UK PM Johnson plans to block extension of Brexit transition beyond 2020

[david555]

2 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Thats not upto me im a supporter of Scotland going as im an English nationalist... however, they were clearly told and agreed with it being a once in a generation option... they already chose to stay. I cant argue with the peoples choice and they spoke clearly. 

 

As for solitude you have to be joking, theres the commonwealth and the EU and all the rest we have been in relations with for hundreds of years and will continue to be... we are leaving the EU not planet earth. 

Does that still exists the commonwealth? I forgot it almost ..., and the pearl on the crown ..India … still yours ? …. , oh you should make an inventory of those as it could help to impress on your coming talks …(chuckles)

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

Links don't stay alive forever , newspaper links change very quick sometimes because their changed web pages layout , and some here call in last resort if they don't like the topic,... for links...

I find pdf very handy , as can show the whole article and highlight the important lines .

Above all  anyone can choose to read , or to ignore ….. don't like the courtesy ??

I can't afford Adobe Bold Extra

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4 minutes ago, david555 said:

Does that still exists the commonwealth? I forgot it almost ..., and the pearl on the crown ..India … still yours ? …. , oh you should make an inventory of those as it could help to impress on your coming talks …(chuckles)

Yes, Chuckles. The Commonwealth consists of 53 countries with 2.4 billion people that have voluntarily chosen to a maintain political and general association with the UK.

 

Impressive? I think so, all things considered. 

[nauseus]

31 minutes ago, david555 said:

about their exchange rate and your quoting they shall be very happy and understanding to read that ????, but of course all have fat pensions as all here are SAS forces here ….. at least on Soi Buakhao area  AND not frozen …, so overwhelming happy with the Boris victory exchange rate result... and it is just only a few day ...

Buakhao has some great breakfast deals.... no fat pensions...only fat pensioners.

[englishoak]

Just now, david555 said:

Does that still exists the commonwealth? I forgot it almost ..., and the pearl on the crown ..India … still yours ? …. , oh you should make an inventory of those as it could help to impress on your coming talks …(chuckles)

 

You are being childish and are a very bad loser yknow, once again we are out, get used to having the worlds 5th biggest economy giving its attention to making itself a continued success... 

 

Boris i have to admit is one of the most positive characters in gov we have ever had, that is all going to filter down and rub off, it did ( surprisingly ) when he was London Mayor and it will for the country. Never bet against Britain overcoming a challenge, the bigger the challenge the greater the resolve, especially in a positive thinking one.. ???? 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

44 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Thats not upto me im a supporter of Scotland going as im an English nationalist... however, they were clearly told and agreed with it being a once in a generation option... they already chose to stay. I cant argue with the peoples choice and they spoke clearly. 

Who told us that it was once in a generation, who agreed to it, and how was this stipulation formally adopted into a binding resolution?

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Who told us that it was once in a generation, who agreed to it, and how was this stipulation formally adopted into a binding resolution?

All parties involved made it quite plain. You know it, and I know it....No point trying to debate the point with me I want Scotland gone as much as you the only difference is, we won our referendum to leave while you lot didnt ... look to your own peoples for the failure and blame, it lays only with yourselves. 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

I can't afford Adobe Bold Extra

Have a look at FoxitPhantom PDF or Nitro as they are both OK and both have basic versions for free.

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Have a look at FoxitPhantom PDF or Nitro as they are both OK and both have basic versions for free.

The reply was sarcastic (shock-horror) but thanks, I'll have a look.

[david555]

2 hours ago, englishoak said:

 

You are being childish and are a very bad loser yknow, once again we are out, get used to having the worlds 5th biggest economy giving its attention to making itself a continued success... 

 

Boris i have to admit is one of the most positive characters in gov we have ever had, that is all going to filter down and rub off, it did ( surprisingly ) when he was London Mayor and it will for the country. Never bet against Britain overcoming a challenge, the bigger the challenge the greater the resolve, especially in a positive thinking one.. ???? 

 

 

When I read those answers from you ,that tale about the frog who blow himself up.,comes in my mind ….????

Bad looser ..me ? I am not a remainer …. so where I loose , I am only   a looser if your side succeed in cherry picking , then I consider  on loosing ….. wont happen meeting the brick wall

Edited December 21, 2019 by david555

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed.  

 

[sandyf]

On 12/19/2019 at 5:09 PM, billd766 said:

Actually Sandy there are very few people (and none on TVF) who know exactly what 2020 will bring from Boris. It will be the end of 2020 before we know what he has promised and kept or didn't didn't keep.

 

Absolutely spot on Bill, the problem is that certain outcomes have a higher probability than others, on Thursday what were the odds on the WA not getting voted through.

There are some that if they do not like the probability of that outcome they try and discredit the messenger.

It is a fact that offshore fishing is diametrically opposed to the rest of the Scottish fishing industry so there must be a compromise to keep some sort of balanced employment in all sectors, and the tastiest morsel on the plate is fishing rights.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Absolutely spot on Bill, the problem is that certain outcomes have a higher probability than others, on Thursday what were the odds on the WA not getting voted through.

There are some that if they do not like the probability of that outcome they try and discredit the messenger.

It is a fact that offshore fishing is diametrically opposed to the rest of the Scottish fishing industry so there must be a compromise to keep some sort of balanced employment in all sectors, and the tastiest morsel on the plate is fishing rights.

That is why we have negotiators, to save poor dumb buggers like me from thinking too much. 

 

There is a pile of stuff from the Torygraph but most seems hidden behind a paywall.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/brexit-negotiations/

[sandyf]

On 12/19/2019 at 3:32 PM, englishoak said:

2  "The UK may also have to make concessions etc 

 

Ive highlighted and underlined the key word...MAY....three times just for you.... I ididnt ignore anything and once again you are trying to make possibilities facts.. they arnt. Have a great day. 

 "The UK may also have to make concessions on EU demands to continue fishing access in British waters."

 

The above statement comes from Post No 173, an article brought to the forum by another member.

It is a blatant lie to say it is from me, but what we have come expect from a certain mentality.

 

 

[englishoak]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

 "The UK may also have to make concessions on EU demands to continue fishing access in British waters."

 

The above statement comes from Post No 173, an article brought to the forum by another member.

It is a blatant lie to say it is from me, but what we have come expect from a certain mentality.

 

 

 

I didnt say it was from you, but you did quote it at me so i replied to you... 

 

Your a rather fragile chap arnt you ?  Worlds tiniest violin concerto ensues 

[sandyf]

28 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

I didnt say it was from you, but you did quote it at me so i replied to you... 

 

Your a rather fragile chap arnt you ?  Worlds tiniest violin concerto ensues 

Excuses - it's a lie. "once again you are trying to make possibilities facts.. they arnt."

I accept the fact that you may be unable to differentiate between fact and fiction.

Edited December 24, 2019 by sandyf

[sandyf]

14 hours ago, billd766 said:

That is why we have negotiators, to save poor dumb buggers like me from thinking too much. 

 

There is a pile of stuff from the Torygraph but most seems hidden behind a paywall.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/brexit-negotiations/

Quite Bill, a lot now want you to register or subscribe.

I watched some of Victoria Derbyshire last night and she was catching up on some the year's highlights. One of the items she showed was one of the "Election blind dates", it was Ken Clarke and Alastair Campbell. Quite amazing that a long time conservative and a Labour spin doctor agreed on virtually everything, both saying that Labour were on a hiding to nothing with JC as leader, and Johnson was like a kid with a new toy. Only thing Campbell  disagreed was Ken Clarke being health secretary as a lifelong smoker. An interesting clip.

[Laughing Gravy]

On 12/21/2019 at 1:04 PM, nauseus said:

Yes, Chuckles. The Commonwealth consists of 53 countries with 2.4 billion people that have voluntarily chosen to a maintain political and general association with the UK.

 

Impressive? I think so, all things considered. 

You would think that the poster who his Dutch, has nothing better to do with his time than fixate on UK politics would know that fact. I think he should stop his obsession as he fast looking rather creapy.

[Laughing Gravy]

On 12/21/2019 at 3:38 PM, david555 said:

When I read those answers from you ,that tale about the frog who blow himself up.,comes in my mind ….????

Bad looser ..me ? I am not a remainer …. so where I loose , I am only   a looser if your side succeed in cherry picking , then I consider  on loosing ….. wont happen meeting the brick wall

You have already lost, your EU contributions are going up and a whole load of other factors. One of the most important contributor and more importantly the rest of the EU countries and world see how the EU operate and it is not a professional look at that.

 

Can't wait to see the Dutch and Spanish stop raping the UK fishing waters among other things but that will be a good start.

Edited December 26, 2019 by Laughing Gravy

[david555]

9 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You have already lost, your EU contributions are going up and a whole load of other factors. One of the most important contributor and more importantly the rest of the EU countries and world see how the EU operate and it is not a professional look at that.

 

Can't wait to see the Dutch and Spanish stop raping the UK fishing waters among other things but that will be a good start.

A Christmas present ...

What next boris.pdf

Edited December 26, 2019 by david555

[Laughing Gravy]

8 minutes ago, david555 said:

A Christmas present ...

What next boris.pdf 167.55 kB · 0 downloads

I was always told don't take presents from strange men. But thanks anyway.

 

[RuamRudy]

37 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You would think that the poster who his Dutch, has nothing better to do with his time than fixate on UK politics would know that fact. I think he should stop his obsession as he fast looking rather creapy.

So does this mean we will soon stop seeing the desperate posts from Brexiteers predicting the imminent demise of the EU for the thousandth time? That is not only obsessive, it is bordering on pathetic. 

[Pattaya46]

53 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Can't wait to see the Dutch and Spanish stop raping the UK fishing waters among other things but that will be a good start.

You still didn't understood that it will not happen ??

UK signed long ago agreements at UN level...

 

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a clause of UNCLOS (the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea) that overrides the CFP, and that states that whoever as a nation has habitually fished in waters of another nation has the right to carry on fishing there.

quoted from here. An many EU countries have fished in these waters for centuries !

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You would think that the poster who his Dutch, has nothing better to do with his time than fixate on UK politics would know that fact. I think he should stop his obsession as he fast looking rather creapy.

Just jealous, I imagine.

 

Merry Christmas, Gravy

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

So does this mean we will soon stop seeing the desperate posts from Brexiteers predicting the imminent demise of the EU for the thousandth time? That is not only obsessive, it is bordering on pathetic. 

No connection to the post. The obsessiveness seems to belong with you.

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No connection to the post. The obsessiveness seems to belong with you.

The connection was the questioning of a Dutch person commenting on a British matter. I merely look forward to the 31st January when all Brits will cease discussing matters European. 

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

You still didn't understood that it will not happen ??

UK signed long ago agreements at UN level...

 

quoted from here. An many EU countries have fished in these waters for centuries !

No they haven't.

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The connection was the questioning of a Dutch person commenting on a British matter. I merely look forward to the 31st January when all Brits will cease discussing matters European. 

Well I'm sure the Dutch fella ain't no Brexiteer. 

 

All Brits?? ????

Edited December 26, 2019 by nauseus

[Monomial]

14 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

You still didn't understood that it will not happen ??

UK signed long ago agreements at UN level...

 

14 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

  Quote

a clause of UNCLOS (the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea) that overrides the CFP, and that states that whoever as a nation has habitually fished in waters of another nation has the right to carry on fishing there.

 

quoted from here. An many EU countries have fished in these waters for centuries !

 

That is a very tenuous legal argument. There is a difference between a group "habitually" fishing in waters and a nation state's citizens being licensed to fish in another country's regulated waters by a negotiated treaty.  It is not at all clear the clause above would apply to the UK's situation. Even if some groups may have habitually fished in waters centuries ago, in modern times since fishing was regulated that may no longer be the case legally.

 

However, expect every possible legal angle to be investigated and picked over for any possible advantage  by both sides.  Fishing in UK waters has become a political issue, and the symbolism of it is going to make it much more important to everyone than it would normally be.

 

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

19 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

So does this mean we will soon stop seeing the desperate posts from Brexiteers predicting the imminent demise of the EU for the thousandth time? That is not only obsessive, it is bordering on pathetic. 

RR have you a hangover or ranting for no reason?

I could answer it with will we see less posts of Remainers telling us how we will miss the EU and regret it.

Or how Scotland deserves another referendum and then another and another until some people get the result they want.