFarang]

24 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

You said it just wrong: "For many of us it's obvious......." Yeah man, that's the real evidence. Trump phobia.

Did you follow the news (not fox "news") in the last couple of weeks? If yes, how can you possibly have any doubts that Trump tried to make a mafia style deal. You do me a favor and I do you a favor. And just in case someone asks you: No, that is not legal - and for good reason.

[riclag]

6 hours ago, Paul Henry said:

Even if Trump does not lose his job for the corrupt things he has done since day one of his presidency

the Republicans will still have a major problem.After he "wins" the impeachment investigation" he will still run the office of President like a criminal dictator and insist on more corrupt and illegal edicts being put into law.Then when the people of the USA vote in 2020 most of the current senators will be voted out of office.

If these senators want to save their positions after 2020 they need to act now and carry out the job they swore to do on entering the senate.

 "criminal dictator ,illegal edicts"conspiracy theories! For your information the Senate was designed as a  check balance on the peoples house. Sen. Graham already has almost 50 gop members of the senate who agree that this is a house "dem" impeachment sham,while all of the gop house members are in line with the WH transcript that the Prez Z admitted several times no pressure no blackmail

[hugocnx]

Gimme a break. I don't want to be indoctrinated by the so called real media where it is all a huge scour of hate, putting up fake happenings (CNN) and media backed people who insist they have PROOF (Schiff). That is demagogy, another word for populism the left accuses the right of.

Let's us do each other a favor and call it quits. Not with a quit pro quo.

Edited November 12, 2019 by hugocnx

[jany123]

7 hours ago, owl sees all said:

I'm not an American, so I don't think it's right to comment on this nonsense.

As a non American, do you feel insulated from the potential fall out of the trumps unilateral decision making and chaotic leadership?

 

And... are you comfortable with the trump being the most powerful leader on the planet, given what we’ve seen in the last couple of year?

 

i completely agree that as a non American, your opinions are of dubious value regards items of internal import. But as a citizen of the planet, any action that can impact on you or yours brings with it the right, nay duty, to comment

 

and... to be effective, commenting needs doing sooner than later.

[TPI]

9 hours ago, sirineou said:

 yea I don't get it either. Today in an interview Nikki Haley said:

 

""Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the President, they weren't being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country," Haley wrote. "

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/10/politics/nikki-haley-tillerson-kelly-save-the-country-recruit-white-house/index.html

People in the administration , everyone coming out of the administration , that has nothing to gain from supporting trump, has a very unflattering opinion of him, and this Idiots ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I dont get why they don't see something that is plain as day. 

 

"Confided" ? So it must be true because these guys wouldn't lie, would they? Of course Nikki wouldn't have an axe to grind would she? A paragon of truth?  ???????? 

[sirineou]

27 minutes ago, TPI said:

"Confided" ? So it must be true because these guys wouldn't lie, would they? Of course Nikki wouldn't have an axe to grind would she? A paragon of truth?  ???????? 

Sure they all lie, except trump, who never does.

Edited November 12, 2019 by sirineou

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Oh I am VERY aware of the Trumpers on here and their inability to accept facts that are contrary to their echo chambers but it shouldn't stop us from calling them out on their BS. 

Masochistically, I actually prefer it as it means, unlike them, we have to assemble arguments that are factual and corroborated by multiple media sources, and will stand the 'scrutiny' of their sharp and incisive minds (only joking of course - most are as dumb as a box of frogs and wouldn't know a fact if it hit them on the head).

I'm also encouraged that many of Trumps initial supporters (going back to when he was first nominated) are now conspicuously quiet on these threads (to be replaced by suspiciously new posters with provocative avatars and new accounts), so I'm hoping, we might actually have got through to the less rabid Trumpers and you never know, maybe changed a few minds (wishful thinking I know).   

It never ceases to amaze me how the trump supporters just don't see what is staring them in the face and even when they do, they dismiss it as something completely different and try to deflect away from the main argument.

 

I bet if you took a survey and asked the majority of the supporters if he had ever told a lie, a majority would say no! But then again, so would Trump as he has no idea what is coming out of that scatological orifice – – no brain to engage before speaking I'm afraid.

 

I notice they have coined a phrase called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", but little do they understand that it could so easily be applied to them, or indeed altered very slightly to "Trump Dumbass Syndrome" when applied to just about anything which Trump says or does.

 

I've said this before and I will say it again – – that I am astonished anyone could support or vote for this POS who is a five-time bankrupt, a compulsive liar, an adulterer, a thief of charity funds and someone who is just plain dumb.

 

America deserves someone better........and with Trump's track record that could be just about anyone. In fact anyone with an IQ of over 80 and who is not a compulsive liar would suffice!

[candide]

1 hour ago, doggie1955 said:

Back in 2017, the Mexican News papers and TV reported that over 3 milion illegal aliens voted for Hillary Clinton. But are News would not talk about it????

Two Rep. States launched investigations and found nothing. Trump launched an investigation commission which found nothing.

Next phony diversion?

[Sujo]

12 minutes ago, xylophone said:

It never ceases to amaze me how the trump supporters just don't see what is staring them in the face and even when they do, they dismiss it as something completely different and try to deflect away from the main argument.

 

I bet if you took a survey and asked the majority of the supporters if he had ever told a lie, a majority would say no! But then again, so would Trump as he has no idea what is coming out of that scatological orifice – – no brain to engage before speaking I'm afraid.

 

I notice they have coined a phrase called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", but little do they understand that it could so easily be applied to them, or indeed altered very slightly to "Trump Dumbass Syndrome" when applied to just about anything which Trump says or does.

 

I've said this before and I will say it again – – that I am astonished anyone could support or vote for this POS who is a five-time bankrupt, a compulsive liar, an adulterer, a thief of charity funds and someone who is just plain dumb.

 

America deserves someone better........and with Trump's track record that could be just about anyone. In fact anyone with an IQ of over 80 and who is not a compulsive liar would suffice!

Actually i saw jim jordan state to chris cuomo categorically that trump has never lied. He insisted that was correct. 

 

Kellyanne also said the same.

 

I wont post the link now but easy enough to find.

 

Thats what normal people who use logic and reasoning have to deal with. Its like flat earthers, give all the evidence and they just say no.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Oh I am VERY aware of the Trumpers on here and their inability to accept facts that are contrary to their echo chambers but it shouldn't stop us from calling them out on their BS. 

Masochistically, I actually prefer it as it means, unlike them, we have to assemble arguments that are factual and corroborated by multiple media sources, and will stand the 'scrutiny' of their sharp and incisive minds (only joking of course - most are as dumb as a box of frogs and wouldn't know a fact if it hit them on the head).

I'm also encouraged that many of Trumps initial supporters (going back to when he was first nominated) are now conspicuously quiet on these threads (to be replaced by suspiciously new posters with provocative avatars and new accounts), so I'm hoping, we might actually have got through to the less rabid Trumpers and you never know, maybe changed a few minds (wishful thinking I know).   

Good job, johhny!!  You really got me that time.  No kidding.  You really did.  Kudos.  Vindman should gift his purple heart to you.  But you did forget to include one small, insignificant fact:  There was no quid pro quo.

[Tippaporn]

29 minutes ago, xylophone said:

It never ceases to amaze me how the trump supporters just don't see what is staring them in the face and even when they do, they dismiss it as something completely different and try to deflect away from the main argument.

 

I bet if you took a survey and asked the majority of the supporters if he had ever told a lie, a majority would say no! But then again, so would Trump as he has no idea what is coming out of that scatological orifice – – no brain to engage before speaking I'm afraid.

 

I notice they have coined a phrase called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", but little do they understand that it could so easily be applied to them, or indeed altered very slightly to "Trump Dumbass Syndrome" when applied to just about anything which Trump says or does.

 

I've said this before and I will say it again – – that I am astonished anyone could support or vote for this POS who is a five-time bankrupt, a compulsive liar, an adulterer, a thief of charity funds and someone who is just plain dumb.

 

America deserves someone better........and with Trump's track record that could be just about anyone. In fact anyone with an IQ of over 80 and who is not a compulsive liar would suffice!

The fact there was no quid pro quo is staring you and everyone else in the face.  Only the libs dismiss it.  Now that's amazing.

[JohnDone]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Good job, johhny!!  You really got me that time.  No kidding.  You really did.  Kudos.  Vindman should gift his purple heart to you.  But you did forget to include one small, insignificant fact:  There was no quid pro quo.

 

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The fact there was no quid pro quo is staring you and everyone else in the face.  Only the libs dismiss it.  Now that's amazing.

 

I think there is something like leading the blind etc etc, which I'm sure applies to you

 

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/23/trump-admits-quid-pro-quo.html

 

Trump admitted that there was a quid pro quo, as the White House has adopted the defense of admitting everything, but saying so what.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

 "criminal dictator ,illegal edicts"conspiracy theories! For your information the Senate was designed as a  check balance on the peoples house. Sen. Graham already has almost 50 gop members of the senate who agree that this is a house "dem" impeachment sham,while all of the gop house members are in line with the WH transcript that the Prez Z admitted several times no pressure no blackmail

The public hearings will change the math you are hanging your hopes on.

[Tippaporn]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t accept sworn testimony but you hang your hopes on something said during a TV interview.

 

LOL back at ya!

I never said that I don't accept sworn testimony.  Where did I say that, Chomper?  I'm sure it won't take you as long to find the particular post as it did for Vindman to find where the quid pro quo was in the call text when asked by a Representative during his testimony.  Actually I'm setting you up.  You have all the time you want since Vindman hasn't found it yet so the clock hasn't stopped.

 

What I was arguing earlier was that testimony is not tantamount to established fact.  So you twist the facts and end up with I "don't accept sworn testimony."  See how that works?

 

This entire sham argument that Trump is guilty of quid pro quo follows exactly as what you have just illustrated.  Take facts, twist them into a pretzel shape of your biased choosing and viola!, Trump is guilty of something that never happened.  It's quite magical.  Unfortunately, it's dark magic.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I never said that I don't accept sworn testimony.  Where did I say that, Chomper?  I'm sure it won't take you as long to find the particular post as it did for Vindman to find where the quid pro quo was in the call text when asked by a Representative during his testimony.  Actually I'm setting you up.  You have all the time you want since Vindman hasn't found it yet so the clock hasn't stopped.

 

What I was arguing earlier was that testimony is not tantamount to established fact.  So you twist the facts and end up with I "don't accept sworn testimony."  See how that works?

 

This entire sham argument that Trump is guilty of quid pro quo follows exactly as what you have just illustrated.  Take facts, twist them into a pretzel shape of your biased choosing and viola!, Trump is guilty of something that never happened.  It's quite magical.  Unfortunately, it's dark magic.

Public hearings start tomorrow.

 

Enjoy.

[Tippaporn]

29 minutes ago, JohnDone said:

 

 

I think there is something like leading the blind etc etc, which I'm sure applies to you

 

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/23/trump-admits-quid-pro-quo.html

 

Trump admitted that there was a quid pro quo, as the White House has adopted the defense of admitting everything, but saying so what.

Here's Trump's tweet which is the tweet used for the claim that "Trump admitted quid pro quo."  (This claim has been around for some time already.)

 

Neither he (Taylor) or any other witness has provided testimony that the Ukrainians were aware that military aid was being withheld. You can’t have a quid pro quo with no quo.” Congressman John Ratcliffe @foxandfriends Where is the Whistleblower? The Do Nothing Dems case is DEAD!

 

How anyone can read into that tweet an admission is beyond ludicrous.  I truly feel sorry for you people, LOL.

[Tippaporn]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The public hearings will change the math you are hanging your hopes on.

We don't use your common core math, Chomper.  2 + 2 still equals 4 for us.