"Miracle" toothpaste for gum problems?

[Jingthing]

OK, first of all I must admit I'm overdo for a visit to the dentist and fully realize we all need the services of dental professionals for both prevention and treatment of dental problems. So no lectures please, I'm a big boy. 

 

So anyway, I've had periodontal symptoms at various times in my life (bleeding gums, etc.) and recognize that's not a trivial thing as that can lead to losing teeth, it indicates inflammation that has an impact on overall health, and even increases risk for cardiac events.

 

Well, I felt that I wanted to clean things up a bit before rushing to the dentist (kind of like cleaning for the maid) so I happened upon the KOLBADENT line of Thai herbal toothpaste products. 

 

So I chose the most serious one for gum problems and let me tell you the results have been both quick and amazing. Like clearing most everything up within a few days.

 

Now I'm wondering what's really in this stuff that it works so well? Is it safe to use regularly even when not worrying about treating symptoms as a preventative measure?

 

They have three choices for different purposes (fresh breath, whitening, and STRONGER gum problems). As I said, I chose the hard core gum stuff.

 

https://gumalive.com/en/

 

[faraday]

One of them has Clove oil in it, which has good antibacterial deodorising properties.

 

I often use C20 mouthwash that has 1% Chlorhexidine.

 

Do they make a paste for numbness, if one has been sitting down too long?

 

What would it be called, I wonder?

 

 

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, sillyfool said:

quit smoking as well ? should do wonders for your gum health.

Well I don't smoke but obviously smoking is not good for people. 

[Sheryl]

Likely it is the clove oil that makes the difference

[Searat7]

Paradontax  is excellent toothpaste for gum problems

[NightSky]

38 minutes ago, Searat7 said:

Paradontax  is excellent toothpaste for gum problems

I was told the problem with paradontax is that the fluoride in it destroys tooth enamel causing yellowing.

 

A UK dentist advised sensodyne pronamel but I havnt seen it here’s so I use sensodyne multi use.

 

to fix periodontal gum disease brush teeth well 2 to 3 times each day and rinse with salt water to help healing. 

 

Dont allow food particles to remain trapped after eating, rinse or a quick brush.

Edited November 27, 2019 by NightSky

[Chassa]

Sore Gums - Baking powder solution used it all my life!

 

[Mick501]

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There's a great product called Tooth Mousse.  About $15-20 US for a 40ml tube, but worth every penny for gum issues.  

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Mick501 said:

There's a great product called Tooth Mousse.  About $15-20 US for a 40ml tube, but worth every penny for gum issues.  

Is that sold in Thailand? In any case the product I'm using which I can't imagine anything working any better is about 160 baht a tube here. I saw it for sale in the U.S. for 25 dollars!

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, NightSky said:

I was told the problem with paradontax is that the fluoride in it destroys tooth enamel causing yellowing.

 

A UK dentist advised sensodyne pronamel but I havnt seen it here’s so I use sensodyne multi use.

 

to fix periodontal gum disease brush teeth well 2 to 3 times each day and rinse with salt water to help healing. 

 

Dont allow food particles to remain trapped after eating, rinse or a quick brush.

That's a really good point about removing food. I've felt and had it confirmed by dentists that brushing and flossing twice a day is fine and no need to brush after eating every time. But when you introduce gum problems, I am finding most definitely it is helpful to brush every time after eating. Of course that's not always practical when you're out and about. 

 

I had noticed Paradontax on the shelves here and considered that but then I saw the cool looking Thai herbal brand that I'm using and decided to try that instead.

[Jingthing]

OK, I'm not a dentist and I don't play one on TV, but I do know there is only so much that home remedies can do. Brushing, rinsing with whatever doesn't really get into deeper pockets associated with gum disease. You can get irrigation tools and do some of that yourself but really that's what professional cleanings are for. 

 

"Funny" story. Many years ago in the U.S. I went to a young dentist that seemed to have a lot of student loans to pay off. She first recommended scaling and planing which she did (and didn't seem that good at either). Then she recommended numerous gum surgeries. So I sought a second opinion from a more experienced dentist. No surgeries. Of course sometimes you do need surgery. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Jingthing

[atyclb]

common offender in periodontal disease especially periodontal pockets is decaying food that attracts bacterial growth-inflammation cycle. flossing is the single best way to improve assuming it is not too far advanced. descaling can also help as well as a water pic like device and/or ultrasonic toothbrush.  a periodontal pocket can cause an increased space between opposing tooth(further traps food) and flossing as well as other measures can decrease space.

[Mick501]

43 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Is that sold in Thailand? In any case the product I'm using which I can't imagine anything working any better is about 160 baht a tube here. I saw it for sale in the U.S. for 25 dollars!

You can get Tooth Mousse on Lazada for about 420b per tube.   Unlike toothpaste,  it actually repairs gum damage.  Typically I only needed it for 1-2 weeks at most and then get a few months of relief.  The tube therefore lasts much longer.

 

 Aging can cause receding gums and sensitivity.  If this is your issue, then you can get the teeth rebuilt to cover the gums at a reasonable cost.  Should help a lot with sensitivity and no cosmetic issues if the relevant fangs are at the back.

[Jingthing]

A reason I started this thread is because I am concerned that LONG TERM use of the product I'm using might have negative side effects. So I'm using for a shorter term improvement and it worked fantastically but the question was whether using all the time regardless of symptoms was advisable or not. The teeth yellowing problem with Peradontax is a clue. Also the directions for the Gum Alive product I'm using are rather weird:

 

-- Only cover half of the toothbrush

-- Rinse THOUROUGHLY!

-- After using it, brush again with only water!

 

That seems to me they are saying so you fought the bacteria but get all that stuff OFF YOUR teeth. Another hint it's not a good idea to use all the time. 

 

So I guess I'm concluding better not to use all the time. 

[Krataiboy]

Make sure you nip any gum infection in the bud. As a young man, I didn't - and ended up getting a bad case of gingivitis. The specialist who gave my mouth the once-over joked, "Well, you're teeth aren't too bad, but your gums will have to come out!"

 

The laugh was definitely on me.  I subsequently underwent a gingivectomy, which involves a dental surgeon removing diseased and dead gum tissue with a scalpel.

 

I won't dwell on the gory details of the operation. Let's just say that overnight I became a convert to fastidious oral hygiene. The upside is that, half a century later, I still have most of my teeth.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Krataiboy

[Jingthing]

On the subject of salt water rinsing, yes that is effective with bloody situations. I remember doing that after wisdom teeth removals (I left my wisdom and wisdom teeth in San Francisco). But it's not indicated to do for long if you have hypertension. 

[unblocktheplanet]

Sensodyne Pronamel is available everywhere in BKK. However, it, too has fluoride in it. Even Herbal Tooth Powder has fluoride in regular flavour. The new papaya one from this brand has no fluoride.

[SiSePuede419]

1) Get a vibrating electric toothbrush.  The ultrasound vibrations help break off plaque.

 

 https://nymag-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/nymag.com/strategist/amp/article/best-electric-toothbrushes-dentists.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15748500958067&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=http%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fstrategist%2Farticle%2Fbest-electric-toothbrushes-dentists.html

 

2) Don't use mouthwash.  It's harmful to the beneficial bacteria in your mouth.

 

3) Every toothpaste is toxic.  That's why every toothpaste manufacturer recommendeds you put a tiny, tiny amount on your toothbrush.  They all recommend rinsing the toxic residue out of your mouth.  Some dentists recommend using no toothpaste "sometimes", again to reduce the amount of toxic compounds in your body.

 

3) Floss after every time you eat anything.  Carry floss with you.

 

4) That 2x daily is the minimum. Brushing after every time you eat is better.

 

Remember, dentists are just doctors who couldn't handle the curriculum. ????

[Jaggg88]

The best treatment for bleeding gums is to floss every time you eat and have your teeth professionally deep cleaned every 6 months. Cleaning your teeth morning and night time is the minimum requirement.

 

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Jaggg88 said:

The best treatment for bleeding gums is to floss every time you eat and have your teeth professionally deep cleaned every 6 months. Cleaning your teeth morning and night time is the minimum requirement.

 

How do you define deep cleaning?

Do you mean root scaling and planning because in my experience otherwise a cleaning is a cleaning with variations based on how long they take and the technical skill. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Jingthing

[nglodnig]

Many many years (12? 15?) ago my dentist moaned about my receding gums and recommended Meridol toothpaste. I have used it ever since and my dentist has stopped moaned about receding gums (well maybe they've given up) but hey I've still got all my teeth, and on my annual checkups  (and usual teeth clean and scraping to follow) are told they are fine (and my gums are still there). I don't floss but do use an electric toothbrush (Braun Oral-B is there another kind?) and touch wood have NO tooth/gum problems. Google it - it can be ordered from Holland for 5 euros a tube.

[beautifulthailand99]

On 11/27/2019 at 10:30 AM, SiSePuede419 said:

1) Get a vibrating electric toothbrush.  The ultrasound vibrations help break off plaque.

 

 https://nymag-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/nymag.com/strategist/amp/article/best-electric-toothbrushes-dentists.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15748500958067&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=http%3A%2F%2Fnymag.com%2Fstrategist%2Farticle%2Fbest-electric-toothbrushes-dentists.html

 

2) Don't use mouthwash.  It's harmful to the beneficial bacteria in your mouth.

 

3) Every toothpaste is toxic.  That's why every toothpaste manufacturer recommendeds you put a tiny, tiny amount on your toothbrush.  They all recommend rinsing the toxic residue out of your mouth.  Some dentists recommend using no toothpaste "sometimes", again to reduce the amount of toxic compounds in your body.

 

3) Floss after every time you eat anything.  Carry floss with you.

 

4) That 2x daily is the minimum. Brushing after every time you eat is better.

 

Remember, dentists are just doctors who couldn't handle the curriculum. ????

Wise words I've lost too many and have a denture and get work done for free by students at Guys Hospital which is one of the best dental hospitals in Europe with all the work carefully  supervised by top dental surgeons. So I take great care with what I have left and chat a length with the students as to current best practice. 

 

1. Electric toothbrush spot on - replace the heads frequently and use for at least two minutes concentrating on both teeth and gums. 

2. Correct, mouthwash is a lazy way to think you have done a good job. Floss or even better use inter dental picks Tebe are the best as they can get in the cracks that a brush can't. And do this before brushing. 

3. Fluoride toothpaste , don't think you are right on this one - most recommend Colgate Total should be the last thing you do - and leave it on your teeth as it hardens the enamel. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2120960/Rubbing-toothpaste-teeth-quadruples-protection-decay.html

4. At the end of a meal or snack use picks and slosh water around your mouth and swallow or spit to get as much feed debris out of your mouth. Avoid sugary snacks and drinks as the acid can attack the teeth , if you must use a straw and finish with a water rinse. 

https://www.tepe.com/uk/products/toothpicks/

5. If you have most of your teeth I truly envy you I wish I had taken better care way back when I could have made a difference and saved a lot of money and grief. 

[neeray]

My 2 cent suggestion:

A couple years ago, I started brushing with Epsom salts after my regular brushing. It leaves my teeth so squeaky clean that one day, I said to myself, "something feels different today". Then I realized, I had changed my routine that morning and missed the Epsom salts treatment; the usually squeaky clean feeling wasn't there, yet this was much later in the day.

 

(Epsom salts is more commonly known as magnesium sulphate in Thailand)

With mouth still full of toothpaste foam, I dip my brush in Es and brush again.

Try that one Jingthing.

[lelle]

My dentist recommend  https://www.lazada.co.th/products/waterpik-ultra-professional-water-flosser-660uk-hola-hifi-i422468189-s810538771.html?spm=spm%3Da2o4m.order_details.item_title.1

only used it for a week but it feel good

[Jingthing]

Interesting video. Clove which is part of the gum toothpaste I'm using is mentioned. Anyone tried coconut oil pulling?

 

 

[jayboy]

On 11/27/2019 at 9:26 AM, NightSky said:

On 11/27/2019 at 8:54 AM, Searat7 said:

 

I was told the problem with paradontax is that the fluoride in it destroys tooth enamel causing yellowing.

Unless you can provide some unimpeachable evidence that this internationally recognised brand destroys enamel, your comment on is "problems" is completely worthless.

[NotYourBusiness]

Make sure you get enough Vitamin C. The sailors of 300 years ago would have lost their teeth no matter how much flossing, clove, salt water, you name it. Make sure you address any dietary causes first. Particularly since it's so easy.

[mindovermatter]

I use Sensodyne ever since and I'm satisfied with it.