Thailand to adopt B10 as standard diesel from 1 Jan 2020

[snoop1130]

Thailand to adopt B10 as standard diesel from 1 Jan 2020

 

 

BANGKOK(NNT) - The government has been promoting the utilization of B10 diesel to help raise oil palm pricing. This initiative has, so far, increased oil palm pricing by 4 baht per kilogram. The Ministry of Energy is pushing this matter by announcing that B10 diesel is to become the standard diesel type in Thailand from 1 January 2020.

 

The Minister of Energy Sonthirat Sonthijirawong has visited Surat Thani province, where he has reassured farmers of the stability of oil palm pricing, promising the government is pushing further utilization of B10 diesel which will help stimulate the grassroot economy.

 

The Ministry of Energy will, from 1 January 2020, define B10 as the standard diesel type in Thailand, which is expected to help increase national biodiesel consumption by 2.1 million liters daily, or by 40 percent.

 

The ministry expects the energy sector to help absorb two thirds of the national production of crude palm oil (CPO), or at 2.2 million tons annually. The increase in palm oil demand will help improve stability of oil palm fruit pricing, reduce PM 2.5 airborne dust emissions and help the country save on oil imports by 1.8 million liters daily.

 

The Energy Minister and visiting officials then observed biodiesel production at New Biodiesel Company Limited in Tha Chang district. This factory produces biodiesel products as a form of alternative energy, helping the country reduce reliance on fuel imports, increase pricing stability among oil palm farmers and improving confidence among farmers in revenues from their harvests.

 

-- © Copyright NNT 2019-11-25

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[unamazedloso]

oh dear.... there goes my crappy thai pickups longevity.

 

whats with the ribbons and sht tho? mardi gras?

[Golden Triangle]

Lots of questions here, is it okay to put in my Fortuna, will my regular diesel still be available, is my current one gonna be priced out of existence ?? All just to cosy up to the Palm Oil farmers !!

[rumak]

same questions.   will the "normal"  diesel still be available?   

 

and does anyone know what this new stuff is gonna do to our old trucks

[MeePeeMai]

8 minutes ago, rumak said:

same questions.   will the "normal"  diesel still be available?   

 

and does anyone know what this new stuff is gonna do to our old trucks

The older trucks are usually more tolerant of bio diesel fuels and mixes.  It's the newer ones that will probably have more issues (if any) due to a 10% bio diesel fuel mix.   Check your owner's manual (if you have one) as it usually tells you how much the maximum bio fuel percentage the manufacturer recommends (or does not recommend any at all).

 

I remember that my 2003 Ford Excursion owner's manual recommended no more than 5% bio diesel mix for fuel. It will probably run fine on more but will void the manufacturer's new vehicle warranty.   if you had engine problems and they found more than 5% bio fuel in your tank then they could deny an owner's warranty claim for an engine problem. 

[tracker1]

Let the Government use it first on their fleet of vehicles so the public can see the results ! In Australia the Local Government I was employed by trialed Bio Diesel with disastrous results

[Golden Triangle]

1 minute ago, tracker1 said:

Let the Government use it first on their fleet of vehicles so the public can see the results ! In Australia the Local Government I was employed by trialed Bio Diesel with disastrous results

Good idea, I don't think it will work here, it's an us & them situation unfortunately.............. 

[wgdanson]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

which is expected to help FORCE national biodiesel consumption by 2.1 million liters daily, or by 40 percent.

 

[rumak]

3 hours ago, MeePeeMai said:

The older trucks are usually more tolerant of bio diesel fuels and mixes. 

when i say older I'm talking really old  555     My Izuzu  is around 22 years old and approaching 300 K  km.    Once in a while i stop somewhere and someone wants to buy it   ????

Guess I will wait and ask the locals..... as there are still lots of these antiques around here.

 

[MeePeeMai]

3 minutes ago, rumak said:

when i say older I'm talking really old  555     My Izuzu  is around 22 years old and approaching 300 K  km.    Once in a while i stop somewhere and someone wants to buy it   ????

Guess I will wait and ask the locals..... as there are still lots of these antiques around here.

 

The new B10 should not cause your old goat any problems at all.  Those really old diesels are simple oil burners and can practically run on anything.  I have a friend with an old mercedes and he burns his used engine oil in it and sometimes runs it off of recycled vegetable oil from the fast food joints (he uses 2 pre filters and a warmer for this type of fuel).

Edited November 25, 2019 by MeePeeMai

[rumak]

5 minutes ago, MeePeeMai said:

The new B10 should not cause your old goat any problems at all.  Those really old diesels are simple oil burners and can practically run on anything.  I have a friend with an old mercedes and he burns his used engine oil in it and sometimes runs it off of recycled vegetable oil from the fast food joints (he uses 2 pre filters and a warmer for this type of fuel).

LOL   i think you're right .   I test drove a new Toyota PU and it bounced so much they should have named it Bronco.    GF said my old goat was much smoother.  And when you open the hood there it is :  Engine,  alternator,  radiator, battery .     Simple !   

[IAMHERE]

 

Similar in the USA where corn is used in the fashion palm oil is being used here in Thailand. Farmers have a lot of political clout I'm guessing. 

[Boon Mee]

Stopped at my local PTT station today to top up the tank and the pump ⛽ jockey asked me if I wanted "Premium Diesel" or regular diesel. Asked him what's the difference and of course he didn't have a clue. 

 

Reckon this new "Premium Diesel" is the bio-diesel junk. 

[transam]

40 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Stopped at my local PTT station today to top up the tank and the pump ⛽ jockey asked me if I wanted "Premium Diesel" or regular diesel. Asked him what's the difference and of course he didn't have a clue. 

 

Reckon this new "Premium Diesel" is the bio-diesel junk. 

Think it just has more additives to keep the fuel system in top order..

[canthai55]

Much scare mongering and just plain wrong information on Biodiesel.

We run Class 1 trucks, heavy equipment including dozers, loaders, excavators on percentages of biodiesel.

Only thing we have found is - due to the fact that biodiesel acts as a solvent, any accumulated dirt in the fuel system will be cleaned and collected by the filters. This - in the long run - is a good thing.

Keep an eye on your fuel filters, and forgot all the BS - just like all the BS surrounding gasahol

[thailand49]

Not to worry, the Thais know what they are doing, been planning for years in anticipation of the announcement. Old or new your truck with the new B10, once you touch the gas pedal brace yourself the wheels don't come off the ground.

????

[DeeMoney]

15 hours ago, rumak said:

when i say older I'm talking really old  555     My Izuzu  is around 22 years old and approaching 300 K  km.    Once in a while i stop somewhere and someone wants to buy it   ????

Guess I will wait and ask the locals..... as there are still lots of these antiques around here.

 

If it's not a commonrail diesel then it should handle biodiesel fine.

[rumak]

changed to ........

 

 

Edited November 26, 2019 by rumak

[transam]

51 minutes ago, DeeMoney said:

If it's not a commonrail diesel then it should handle biodiesel fine.

A very interesting read...Read till the end.........

 

https://www.carlist.my/news/faqs-on-b10-biodiesel--what-you-need-to-know-before-b10-is-introduced-61929/61929/

[rumak]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

A very interesting read...Read till the end.........

 

https://www.carlist.my/news/faqs-on-b10-biodiesel--what-you-need-to-know-before-b10-is-introduced-61929/61929/

thanks for the link.   So not so sure how our old workhorses will fare after all , according to that article

[MeePeeMai]

50 minutes ago, transam said:

A very interesting read...Read till the end.........

 

https://www.carlist.my/news/faqs-on-b10-biodiesel--what-you-need-to-know-before-b10-is-introduced-61929/61929/

Thanks that was a great article.  It pretty much confirms what I said earlier in that our vehicles will probably run fine on B10 but any engine problems can result in the OEM powertrain warranty claims to be denied for using B10 (unless it is spelled out in the owner's manual/warranty details that B10 is approved as a fuel by the manufacturer).

 

It also says that " Critics say biodiesel is hydroscopic, meaning that it absorbs water from the atmosphere, leading to clogged fuel filters and injectors, as well as premature wear of rubber seals. The added blow-by gases also dilutes engine oil."  This is a concern as it does the same thing as ethanol blended fuels (pulling moisture out of the atmosphere and breaking down rubber seals).  This is a good reason to keep your fuel tank as full as practical as often as possible vs running it under 1/2 or 1/4 tank all the time (as some driver's do). 

 

There has been a lot of problems in Hawaii (think high humidity) after they mandated E-10 and are now moving to E-15 and then E-20 soon.  Many vehicles are ending up with rusted fuel tanks (on the inside) from the moisture accumulation which also ruins the fuel pump, fuel filters, fuel lines and injectors (can also ruin the engine).  Folks like me that keep it topped up all the time (I learned that lesson after a big earthquake in 2006 when the power lines fell and we went without electricity for 2 weeks and the gas stations were all closed where I lived) never had any problems with the moisture buildup in my fuel tank and when inspected, it still looked fairly new.

 

My recommendation with ethanol blends or biodiesel blended fuel is to keep your fuel tank full or near full (especially if the vehicle is sitting or not being used much).  This method also worked well for my lawnmower, weed eater, motorcycles and gas powered generator where friends that let them sit for weeks or months on less than half tank had moisture contaminated fuel and then had to drain and refill the tank with fresh gas since they would either not start, or run rough after sitting. 

 

I had a friend in Hawaii who had to replace the steel fuel tanks (due to rust) in his Ford 150, his Harley Davidson and 2 Honda motorcycles because he liked to keep them on near empty all the time (bad habit).  His theory was that he would put "fresh gas" in every time he used them and leave them parked near empty which actually backfired on him and he learned the hard way.  A good quality fuel additive (available for both diesel or gas engines) will help control the moisture in your fuel and tank but these are rather pricey if using them regularly.

Edited November 26, 2019 by MeePeeMai

[Scot123]

3 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Much scare mongering and just plain wrong information on Biodiesel.

We run Class 1 trucks, heavy equipment including dozers, loaders, excavators on percentages of biodiesel.

Only thing we have found is - due to the fact that biodiesel acts as a solvent, any accumulated dirt in the fuel system will be cleaned and collected by the filters. This - in the long run - is a good thing.

Keep an eye on your fuel filters, and forgot all the BS - just like all the BS surrounding gasahol

The problem with bio diesel or petrol is as you stated "its a solvent" plus it also burns hotter thus putting more pressure on the engine. You do not see the damage until it is to late. The only time you should use is when the engine is designed for it. This is another reason you should buy new in Thailand. If you just want to keep it 3 years and don't care about who buys it then crack on. 

[Chongalulu]

On 11/26/2019 at 2:53 PM, transam said:

A very interesting read...Read till the end.........

 

https://www.carlist.my/news/faqs-on-b10-biodiesel--what-you-need-to-know-before-b10-is-introduced-61929/61929/

Indeed,but not conclusive. I looked into putting the ubiquitous B20 into my 4 year old Isuzu pickup. After some confusion a reputable dealer had a booklet from Isuzu requiring it to have modifications costing around 3000 baht. That cost would be recouped with 3 baht litre cheaper fuel in a reasonable timespan but I’m cautious from a mechanical perspective about the other effects so didn’t go ahead. With B10 it’ll likely be ok but can I avoid this if I chose by putting in Vpower type premium diesel which I do on an occasional basis believing it to have cleaning additives? 

[NanLaew]

On 11/25/2019 at 6:34 PM, rumak said:

same questions.   will the "normal"  diesel still be available?   

 

and does anyone know what this new stuff is gonna do to our old trucks

It will make the truck taste sweeter?

 

On 11/25/2019 at 10:19 PM, MeePeeMai said:

The new B10 should not cause your old goat any problems at all.  Those really old diesels are simple oil burners and can practically run on anything.  I have a friend with an old mercedes and he burns his used engine oil in it and sometimes runs it off of recycled vegetable oil from the fast food joints (he uses 2 pre filters and a warmer for this type of fuel).

Hmmm... smells finger lickin' good.

Edited December 1, 2019 by NanLaew

[KhunBENQ]

On 11/26/2019 at 9:36 AM, Boon Mee said:

Reckon this new "Premium Diesel" is the bio-diesel junk. 

No and no.

Neither new nor bio.

It's the most expensive diesel and I assume (have to check) that it is "100% pure", no bio.

The choice for the diesel limousines e.g.

It's on top of this list (fuel prices after last adjustment from Nov 30 2019).

If you want to risk your (new) engine try the hyped B20

Second in the list is "standard" diesel with palm oil content of the day (adjusted by some council of the wise, might be 3%, might be 7% ?).

Edited December 1, 2019 by KhunBENQ