bristolboy Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, owl sees all said: I've been a vice chair in a London constituency, and have campaigned alongside Ken L and George G. Although i've been in Thailand for some years now I still keep myself informed. I'm a fully paid-up Labour member. The amount of anti-Jewish occurrences in my time I could count on one hand. It depends on how you define anti-semitism. There are some people who invoke the sinister influence of the Rothschilds but don't believe that they are being anti-semitic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 56 minutes ago, vogie said: the antisemetic problem What is the "problem"? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post toast1 Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 >The amount of anti-Jewish occurrences in my time I could count on one hand. I think we have found the first man with 400 fingers on one hand. There have been hundreds of reported incidents of antisemitism in the Labour party in the last 2 years. These have been widely reported in all areas of the press and admitted by the Labour party its self. The Rothchilds Jew hate banker conspiracy myth has been around for hundreds of years. the idea that a sinister, evil, corrupt and secret family of Jews control the world. It doesn't get any more stupid and racist than this. 1 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, Number 6 said: What is the "problem"? The Labour Party didn't have a "problem" with antisemetism untill the likes of Corbyn and McDonnall took over the leadership of the Labour Party, now you must ask yourself why things have changed, it must be noted though that no matter how big the "problem" is, for some reason some people will always turn the other cheek, what happened the last time people turned the other cheek and said there was no problem. This is not only opposing groups that are saying this, some members of his own party are saying this too, wake up and smell the coffee. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Jews face hatred from the left and the right. Possibly in the UK now the bigger problem is from the left. In the US the bigger problem now is from the right although there are some troubling signs of increase on the left. While it is true that criticism of Israel is not Jew hatred per se, there are many instances where Jew hatred bleeds into such criticism. It's easy to enough to tell the difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post marqus12 Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Jews face hatred from the left and the right. Possibly in the UK now the bigger problem is from the left. In the US the bigger problem now is from the right although there are some troubling signs of increase on the left. 55555 Edited November 26, 2019 by marqus12 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, marqus12 said: 55555 Yeah antisemitism is really funny. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post owl sees all Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, toast1 said: There have been hundreds of reported incidents of antisemitism in the Labour party in the last 2 years. These have been widely reported in all areas of the press and admitted by the Labour party its self. I have not heard of these 'hundreds of reported incidents'. I don't use the word anti-semitism myself. IMO, that is a nonsense, and the next thing you know someone will insist that being anti Israel is somehow racist. I am talking anti-Jewish incidents; not what someone has tweeted about Israel. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marqus12 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, Jingthing said: Yeah antisemitism is really funny. thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Number 6 said: Guess he'll be voting for Boris / Conservatives then. No? Just more complaining I suspect. Spot on . JC. is quite content in his role, as inactive opossition to the goverment. Tory party , what an easy ride they have had .. Edited November 26, 2019 by elliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyboy2018 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, rayluttman said: Is there anything wrong with that? someone has to speak up for the poor bastards. Hamas and Hizbollah are not poor. But they are judaphobic to the core and now Corbyn and his extremist party leadership are in bed with these terrorists who even terrorize their own people. 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 hours ago, canthai55 said: Same Old Same Old Anyone who opposes what Israel has done, is doing, and will continue to do to the Palestinians is IMMEDIATELY branded an Anti Semite Keep making these baseless, ignorant remarks and you will not see a decrease in Antisemitism but an increase as more and more people see for themselves what the agenda is. We Can Do no Wrong ! End of ... Interesting logic. You are correct, it IS unfair to accuse people of being bigots based on their politics. I wonder how your logic would apply to Brexit? Same Old Same Old Anyone who opposes what Remainers have done, are doing, and will continue to do is IMMEDIATELY branded a Racist Keep making these baseless, ignorant remarks and you will not see a decrease in Racism but an increase as more and more people see for themselves what the agenda is. We Can Do no Wrong ! End of ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Jingthing said: Yeah antisemitism is really funny. Antisemitism is vile. Some people posting on this thread might want to think very carefully before trivializing it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast1 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Same Old Same Old Anyone who opposes the sewer of extreme anti-Israel anti-Jewish hatred currently popular in the British Labour party is IMMEDIATELY branded as making unfounded Anti Semite accusations. Keep making these baseless, ignorant remarks and you will not see an increase in freeedom but an increase in racist hatred and fear. As the Rabbi said, what starts with the Jews, does not end with the Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 hours ago, nkg said: Interesting logic. You are correct, it IS unfair to accuse people of being bigots based on their politics. I wonder how your logic would apply to Brexit? Same Old Same Old Anyone who opposes what Remainers have done, are doing, and will continue to do is IMMEDIATELY branded a Racist Keep making these baseless, ignorant remarks and you will not see a decrease in Racism but an increase as more and more people see for themselves what the agenda is. We Can Do no Wrong ! End of ... Like you said, interesting logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamahele Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: ‘Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, a veteran campaigner for Palestinian rights’. Nuff said. One can be for Palestinian rights and not be anti Semitic. This being said, I'm not saying the Labour party doesn't have anti semitic support from inside and outside. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 hours ago, nkg said: Antisemitism is vile. Some people posting on this thread might want to think very carefully before trivializing it. And by extension, the accusation of antisemitism needs to be thoroughly justifiable before being leveled. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: And by extension, the accusation of antisemitism needs to be thoroughly justifiable before being leveled. Indeed. But perhaps not so thoroughly that nobody can be accused of being an antisemite. Remain supporters have frequently called Leave supporters "racists" without any real justification. There are hundreds of examples of Remain supporters calling the working classes "racist" on this forum alone. Words like "racist" and "antisemite" are very powerful, and very dangerous when used without justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, nkg said: Indeed. But perhaps not so thoroughly that nobody can be accused of being an antisemite. Remain supporters have frequently called Leave supporters "racists" without any real justification. There are hundreds of examples of Remain supporters calling the working classes "racist" on this forum alone. Words like "racist" and "antisemite" are very powerful, and very dangerous when used without justification. You are wandering off topic with your Brexit stuff (which incidentally is a mischaracterization in its own right). Bring it up in the relevant discussion and bring alongside supporting evidence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 14 hours ago, rayluttman said: Is there anything wrong with that? someone has to speak up for the poor bastards. But not a terrorist loving anti Western anti Semitic Marxist trying to buy the UK Muslim vote at any price. 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You are wandering off topic with your Brexit stuff (which incidentally is a mischaracterization in its own right). Bring it up in the relevant discussion and bring alongside supporting evidence. Can we see your supporting evidence that Israel are behind these anti semitic discussions aimed at discrediting Corbyn? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: And by extension, the accusation of antisemitism needs to be thoroughly justifiable before being leveled. Are you saying you've researched all the cases being accused and found them not justified? Or simply making the suggestion hoping readers will make that assumption as it's expedient for your political sympathies? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I have said this before and will say it again. Where is the evidence for antisemitism in the Labour party? I see plenty of accusations but no-one ever provides evidence. The same thing applies to accusations of anti muslim sentiment within the conservative party. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, kamahele said: One can be for Palestinian rights and not be anti Semitic. This being said, I'm not saying the Labour party doesn't have anti semitic support from inside and outside. The current Labour Party and its NEC are dominated by former Socialist Worker Party and Militant Tendency extremists re-branded as Momentum. They are very intolerant of any elements and individuals within the party who challenge Corbyn and his leadership team and policies. I would suggest many Jewish party members, MP's and prosepective candidates will have issues with some of Corbyn's policies given their more traditional socialist roots. As a collective, the issue then becomes magnified because of the very pro-Palestinian, Pro-Islam stance adopted by the Corbynistas. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, Rookiescot said: I have said this before and will say it again. Where is the evidence for antisemitism in the Labour party? I see plenty of accusations but no-one ever provides evidence. The same thing applies to accusations of anti muslim sentiment within the conservative party. If you are interested then do some serious research. You might start with the heckling of one Jewish MP in the presence of Corbyn. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: If you are interested then do some serious research. You might start with the heckling of one Jewish MP in the presence of Corbyn. What was he being heckled over? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkg Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You are wandering off topic with your Brexit stuff (which incidentally is a mischaracterization in its own right). Bring it up in the relevant discussion and bring alongside supporting evidence. You can surely see what I am driving at. Remainers thought that it was OK to call Leavers "racist". Now that Conservatives (mostly Leavers) are calling Labour (mostly Remainers) "racist/antisemitic", suddenly it is unfair to call people bigots without any justification. "Turnabout is fair play" is the expression that comes to mind. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 16 hours ago, snoop1130 said: What will become of Jews and Judaism in Britain if the Labour Party forms the next government? another bleeding heart minority group 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: I have said this before and will say it again. Where is the evidence for antisemitism in the Labour party? I see plenty of accusations but no-one ever provides evidence. The same thing applies to accusations of anti muslim sentiment within the conservative party. Your comments are right up there with the holocaust deniers, what holocaust? what 6 million Jews? all lies and fabrication and Corbyn is not an anti-Semite, anti Zionist, friend and panderer of known terrorists right?... 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ezzra said: Your comments are right up there with the holocaust deniers, what holocaust? what 6 million Jews? all lies and fabrication and Corbyn is not an anti-Semite, anti Zionist, friend and panderer of known terrorists right?... Please point out where I have EVER denied the holocaust? Go ahead and show evidence that supports your views that myself and Corbyn are antisemitic. Not got any? Didnt stop you going ahead and labeling me as one though did it? Edited November 27, 2019 by Rookiescot 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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