Activist Thunberg completes intercontinental dash to Madrid climate summit

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the communist party or the IPPC

Well, I'd have never have guessed that! IPAC?

[FarFlungFalang]

On 12/7/2019 at 11:27 AM, RickBradford said:

I object strongly to these professional activists manipulating a vulnerable teenager, who has some considerable personal problems, purely as a pawn in the service of emotional blackmail to try and push their agenda on the world.

 

It is reprehensible.

As a sixteen year old girl she wouldn't be normal if she didn't have considerable personal issues.I wonder if we haven't been the subject of some major manipulation by big companies to accept the use of the products that pollute the world.I'm not very concerned with climate change as the the planet has survived much worse cataclysms in it's past and has recovered remarkably well.I do however think it's high time we cleaned up our act just to enjoy the beauty of this planet instead of living in a global rubbish dump so that some can make a quick buck. 

[evadgib]

On 12/7/2019 at 12:19 PM, DannyCarlton said:

A middle aged conservative Aussie newscaster proving my point in post #62. 555

One of many with whom i agree.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

One of many with whom i agree.

I know that.

 

https://qz.com/1719873/greta-thunberg-comes-under-attack-from-misogynistic-men/

 

 

[evadgib]

21 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I know that.

 

https://qz.com/1719873/greta-thunberg-comes-under-attack-from-misogynistic-men/

How does that repeat link make you any more right than anyone holding an opposite view?

[JAG]

Umm,  shouldn't  she be at school? 

[torturedsole]

8 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

The call for suppression of debate all too common when people fight back againt the common orthodoxy and bullying of extreme political views and lies,   often views promoted by a messianic leader. What next? Book burning?

Agreed and as ridiculous as the settled science nonsense.  I'm not buying it.  

[faraday]

I get somewhat fed up that if you don't agree 100% with this CC theory, then you're against it.

 

And another thing that irritates me, is that the people who don't agree are: " middle aged men" as if somehow, they don't know anything.

 

The way this 16 y.o. girl is being almost deified, astounds me - mostly by, it seems, the wealthy middle class.

 

As for the 97%.... laughable, as has been shown earlier.

 

Btw, haven't seen Chomper weighing in, yet. ????

[torturedsole]

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

Yes, that's why 97% of relevant scientists agree on manmade climate change. And that includes the well known very liberal ones at NASA.

97% of [carefully selected] relevant scientists, then please specifically name the 3% or irrelevant scientists, just for a laugh. 

 

Let's add some additional weight as I know that when I was a kid any mention of NASA got us all on our feet, but I'm not a kid anymore.  

[BritManToo]

20 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

when I was a kid any mention of NASA got us all on our feet,

NASA was relevant in the 1970s, but they haven't done anything for the last 50 years worth commenting.

[brokenbone]

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

NASA was relevant in the 1970s, but they haven't done anything for the last 50 years worth commenting.

imo, they still do important work, but the climate department clearly arent

above misinformation including tampering with data to get a bigger allowance.

unfortunately this climate scare mongering has caused politicians to

fund this narrow and relatively insignificant area of research more

then most other fields, and NASA is just happily raking in the funding

unconcerned of their own dignity

[stevenl]

Yes, it is not easy if one has to try and belittle a reputable organisation like NASA, just because science doesn't agree with one's opinions.

[torturedsole]

18 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, it is not easy if one has to try and belittle a reputable organisation like NASA, just because science doesn't agree with one's opinions.

Reputable until they aren't.  They're not god-like.  

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

Reputable until they aren't.  They're not god-like.  

They're for any reasonable thinking person much more reputable than a bunch of anonymous TVF posters.

[brokenbone]

31 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, it is not easy if one has to try and belittle a reputable organisation like NASA, just because science doesn't agree with one's opinions.

NASA reputation is trashed ever since james hansen was caught red handed with lying

[nauseus]

On 12/7/2019 at 4:24 PM, Catoni said:

Greta is 16....or is she 17 now? Didn’t she just have a birthday?

   In any case, in my country she would be an adult, with driver’s license, old enough to join the military, and get a firearms permit. Not a child.

    And if you wish to get up on the world stage and try to lecture everyone from your privileged rich position when you play truant from high school and wear ANTIFA t-shirts with your Marxist parents, you’d better be willing to take criticism.  

    Or stay off the world stage, stay home and stay in school. 

    In my case, I’m against both Communism and Fascism...against every extreme. I’m also not an anarchist. We need government. But very small controlled government that obeys simple common sense laws like everyone else. 

     I’ve seen the horrors that Facism, Nazism, and Socialism/Communism have done. They all sicken me. 

   

Which one is her dad?

[sunnyboy2018]

7 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

No doubt you found out by his own admission he raped his family maid and in Cuba his role was as executioner, some hero! The Thunberg kid is a victim to be pitied, not hated as some seem to think she is

I think people find her irritating.  Nobody likes to be preached at least of all by a spoilt brat who seems oblivious to the aspirations of poor people throughout the world who can only envy her wealth. She seems tone deaf and blind to her own privilege and entitled lifestyle. She needs psychiatric help and like all such unfortunates she does not deserve hate but nor do the people who disagree with her.

[DannyCarlton]

11 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

I think people find her irritating.  Nobody likes to be preached at least of all by a spoilt brat who seems oblivious to the aspirations of poor people throughout the world who can only envy her wealth. She seems tone deaf and blind to her own privilege and entitled lifestyle. She needs psychiatric help and like all such unfortunates she does not deserve hate but nor do the people who disagree with her.

https://qz.com/1719873/greta-thunberg-comes-under-attack-from-misogynistic-men/

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

I think people find her irritating.  Nobody likes to be preached at least of all by a spoilt brat who seems oblivious to the aspirations of poor people throughout the world who can only envy her wealth. She seems tone deaf and blind to her own privilege and entitled lifestyle. She needs psychiatric help and like all such unfortunates she does not deserve hate but nor do the people who disagree with her.

I don't agree with Greta, and i don't agree with you too.

Your post is tasteless.

[brokenbone]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

https://qz.com/1719873/greta-thunberg-comes-under-attack-from-misogynistic-men/

in that deep analysis, i read the essence of the theory:

 

At a deep level, the language of climate denialism is tied up with a form of masculine identity predicated on modern industrial capitalism—specifically, the Promethean idea of the conquest of nature by man, in a world especially made for men.

 

thats deep man, but 'climate denialism' wut m8 ?! care to elaborate ?

tied up with a form of masculine identity u say ?

is this some form of expressing penis jealousy ?

or is there an even deeper interpretation of this incoherent ramble ?

 

ed: LOL, i just read the abstract in that link, and it was the same author

in both links, camilla nelson, apparently some kind of artist

that wishes to distill art, science & politics into a single theory.

 

Abstract

This article considers the strange confluence of the rhetoric of creativity and commerce at key points across the “Great Acceleration”. It argues that although the idea of creativity has its most common contemporary expression in art, it does not in fact emerge from the discourse of art. Rather, the idea of creativity as a specifically human possession emerges from the discourse of nature at the end of the eighteenth century, and particularly in the proliferation of natural scientific ideas about “natural creation”. It argues that if a global response to climate change necessitates a more enlightened remaking of ideas, industries and communities, then one of the ideas that must be “remade” is the Promethean aspect of the idea of creativity, and the relationship it articulates between human beings and the planetary environment we inhabit.

 

 

[torturedsole]

Let's pare this subject back to where it belongs.

 

There's not a hope in hell of managing climate change as it's unmanageable - always has been and always will.  What we can do is do better for environmental reasons.  Simple steps in recycling our waste but not entirely sure, at least in the UK, that the local council bodies are 100% recycling the waste that they pick up.  We're stymied in that regard.  

[khaowong1]

15 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

China and India have fully signed on to the climate change accord and are making efforts to reduce their emmissions. The US however has pulled out of the climate change accord and Trump has made it his ambition to make the US "The biggest, best, most wonderful polluter in the World, MAGA". He's well on target to achieve his ambition.

From what I read, China and India aren't putting in their fair share, and basically, that's what we and President Trump wants.  

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

Let's pare this subject back to where it belongs.

 

There's not a hope in hell of managing climate change as it's unmanageable - always has been and always will.  What we can do is do better for environmental reasons.  Simple steps in recycling our waste but not entirely sure, at least in the UK, that the local council bodies are 100% recycling the waste that they pick up.  We're stymied in that regard.  

Nonsense, we're causing it.

[brokenbone]

40 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nonsense, we're causing it.

no, climate changes are primarily driven by sun,

either directly by solar activity or indirectly by milankovitch cycles.

until we alter those two factors, we are just skidding by,

doing our best not to freeze to death in this inter glacial period

[stevenl]

39 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

no, climate changes are primarily driven by sun,

either directly by solar activity or indirectly by milankovitch cycles.

until we alter those two factors, we are just skidding by,

doing our best not to freeze to death in this inter glacial period

Sure mate. You and some others om here know better than the experts,

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Sure mate. You and some others om here know better than the experts,

He could be closer to the truth than you think. There are plenty of other experts that are still working on it. 

 

[brokenbone]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Sure mate. You and some others om here know better than the experts,

here is temperature record over past 1 million year, the pleistocene period,

does it fit snuggly with milankovitch cycles ?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record

[faraday]

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

Sure mate. You and some others om here know better than the experts,

Yes, leave it to the boffins my boy.

 

 

[BritManToo]

12 hours ago, stevenl said:

They're for any reasonable thinking person much more reputable than a bunch of anonymous TVF posters.

If NASA disappeared tomorrow, it would be good for science.

Since the moon, in the 1970s, they've blocked all space exploration.

[Saint Nick]

I just came here, to see ignorant adults, attack a child!

I was not disappointed! 

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