Cyprus court finds 'gang rape' Briton guilty of lying

[robblok]

32 minutes ago, HuskerDo said:

Doesn't matter. They fail. Also, who in their right mind would want to "go in" right after another guy. Nasty!

 

If you can't find a good woman and have to resort to such activity then it says a lot about your character and cleanliness.

You obviously have no idea about fetishes and and are not open minded at all. This is not my thing but I have been brought up open minded experimented enough and know that some people enjoy those things. You call it nasty they love it.

 

Has nothing to do with character or cleanliness, more that your a bit of a prude. Some guys like to dominate woman others like to be dominated. There are even guys that like watching their gf get nailed by an other guy. A friend of mine was invited to have sex with an other guys gf as long as he could watch.

 

There are so many different likes and dislikes in sex its unbelievable. Your just really narrow minded. Its like thinking everyone likes the same food or the same kind of woman. 

[HuskerDo]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

You obviously have no idea about fetishes and and are not open minded at all. This is not my thing but I have been brought up open minded experimented enough and know that some people enjoy those things. You call it nasty they love it.

 

Has nothing to do with character or cleanliness, more that your a bit of a prude. Some guys like to dominate woman others like to be dominated. There are even guys that like watching their gf get nailed by an other guy. A friend of mine was invited to have sex with an other guys gf as long as he could watch.

 

There are so many different likes and dislikes in sex its unbelievable. Your just really narrow minded. Its like thinking everyone likes the same food or the same kind of woman. 

Bizarre but thanks for your expert explanation of the subject.

Edited December 31, 2019 by HuskerDo

[robblok]

23 minutes ago, HuskerDo said:

Bizarre but thanks for your expert explanation of the subject.

No problems, some people just grow up a bit more protected then others. 

 

But this is just like arguing about what foods are good. Not everyone has the same taste and what you like an other might find tasteless or boring. 

 

Just because you think something is nasty does not mean it is, to others it might be perfectly acceptable. 

 

I accept that and just tell people who want things that I don't like that its not my thing and they better look elsewhere instead of putting them down. 

[newatthis]

Everytime I read a story like this I remember the miniseries "Unbelievable."

[jak2002003]

9 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Obviously you have led a very, very sheltered life.

Gang bangs are not uncommon, some females seek them out. Participated in two myself. great night for all concerned and absolutely free!

Do you not get turned off by all the other naked aroused men around you, or is that part of the turn on for you?  

[DefaultName]

I hope they throw the book at her, she could have destroyed these men's lives because she regretted things afterwards.  A mate was in this situation once; the boyfriend found out and rape got called.  Fortunately, she shared a house with 3 other girls who all said it was consensual, so the police threw it out, it never hit court - it did do his head in for awhile though.

 

As to "no woman would do this", I was at a bikers party (well, wannabe bikers, we had 2 wheels anyway) in my young days 40+ years ago where there were about 20 men and 2 girls.  The girls were being pestered a bit - in a friendly way - then they did "rock paper scissors", the loser stripped from the waist down and laid on the kitchen table, the winner just kept her supplied with drink.  Most of the lads indulged.  Me, I was well down the queue and there was no sign of condoms, so it wasn't looking too appetizing by that point, I passed.  ????

[mikey00]

11 hours ago, Salerno said:

Quite a few in the swinging scene and on sites like Adult Friend Finder, Alt etc. 

 

What makes you think some women don't have the same desires as some men - sex with multiple partners? Plenty of them into it in the lifestyle. Granted, less women looking for it than men but the women looking for it get it a hell of a lot easier then men do. Equality my <deleted>! 555

 

They wouldn't join the sites or clubs if they weren't.

 

The reason I said you must have led a sheltered life is because you where posting as if no woman ever would want to indulge in such activities which is plainly <deleted>.

 

The sorry tale you recounted was at a "normal" party and as posted above, also sounds like rape to me which is obviously nothing to do with a healthy sexual appetite some women have and the predators should have been dealt with accordingly.

I love the, "I've never heard of this, so it can't be true" line.

[RJRS1301]

I assume the Israeli guys had high priced skilled lawyers very quickly in the investigation, and certainly once they were charged, which possibly put the woman at some disadvantage when dealing with the police and prosecution.

The only people who know the truth are the woman and the men concerned.

 

[metisdead]

4 hours ago, Momofarang said:

Where in Thailand is Cyprus?

 

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[whimsicalmike]

13 hours ago, yogi100 said:

Where have you ever heard of a young woman willingly let a whole bunch of young men have a line up on her?

 

And how would you have known she was willing or not?

 

I went to high school with a girl who let every first year boy line up on her at the end of year school social. I believe i was the only boy that didn't poke her that night. I lived opposite her house and almost every night a boy would knock on her window and she would let them in.

[Mick501]

How come chicks at "anti-rape" protests are always aesthetically challenged?

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[Baerboxer]

20 hours ago, z42 said:

Any woman who falsely accuses a man of rape and is proven to have done so should get the maximum sentence that the wrongly accused would have got.

Women like that damage the confidence that real victims would potentially have in bringing their ordeal to the attention of the authorities.

 

I agree.

 

But not if police coerced a confession, with threats, during a long interrogation during which legal representation was denied. And not if the judge, for reasons best known to himself, refused to hear evidence and seems to have made is mind up before the trial.

 

10 hours ago, candide said:

It seems like everyone knows what really happened in this case....

 

 

You should try reading about it. Then you could be well informed too. BBC News confirms that the British Foreign Office have, somewhat unusually, issued a statement regarding the inappropriate process and HR inadequacies afforded in this case.

 

Save making silly derogatory remarks.

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

I assume the Israeli guys had high priced skilled lawyers very quickly in the investigation, and certainly once they were charged, which possibly put the woman at some disadvantage when dealing with the police and prosecution.

The only people who know the truth are the woman and the men concerned.

 

 

The BBC reporting confirms your assumption. The 12 Israelis had legal representation within hours of being charged. The lady was interrogated for hours and denied legal representation and a translator.

 

The police and judge are being criticized by the UKFO, which is highly unusual in an ongoing case, Cypriot lawyers, and various rights groups. There is already talk of the police and judge contravening EU HR law. 

 

The truth is whatever it is. But, there seems some very glaring procedural oddities here. 

[AlexRich]

20 hours ago, z42 said:

Any woman who falsely accuses a man of rape and is proven to have done so should get the maximum sentence that the wrongly accused would have got.

Women like that damage the confidence that real victims would potentially have in bringing their ordeal to the attention of the authorities.

 

As long as the woman in question is given the same access to legal counsel as her alleged rapists, and not interrogated for eight hours with no access to a lawyer and no recording of the interrogation ... only the written record of the police. She has been treated appallingly.

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, ezzra said:

Excerpts from an israeli newspaper:

 

He stated that the British was an "untrustworthy witness", stating that she would lie in revenge, after being filmed having sex with a man she met at her hotel. "She knows she's never been raped," the judge said. After a trial that lasted about four months, she was convicted of one charge of disturbing the public order. "She did not leave a good impression on the court. She lied and tried to mislead us. She avoided giving answers and was unclear about what happened and I reject her version," the judge ruled...

 

The same judge, who according to the BBC report, refused to hear evidence appertaining to the rape, and found nothing unusual in a foreign rape victim being interrogated for hours by police and signing a confession written in Greek whilst being denied any legal representation and without a translator.

 

The judge and police have certainly not left a good impression! Even provoking unusual condemnation from the UKFO.

[Baerboxer]

7 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

As long as the woman in question is given the same access to legal counsel as her alleged rapists, and not interrogated for eight hours with no access to a lawyer and no recording of the interrogation ... only the written record of the police. She has been treated appallingly.

 

The UKFO, for once, are taking an offensive stand on this. As are her Cypriot lawyers. Already talk of many violations of EU Human Rights laws, and if necessary going to the EU Court of Justice.

[4MyEgo]

15 hours ago, EdrigoSalvadore said:

I believe they have a video of her seeminlgy enjoying and participating willingly in the act.

Now that would be an open and shut case, maybe the judge got to see that.

 

How about someone uploading it for this TVF juror please, then I can make a sound judgement ????

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The same judge, who according to the BBC report, refused to hear evidence appertaining to the rape, and found nothing unusual in a foreign rape victim being interrogated for hours by police and signing a confession written in Greek whilst being denied any legal representation and without a translator.

 

The judge and police have certainly not left a good impression! Even provoking unusual condemnation from the UKFO.

The accusation is the Cypriot court found her guilty of false testimony in order not to damage relations with the Israeli government.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/30/briton-found-guilty-over-ayia-napa-false-claim-cyprus

 

 

[metisdead]

A post using a trolling meme has been removed. 

[tifino]

She was stuck somewhere in between a rock and a hard place with her story...

 The thing is that if she 'had' been raped by gang; she wouldn't have lived to tell the tale. 

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, tifino said:

She was stuck somewhere in between a rock and a hard place with her story...

 The thing is that if she 'had' been raped by gang; she wouldn't have lived to tell the tale. 

She'd have to have been murdered for her not to have lived to tell the tale. They did not kill her, she's still alive.

 

Rape and murder are two different types of violence. Rape is sexual assault and murder is having your life taken from you by another or other persons.

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, tifino said:

She was stuck somewhere in between a rock and a hard place with her story...

 The thing is that if she 'had' been raped by gang; she wouldn't have lived to tell the tale. 

I am unsure what you are saying, not all gang rape victims are murdered by their assailants.

Pleaase explain your concept.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Do you not get turned off by all the other naked aroused men around you, or is that part of the turn on for you?  

Try not to make it personal. It's not about him, or you. For some it's watching, for some it's being watched.

 

The porn industry does well portraying what many want but will never be able to do.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, tifino said:

She was stuck somewhere in between a rock and a hard place with her story...

 The thing is that if she 'had' been raped by gang; she wouldn't have lived to tell the tale. 

You might want to think about that a bit longer before posting.

[RJRS1301]

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Try not to make it personal. It's not about him, or you. For some it's watching, for some it's being watched.

 

The porn industry does well portraying what many want but will never be able to do.

Especially the watchers and **ankers

 

[cyril sneer]

I wonder what her motives were on this one...

 

Possibly one of those far-leftist pro-Palestine people

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, cyril sneer said:

I wonder what her motives were on this one...

 

Possibly one of those far-leftist pro-Palestine people

You have lived up to your name

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, cyril sneer said:

I wonder what her motives were on this one...

 

Possibly one of those far-leftist pro-Palestine people

IMO thought differently of it the next morning when she wasn't drunk, and has to blame someone for her mistake. These days everything is always someone else's fault as no one, apparently, takes responsibility for their own actions. The nanny state arises.

However, if there is a VDO of her saying "stop", or in any way not wanting to take part I'll be in the crowd judging the guys guilty. Did any of them have scratches on their faces, or anything indicating she fought back? Did she have bruises indicating she was restrained or hit?

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO thought differently of it the next morning when she wasn't drunk, and has to blame someone for her mistake. These days everything is always someone else's fault as no one, apparently, takes responsibility for their own actions. The nanny state arises.

However, if there is a VDO of her saying "stop", or in any way not wanting to take part I'll be in the crowd judging the guys guilty. Did any of them have scratches on their faces, or anything indicating she fought back? Did she have bruises indicating she was restrained or hit?

Perhaps the testimony of the forensic expert which said injuries consistent with rape, should have been taken into account.

This may assist you in forming an opinion

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/30/briton-found-guilty-over-ayia-napa-false-claim-cyprus