Trump poised this week to become third U.S. president impeached

[car720]

I feel sorry for his successor either way.

What a mess.

[justin case]

15 hours ago, J Town said:

Too many people don't understand, once he's impeached, that part is over. Finished. Full stop. Impeached forever in history. What is Bill Clinton most remembered for? The oral impeachment. Trump will be remember for the Ukraine phone call impeachment. The defining moment of his legacy.

bill made millions dollars in bribes, sorry, 100.000$ speeches for an hour by big business

 

his wife only had to give some return to the investors

 

[Mick501]

In a nutshell, Dems have been in high octane tantrum mode since their ineptitude snatched election defeat from the jaws of victory.  Impeachment in this instance is an extension of the "never trump" tantrum.  But we really really really don't like him.  Really really.

 

Of course, it will fail in the senate, and history will record it as another ineffectual Dems tanty.   A political stunt and nothing more.  Certain to backfire at the next election as it highlights that even when the entire Democratic Party sets its mind to a goal, they can not achieve it.

[jany123]

no earthly power can justly call me in question as a delinquent ... no learned lawyer will affirm that an impeachment can lie against the King. 

 

Sounds like DOJ spin, doesn’t it?... but no, that’s King Charles in 1649.... life is circular... history hopefully repeats, but I doubt it, given that some “jurors” have already started announcing their biased finding before the trial.... so in my view, it’s the senate on trial, not the king.

Edited December 17, 2019 by jany123

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

In a nutshell, Dems have been in high octane tantrum mode since their ineptitude snatched election defeat from the jaws of victory.  Impeachment in this instance is an extension of the "never trump" tantrum.  But we really really really don't like him.  Really really.

 

Of course, it will fail in the senate, and history will record it as another ineffectual Dems tanty.   A political stunt and nothing more.  Certain to backfire at the next election as it highlights that even when the entire Democratic Party sets its mind to a goal, they can not achieve it.

Certain to backfire huh? Interesting. How do you know that? Answer -- there is no way for anyone to really know the political consequences of the historic events happening now. Bluster from either side is just empty. But we do have an interesting fact. About 50 percent of the American public supports both impeachment and removal of the current president. That is evidence of some really real REALNESS underlying the effort to give consequences to a president that has CLEARLY violated his oath of office to uphold the constitution. 

[jany123]

1 hour ago, alex8912 said:

You see Bill Clinton over the past several years on many popular TV shows both late night and daytime, always received quite well. He is almost more popular after leaving the White House.

Of course he’s more popular... fer crissake, the man got a (consensual) blowie in the Oval Office and got away with it. Legend

 

now your trump... well... whole different story, innit?

 

but trumpophiles take heart.... here we see the possibility of the trump actually becoming the first at something. If nothing else, it will get him that coveted spot on the cover of all the best magazines.... no matter how it goes, for the next fifty years or more, the trump will be the impeachment poster boy of america.

 

 

[Mick501]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Certain to backfire huh? Interesting. How do you know that? Answer -- there is no way for anyone to really know the political consequences of the historic events happening now. Bluster from either side is just empty. But we do have an interesting fact. About 50 percent of the American public supports both impeachment and removal of the current president. That is evidence of some really real REALNESS underlying the effort to give consequences to a president that has CLEARLY violated his oath of office to uphold the constitution. 

Any investigation can be tailored to present the facts you want and achieve any goal you like.  In this case there has been a concerted effort by the prosecutor over many years.  Hardly impartial, and denied by President Trump.  

 

You are right, the outcome can not be known with certainty.  But when you hold the balance of power and a 2/3 majority needed, that seems like pissing in the wind, even if the facts were definitively known.  If Pelosi refers it, that puts President Trump back in the drivers seat and becomes his chance to author the investigation.

 

happy to take a bet with you on this.  I'll wave to you as you run naked down Sukhumvit.

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

In a nutshell, Dems have been in high octane tantrum mode since their ineptitude snatched election defeat from the jaws of victory.  Impeachment in this instance is an extension of the "never trump" tantrum.  But we really really really don't like him.  Really really.

 

Of course, it will fail in the senate, and history will record it as another ineffectual Dems tanty.   A political stunt and nothing more.  Certain to backfire at the next election as it highlights that even when the entire Democratic Party sets its mind to a goal, they can not achieve it.

You just stating the obvious. If the Dems don’t go into high octane after their lost, they failed to represent the majority who voted for them. Don’t you think it’s a tad obvious they don’t like him? There are those who called him a kook, crazy and not fit to lead. Oh, that was Lindsey, 

[jany123]

28 minutes ago, justin case said:

bill made millions dollars in bribes, sorry, 100.000$ speeches for an hour by big business

 

his wife only had to give some return to the investors

 

He was an amateur.... chump change... selling ambassadorships for a million, that’s were it’s at.

[Dumbastheycome]

I find it strange that so many persist in comparisons of the impeachment of Clinton with  that of this current attempt on Trump.

Clinton demeaned  himself by creating hypocritical outrage over a an issue that hardly questioned the national security of the USA.

Why avoid the comparison  with Nixon who only evaded impeachment and inevitable Senate conviction by doing a runner ?

The  base issues  for Trump absolutely call into question issues  of national  concern but the investigation of  has been thwarted by refusals to comply with legitimate legal process. Trump has put himself above the law in defiance of the  Constitution.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Any investigation can be tailored to present the facts you want and achieve any goal you like.  In this case there has been a concerted effort by the prosecutor over many years.  Hardly impartial, and denied by President Trump.  

 

You are right, the outcome can not be known with certainty.  But when you hold the balance of power and a 2/3 majority needed, that seems like pissing in the wind, even if the facts were definitively known.  If Pelosi refers it, that puts President Trump back in the drivers seat and becomes his chance to author the investigation.

 

happy to take a bet with you on this.  I'll wave to you as you run naked down Sukhumvit.

Oh geez! 

You're talking about an entirely different thing! 

Not cool. 

Obviously the senate won't remove him if Pelosi sends the impeachment to trial. 

The comment was about the POLITICAL consequences going forward as in the 2020 election for the presidency, house, senate, etc. 

Please don't bother proposing bets to me about that either. Nobody knows. 

[JHolmesJr]

The first totally partisan fuelled impeachment move in history.

 

All done just to secure a soundbite that will air in Dem TV ads and talking points.

 

No other accomplishments except...see, we kept our promise from 3 years ago...we impeached the mfkr.

Edited December 17, 2019 by JHolmesJr

[Mick501]

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[Sheryl]

I'm always a bit amused to hear news broadcasts saying "only the 3rd President ever to be impeached".

 

We have only had 45 Presidents.  So running around 7%. Not so terribly rare an event.

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

I find it strange that so many persist in comparisons of the impeachment of Clinton with  that of this current attempt on Trump.

Clinton demeaned  himself by creating hypocritical outrage over a an issue that hardly questioned the national security of the USA.

Why avoid the comparison  with Nixon who only evaded impeachment and inevitable Senate conviction by doing a runner ?

The  base issues  for Trump absolutely call into question issues  of national  concern but the investigation of  has been thwarted by refusals to comply with legitimate legal process. Trump has put himself above the law in defiance of the  Constitution.

What legitimate legal process is that,abusing subpoenas! The framers envision the executive branch and the congress to have disagreements . They created a third branch to settle those ! Please pay attention ! That's  constitutional!

Edited December 17, 2019 by riclag

[Mick501]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You just stating the obvious. If the Dems don’t go into high octane after their lost, they failed to represent the majority who voted for them. Don’t you think it’s a tad obvious they don’t like him? There are those who called him a kook, crazy and not fit to lead. Oh, that was Lindsey, 

Sore loser much?  You should read up on how the voting system works.

[englishoak]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

Good!

Stupid is as stupid does. 

I agree, it guarantees Trumps relection in 2020... 

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Sore loser much?  You should read up on how the voting system works.

I do marvel why the greatest democracy in the world have an indirect voting system as against direct voting system of popular votes like most countries in the world. Just rhetorical.  

[uli65]

it is very funny to see some people really believe Trump will be impeached. 

I enjoy to watch this weird show. the impeachment will never happen.

[brewsterbudgen]

25 minutes ago, uli65 said:

it is very funny to see some people really believe Trump will be impeached. 

I enjoy to watch this weird show. the impeachment will never happen.

It's almost a certainty he will be impeached.  And just as likely he will be acquitted in the Senate.  But that won't alter the fact that he will be the 3rd President to be impeached, and likely the first impeached President to be re-elected!

[Dumbastheycome]

43 minutes ago, riclag said:

What legitimate legal process is that,abusing subpoenas! The framers envision the executive branch and the congress to have disagreements . They created a third branch to settle those ! Please pay attention ! That's  constitutional!

Where is evidence of abuse? Congress is empowered  to issue subpoenas to attain access to tangible evidence either  by witness or documents. Disagreement between Congress and the Executive Branch of the White House (assuming that is the executive  branch  you refer to) would  infer a process of debate as to  good  cause in  due process.

What has been observed is a simple block and denial as  Contempt  of Congress.

Is that constitutional?

[J Town]

28 minutes ago, uli65 said:

it is very funny to see some people really believe Trump will be impeached. 

I enjoy to watch this weird show. the impeachment will never happen.

Did you post this just to get a rise out of people or do you really not understand the process? It is already a foregone conclusion Trump will be impeached. It's all but done, just waiting for the perfunctory performance of a vote. The removal by the senate is the next step, and they've already said they won't do it, even before seeing any evidence. This is absolutely the definition of a kangaroo court and makes a mockery of the entire senate. Rest assured, he WILL be impeached. Nothing the senate can do will change that.

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

 About 50 percent of the American public supports both impeachment and removal of the current president.

 

Awwwww!!!!!

 

"Support for impeaching Trump and removing him from office stands at 45% in the new poll, down from 50% in a poll conducted in mid-November just after the conclusion of the House Intelligence Committee's public hearings. Opposition to impeachment and removal stands at 47% in the new poll, up from 43% in November. Support for impeachment and removal among Democrats has dipped from 90% in November to 77% now."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/impeachment-poll-cnn/index.html

 

 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2019 by JHolmesJr

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It's almost a certainty he will be impeached.  And just as likely he will be acquitted in the Senate.  But that won't alter the fact that he will be the 3rd President to be impeached, and likely the first impeached President to be re-elected!

Really an absurd situation to have an impeached President even running for office. The fact that he didn’t even win the popular vote should give anyone pause to reconsider. But not for narcissistic Trump.  

[JHolmesJr]

Hahahahaha....

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-democrats-vow-to-continue-impeachment-investigations-regardless-of-senate-outcome?%3Futm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Hahahahaha....

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-democrats-vow-to-continue-impeachment-investigations-regardless-of-senate-outcome?%3Futm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

Why wouldn't they? Witnesses were blocked. If they open up, there is clearly more to find. 

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Hahahahaha....

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-democrats-vow-to-continue-impeachment-investigations-regardless-of-senate-outcome?%3Futm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

Sure thing mate.

Hahahahaha indeed!

51 percent favor impeachment AND removal.

FOX.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/new-fox-news-poll-on-impeachment-contradicts-the-view-of-its-most-loyal-viewer-president-trump-165743309.html

 

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New Fox News poll on impeachment contradicts its most loyal viewer — President Trump

 

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Edited December 17, 2019 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

I was looking for a BASELINE of "normal" pro impeachment sentiment with any president. I just found on wiki that about 1/3 of the country supported impeaching Obama who obviously didn't commit any impeachable offenses. That's an interesting baseline considering 45's dreadful (for him) numbers. Keep in mind we're talking about the USA where you can get a significant percentage of support for things like the earth is flat, HIV isn't caused by a virus, men never walked on the moon, etc. 

[JHolmesJr]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sure thing mate.

Hahahahaha indeed!

51 percent favor impeachment AND removal.

FOX.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/new-fox-news-poll-on-impeachment-contradicts-the-view-of-its-most-loyal-viewer-president-trump-165743309.html

 

 

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Awwww...a liberal quoting Fox News...hahahaha.....you do know their methodology has been found to

oversample democrats like yourself while under representing Republicans and Independent voters. Common knowledge ????

 

https://nypost.com/2019/10/12/fox-news-pollster-braun-research-misrepresented-impeachment-poll-analysis/

 

Edited December 17, 2019 by JHolmesJr

[jany123]

39 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Hahahahaha....

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-democrats-vow-to-continue-impeachment-investigations-regardless-of-senate-outcome?%3Futm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

Y’all cheerfully point out that the trump will persist in fighting court decisions right up to the Supreme Court.... but if the dems wish to continue pursuing an obstructed investigation, y’all cry like babies. Hypocrite much?