EU may need to extend deadline for trade talks with UK: von der Leyen

[SunsetT]

17 hours ago, Basil B said:

Told you so...

 

Boris promised the impossible.

And by doing so sent the pound down again!

[evadgib]

29 minutes ago, SunsetT said:

And by doing so sent the pound down again!

An increasing amount of daylight between Sterling and the Euro will become apparent as the new year unfolds. 

[jesimps]

16 hours ago, samran said:

She’s just being realistic and reasonable. The average trade deal takes years to negotiate and the Brits don’t even know what type of trade deal they want.

 

But alas, Fred down the pub said out is out, and he knows better than those unelected bureaucrats at the coal face who have to sound out industry, develop negotiating positions and balance a huge range of competing positions and stakeholders. 

 

So Fred, in his bar stool wisdom is willing to throw lots of jobs and industry under the bus for a slogan - ‘Get it done’ he says! 

No, she's just being mainland European. Hopeless people to try to deal with, steeped in bureaucracy and take forever to make a decision. I actually think they enjoy procrastination, probably makes them feel orgasmic. I lived in France for a couple of years and I used to break into a cold sweat if I ever had to deal with a bank or local government officials, things you could get done in minutes in the UK took forever over there. Took me ten years to sell a flat and when I did find a buyer, it took about six months from agreeing the sale to completion. I hope Boris tells them what to do with further extensions, looking good for a no deal which will please me no end. 

[Letseng]

18 hours ago, Loiner said:

Luckily, we don't care what most people in the EU want. That's why we are leaving. If they want a deal now, they had better get their negotiating teams up to speed and in a concessionary mood.

Most people in the UK? Well that is probably not the case, and it was a pretty decisive decision a couple of weeks ago. Boris's slogan wasn't "Let's get a deal done."

Boris lied to the people, he did through the whole campaign. 

He never intended to spend all the money he said he would.

[Sydebolle]

Of course the EU tries everything possible to prevent an exit but that decision was taken by the UK citizen and not all those useless crooks in Brussels. Lead by an alcoholic for years who replaced a Maoist Portuguese in taylor-made suits and now run by one of Germany's most inefficiently dangerous women .......

Hope BoJo pulls the whole story through so everybody can get on with their life and the EU cronies can focus on more important things like working for the benefit of their countries. 

[zydeco]

Your Boris is as sneaky and conniving as our Donald. He'll give away your fisheries and pay the EU 39 billion for the privilege of doing so. And then declare it a win.

[Laughing Gravy]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

Now it's all very well to suggest an extension to the transition period and negotiations but will the EU allow this without insisting on continued contributions from the UK?

Where are all the remainers now shouting its a 27 country decision not just one of the 5 unelected presidents saying what they feel.

 

Obviously we all know the 27 do as the Germans tell them and Mrs. VDL is a thoroughbred German.

 

I can see the EU not learning again and will try and frustrate and stifle the process in the belief that they will wake up one day and the UK will be wanting back into their club. We will see how the German economy (oops EU) is doing by the end of 2020.

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Your Boris is as sneaky and conniving as our Donald. He'll give away your fisheries and pay the EU 39 billion for the privilege of doing so. And then declare it a win.

I guess you will be crying again when your Donald wins a second term then.

[zydeco]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I guess you will be crying again when your Donald wins a second term then.

The entire world will be crying if that catastrophe takes place. And if you think he's a true friend of you guys and your Boris, think again. And get ready for the betrayal. That's always up his sleeve. You will pay.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, zydeco said:

The entire world will be crying if that catastrophe takes place. And if you think he's a true friend of you guys and your Boris, think again. And get ready for the betrayal. That's always up his sleeve. You will pay.

I wont be crying and I imagine all that vote for him won't either. Just those who can't accept a democratic process, yet again.

I see you can only use speculations again.

 

It is not for this thread as this is about the EU and UK but nobody can seem to tell me the terrible things that the US president has done in the world, so far.

 

I guess like we have the remainers, the US has a similar political ideology. If we don't win we complain, cry and stamp our feet until we get our own way. Forget a democratic process as we don't care about it.

 

[zydeco]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I wont be crying and I imagine all that vote for him won't either. Just those who can't accept a democratic process, yet again.

I see you can only use speculations again.

 

It is not for this thread as this is about the EU and UK but nobody can seem to tell me the terrible things that the US president has done in the world, so far.

 

I guess like we have the remainers, the US has a similar political ideology. If we don't win we complain, cry and stamp our feet until we get our own way. Forget a democratic process as we don't care about it.

 

I actually think you did yourself good with Brexit. Were I British, I would be happy with it. But I think your leader will betray you.

[evadgib]

24 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I guess you will be crying again when your Donald wins a second term then.

His current predicament guarantees he'll earn a further 4 years from the rank-and-file US electorate.

Edited December 28, 2019 by evadgib

[Laughing Gravy]

Just now, evadgib said:

His current predicament guarantees he'll gain a further 4 years IMO.

Totally agree. That's a lot of hankies getting used in the crying rooms. ????

[Laughing Gravy]

8 minutes ago, zydeco said:

I actually think you did yourself good with Brexit. Were I British, I would be happy with it. But I think your leader will betray you.

You actually said Donald would betray us. Either way everyone is entitled to an opinion. Happy days.

[evadgib]

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

Totally agree. That's a lot of hankies getting used in the crying rooms. ????

The "Someone else's fault" brigade are welcome to pencil an entry for November into their new diaries if they think i'm wrong ????

[zydeco]

7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You actually said Donald would betray us. Either way everyone is entitled to an opinion. Happy days.

I said both of them would. Donald already has betrayed his constituents many times over. I don't believe Boris is made of any better stuff. 

[vogie]

15 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

Yes it is, same as many previous years, and because it's still in EU and Common Market ! We will have to wait probably until end of next year to really start to see bad effects of the Brexit...

This is the first time in my life that I'm actually finding the smell of sour grapes quite exhilarating.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, zydeco said:

I said both of them would. Donald already has betrayed his constituents many times over. I don't believe Boris is made of any better stuff. 

I went back and read it again and pasted it below in italic. Either way it is not that important. Well thankfully in the last GE (a few weeks ago) many Brits disagree with you on Boris and like others have pointed out I believe the USA will vote DT in again.

 

"The entire world will be crying if that catastrophe takes place. And if you think he's a true friend of you guys and your Boris, think again. And get ready for the betrayal. That's always up his sleeve. You will pay".

[zydeco]

7 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I went back and read it again and pasted it below in italic. Either way it is not that important. Well thankfully in the last GE (a few weeks ago) many Brits disagree with you on Boris and like others have pointed out I believe the USA will vote DT in again.

 

"The entire world will be crying if that catastrophe takes place. And if you think he's a true friend of you guys and your Boris, think again. And get ready for the betrayal. That's always up his sleeve. You will pay".

Disingenuous. My first post, above the one you selected, reads as follows: Your Boris is as sneaky and conniving as our Donald. He'll give away your fisheries and pay the EU 39 billion for the privilege of doing so. And then declare it a win.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

Some people make logical decision like grownups. 

And then there are the others...

 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Some people make logical decision like grownups. 

And then there are the others...

You may not like his decisions and may not be to your liking, which may be understandable due to the likelihood of some subscriptions on mainland Europe having to increase, but I still don't think it warrants pathetic memes and snide remarks. 

[OneMoreFarang]

45 minutes ago, vogie said:

You may not like his decisions and may not be to your liking, which may be understandable due to the likelihood of some subscriptions on mainland Europe having to increase, but I still don't think it warrants pathetic memes and snide remarks. 

I just read this interesting article from a veteran Conservative MP:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/22/boris-johnson-told-to-stop-campaigning-and-start-governing-ken-clarke-brexit

 

Boris Johnson should 'stop campaigning and start governing', says Ken Clarke

Ken Clarke criticises PM for having no detailed plans for Brexit or social care

 

 

 

 

[Krataiboy]

20 hours ago, samran said:

She’s just being realistic and reasonable. The average trade deal takes years to negotiate and the Brits don’t even know what type of trade deal they want.

 

But alas, Fred down the pub said out is out, and he knows better than those unelected bureaucrats at the coal face who have to sound out industry, develop negotiating positions and balance a huge range of competing positions and stakeholders. 

 

So Fred, in his bar stool wisdom is willing to throw lots of jobs and industry under the bus for a slogan - ‘Get it done’ he says! 

Oh, dear. Still the odd Remianer around chomping on sour grapes and desperately trying to appear superior. Sad,

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I just read this interesting article from a veteran Conservative MP:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/22/boris-johnson-told-to-stop-campaigning-and-start-governing-ken-clarke-brexit

 

Boris Johnson should 'stop campaigning and start governing', says Ken Clarke

Ken Clarke criticises PM for having no detailed plans for Brexit or social care

 

 

 

 

Does it have anything to do with the topic, just asking?

 

If I didn't know you better I would say that you just love digging the dirt on Boris (elected) and have no interest in discussing the matter at hand.

Michael Heseltine not Ken Clarke but near enough to matter.

[John1012]

what have the civil service in Brussels been doing for 3 years. They have had ample time to prepare for Brexit. I suppose they were doing very little, as their 'leaders' were adamant there would be no Brexit. Tough they have 11 months to conclude a trade deal., otherwise WTO terms until a deal is concluded. 

[OneMoreFarang]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Does it have anything to do with the topic, just asking?

 

If I didn't know you better I would say that you just love digging the dirt on Boris (elected) and have no interest in discussing the matter at hand.

I would like to see competent politicians all over the world in every country.

And for me some of the most important criteria for leaders are honesty, knowledge, ready to make necessary compromises, and other values.

Obviously I have my preferences but I don't care much about left or right or whatever people call politicians as long as they do a good job.

 

Now lets look at Boris: What exactly are his plans for 2020? I read a lot of articles and I don't think I saw anything describing how Boris imagines the UK EU relation in 2021. Brexit will be done, that's about it. Any details? No.

Looking at all the other free trade agreements all over the world experience shows that it's impossible to make a comprehensive agreement within one year. Impossible! But Boris ignores this little detail.

For me Boris looks like a car salesman who promises people this great car. It will be fast, efficient, beautiful and everybody will love it. But somehow no detailed description of what it really is. Such behavior seems to be enough to get lots of votes. And now he has the votes and the majority and now? Quo Vadis Boris? Quo Vadis UK?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I would like to see competent politicians all over the world in every country.

And for me some of the most important criteria for leaders are honesty, knowledge, ready to make necessary compromises, and other values.

Obviously I have my preferences but I don't care much about left or right or whatever people call politicians as long as they do a good job.

 

Now lets look at Boris: What exactly are his plans for 2020? I read a lot of articles and I don't think I saw anything describing how Boris imagines the UK EU relation in 2021. Brexit will be done, that's about it. Any details? No.

Looking at all the other free trade agreements all over the world experience shows that it's impossible to make a comprehensive agreement within one year. Impossible! But Boris ignores this little detail.

For me Boris looks like a car salesman who promises people this great car. It will be fast, efficient, beautiful and everybody will love it. But somehow no detailed description of what it really is. Such behavior seems to be enough to get lots of votes. And now he has the votes and the majority and now? Quo Vadis Boris? Quo Vadis UK?

How can Boris know what's going to happen in 2020, he is to a certain extent reliant on the EU, UVDL may be saying it's impossible, but Mr Barnier and his negotiators are not saying this, he stated: EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said earlier this week that drafting and ratifying a post-Brexit deal by next year was an “immense challenge but we will give it our all”.

 

Boris has only been elected PM for two weeks, so give him some slack eh, prior to his monumental victory he was fighting with at least one hand tied behind his back, he now has full carte blanche to do what he thinks is best for our country and is not reliant on the MPs trying their damnest to scuttle us leaving the EU. Many have underestimated him before, he certainly holds a better set of playing cards than he did two weeks ago. We cannot go on forever kicking the proverbial can down the road, none of our electorate who elected him would expect him to do so, he is doing just fine. 

After nearly four years of parliamentary wrangling it is time to get this nightmare over with and as quick as we can. You of course are singing from a different song sheet and I totally expect you not to see things as we do. But the main thing that Boris has going for him is the backing of our country, maybe not all, but the majority.

I can understand why the EU are in no rush to get a deal done quickly, when they are receiving 1 billion pounds a month off us, if I put myself in their place I would do the same. But instead of always blaming the UK can I remind you that it is in both parties interest to get a deal done and dusted, no good them cutting their noses off to spite their faces now is it.

Finally, I've told you before about your analogies................????

[samran]

50 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Oh, dear. Still the odd Remianer around chomping on sour grapes and desperately trying to appear superior. Sad,

Oh dear, someone else who didn’t read what I wrote. 
 

 

46 minutes ago, John1012 said:

what have the civil service in Brussels been doing for 3 years. They have had ample time to prepare for Brexit. I suppose they were doing very little, as their 'leaders' were adamant there would be no Brexit. Tough they have 11 months to conclude a trade deal., otherwise WTO terms until a deal is concluded. 

I’d be worried less about the EU position - they know what they want. The Brits have no clue as to what their position is. 11 months won’t be enough to canvas what BRITISH industry wants, let alone develop a consistent negotiating stance.

 

But I guess three word slogans trumps the best trade deal you can get. 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Letseng said:

Boris lied to the people, he did through the whole campaign. 

He never intended to spend all the money he said he would.

You could at least give him a chance not to spend it!

[OneMoreFarang]

25 minutes ago, vogie said:

How can Boris know what's going to happen in 2020, he is to a certain extent reliant on the EU, UVDL may be saying it's impossible, but Mr Barnier and his negotiators are not saying this, he stated: EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said earlier this week that drafting and ratifying a post-Brexit deal by next year was an “immense challenge but we will give it our all”.

 

Boris has only been elected PM for two weeks, so give him some slack eh, prior to his monumental victory he was fighting with at least one hand tied behind his back, he now has full carte blanche to do what he thinks is best for our country and is not reliant on the MPs trying their damnest to scuttle us leaving the EU. Many have underestimated him before, he certainly holds a better set of playing cards than he did two weeks ago. We cannot go on forever kicking the proverbial can down the road, none of our electorate who elected him would expect him to do so, he is doing just fine. 

After nearly four years of parliamentary wrangling it is time to get this nightmare over with and as quick as we can. You of course are singing from a different song sheet and I totally expect you not to see things as we do. But the main thing that Boris has going for him is the backing of our country, maybe not all, but the majority.

I can understand why the EU are in no rush to get a deal done quickly, when they are receiving 1 billion pounds a month off us, if I put myself in their place I would do the same. But instead of always blaming the UK can I remind you that it is in both parties interest to get a deal done and dusted, no good them cutting their noses off to spite their faces now is it.

 

Finally, I've told you before about your analogies................????

I would be delighted if the UK and EU could make that deal within a year.

But after reading lots of articles in lots of different publications it seems to be clear to me that it's impossible to get such a deal within one year. Sure, people will say they will try. But looking at reality best case they will be able to make some mini deal and continue from there.

I think almost everybody in the UK and EU wants that this capital is done as soon as possible. But let's stay realistic. And one year for everything is not realistic.

And about what Boris wants: Sure, it's something different what someone wants and what will happen. But at the beginning from any deal are ideas how this deal should realistically look like. So what is Boris realistic idea? The UK making all decisions independently and at the same time having full access to the EU is not realistic. So what does he want? How does his best case scenario for 2021 look like? And please a realistic scenario, not a dream.