They never stopped trying to enrich uranium as far as im aware and its not like they havent been pushing buttons. They must have expected retaliation. Iranians have been a lying nation since the dawn of time and cant be trusted. Thats a fact, google it...

30 minutes ago, The Theory said:

Soon EU sanctions will be back as well then Iran will beg for a new deal. 

If the EU is wise they stay away from this, except maybe as a negotiator.

It's on record that Bush and Obama could have killed Suleimani. They thought about the consequences and they didn't do it. Not because Suleimani is such a nice guy but because they decided killing that one guy will make the situation worse and not better.

 

Trump obviously didn't think but he used his instinct, like usual. And by now he doesn't have any competent advisors anymore in the White House so if Trump has a bad idea nobody is there to stop him.

 

I couldn't care less if Trumps stupid behavior would only affect Americans. But unfortunately it affects the whole world.

It's time that the rest of the world stands up against that maniac.

4 hours ago, rabas said:

It also allowed Iran to greatly expand it's industrial capabilities to enrich vast qualities of Uranium if and when it decided to do so (break the agreement). This has already been done. In 2018 Iran completed a new factory able to manufacture large numbers of highly advanced centrifuges equivalent to 300 current centrifuges per day. In months they can build vast new factories enriching uranium.

Reuters: Iran's new centrifuge factory

According to your source the decision was made after Washington's withdrawal from the pact.

Didn't you read the article you linked, or are just just dishonest?

8 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So Iran shoots down U.S drones and Donald Trump waits. Iran attacks six oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, Trump waits. Iran attacks Saudi oil fields Trump waits. Iran chants "Death to America" Trump waits.  Iran attacks U.S Embassy

The Left: Donald Trump is starting a war!

 

 This refusal to take any more nonsense from Iran is long overdue. It is to be expected that the Iranian regime will not take this well. But it is totally stunning to see the American left almost worshiping this dead terrorist dude. Watching CNN its almost as if Turner himself has passed on. Absolutely sick.

TrumpDelusionalSyndrome

Top.....Dead..........Senter at its best

 

trump imposes widespread and crippling sanctions on Iran and it’s citizens... iran reacts with minor retaliatory actions and the blood thirsty rednecks of the right want these impoverished citizens of a beleaguered nation slaughtered

 

the drone was in Iranian air space and was shot down.... restraint was applied by... ding ding ding... Iran. Even his orangness admitted an airplane could have been targeted but was not

 

iran acts with restraint to avoid war.... the US commits an act of terror on foreign soil and the right applaud

 

no evidence of who attacked the shipping.... much like their is no evidence forthcoming on these so called imminent threats... common theme... american lies and propaganda. 

 

us forces attack Iraqi militia base... militia respond by attacking the us embassy... and you blame the Iranians, who have thus far showed restraint

 

in your overweening desire to fluff the trump... you overlook the fact that everything you mention is a reaction to the trump withdrawing from the nuclear deal and imposing those aforementioned crippling sanctions

 

 

5 hours ago, Emdog said:

"Iran has steadily overstepped the deal’s limits on its nuclear activities in response to the United States’ withdrawal..."

May I point out that when US withdrew, the deal was no longer a deal....

no, it's still a deal, even if the other powers are prevented from fulfilling their commitments.

 

however, according to the terms of the deal, once any one of the original signatories backs out, the limits on iran's civilian nuclear program become voluntary.  (i think that's article 35 or 36 but don't have the text in front of me.)

 

that's not a hidden clause in the fine print on the back of a menu in pattaya, it's an integral part of the deal, meant to keep the main powers honest.

 

and that's the point of breaching the deal........manufacture a reason to go to war.

 

same as with the recent murder of soleimani, who according to one iraqi mp was on a diplomatic mission negotiating peace between iran and saudi arabia.

1 hour ago, unamazedloso said:

They never stopped trying to enrich uranium as far as im aware and its not like they havent been pushing buttons. They must have expected retaliation. Iranians have been a lying nation since the dawn of time and cant be trusted. Thats a fact, google it...

They never had too, did they? As far as I’m aware, their nuclear activity was monitored and in compliance, so these lies you reference seem manufactured, unless you have a link

 

heres a fact for you to google... the us is a state founded thru treason... lol.... kin of traitors accusing others of lying

42 minutes ago, candide said:

5 hours ago, rabas said:

It also allowed Iran to greatly expand it's industrial capabilities to enrich vast qualities of Uranium if and when it decided to do so (break the agreement). This has already been done. In 2018 Iran completed a new factory able to manufacture large numbers of highly advanced centrifuges equivalent to 300 current centrifuges per day. In months they can build vast new factories enriching uranium.

Reuters: Iran's new centrifuge factory

According to your source the decision was made after Washington's withdrawal from the pact.

Didn't you read the article you linked, or are just just dishonest?

No. Only the announcement came a month or so after Washington's announcement in May 2018.

 

July 2018 "Iran has built a factory that can produce rotors for up to 60 centrifuges a day, the head of its atomic agency said on Wednesday,"  (that's a lot)

 

It would take at least a year or two to develop the technologies, plans, and actually build such a plant. It is not kids stuff, these are new much more powerful centrifuges than the ones they use now.

 

“Instead of building this factory in the next seven or eight years, we built it during the negotiations but have not started it,” Salehi, said, according to state media.

 

Once again, a deal that hardly limits Iran's capacity to develop nuclear weapons in volume whenever the choose to do so. And why does a country with some of the greatest oil reserves need to enrich uranium?

 

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

No. Only the announcement came a month or so after Washington's announcement in May 2018.

 

July 2018 "Iran has built a factory that can produce rotors for up to 60 centrifuges a day, the head of its atomic agency said on Wednesday,"  (that's a lot)

 

It would take at least a year or two to develop the technologies, plans, and actually build such a plant. It is not kids stuff, these are new much more powerful centrifuges than the ones they use now.

 

“Instead of building this factory in the next seven or eight years, we built it during the negotiations but have not started it,” Salehi, said, according to state media.

 

Once again, a deal that hardly limits Iran's capacity to develop nuclear weapons in volume whenever the choose to do so. And why does a country with some of the greatest oil reserves need to enrich uranium?

 

My mistake. 

So it was build before the pact was signed, right?

9 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So Iran shoots down U.S drones and Donald Trump waits. Iran attacks six oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, Trump waits. Iran attacks Saudi oil fields Trump waits. Iran chants "Death to America" Trump waits.  Iran attacks U.S Embassy

The Left: Donald Trump is starting a war!

 

 This refusal to take any more nonsense from Iran is long overdue. It is to be expected that the Iranian regime will not take this well. But it is totally stunning to see the American left almost worshiping this dead terrorist dude. Watching CNN its almost as if Turner himself has passed on. Absolutely sick.

US drones in Iran

Oil tankers,  no proof

Saudi oil fields, no proof

 

USA bombing Syria, Afganistan, Lybia, Iraq, Iran.   

10 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So Iran shoots down U.S drones and Donald Trump waits. Iran attacks six oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, Trump waits. Iran attacks Saudi oil fields Trump waits. Iran chants "Death to America" Trump waits.  Iran attacks U.S Embassy

The Left: Donald Trump is starting a war!

 

 This refusal to take any more nonsense from Iran is long overdue. It is to be expected that the Iranian regime will not take this well. But it is totally stunning to see the American left almost worshiping this dead terrorist dude. Watching CNN its almost as if Turner himself has passed on. Absolutely sick.

+1

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

Direct quote from Iraqi PM at URL below. I could be wrong, but my understanding is Iranian military assistance is at the request of the Iraqi government.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/body-of-commander-slain-by-us-strike-arrives-in-iran-to-crowds-of-mourners/2020/01/05/4ca3281a-2f17-11ea-bffe-020c88b3f120_story.html

 

trump has now threatened Iraq with 'deep sanctions' if Iraq insists on the removal of US forces. Seems to me trump is deeply ignorant and without a coherent strategy regards M.E. region.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/05/donald-trump-threatens-iraq-sanctions-expel-us-troops/2821255001/

 

 

 

We want to stay. Please don't embarrass us and humiliate the US. We are a truly great nation. Why don't you like us anymore? You know I get really offended when people don't like me. You really, really don't want to go there Iraq. We will hurt you. If we can't help you we will hurt you. Don't make us hurt you. I am not in the mood right now. Can't you see how many problems I have at home? 

12 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So Iran shoots down U.S drones and Donald Trump waits.

more like: iran shoots down US military drones

invading iran airspace, and US respond with shooting down iran airliners with 290 civilians, including 66 children,

then proceeds to assassinate iran leaders.

the world has never seen such a rabid beast as USA

3 hours ago, candide said:

My mistake. 

So it was build before the pact was signed, right?

is there any language in the agreement that iran was NOT permitted to build this factory?  

 

i'd appreciate a link to a source if you could provide it.

5 hours ago, unamazedloso said:

They never stopped trying to enrich uranium as far as im aware and its not like they havent been pushing buttons. They must have expected retaliation. Iranians have been a lying nation since the dawn of time and cant be trusted. Thats a fact, google it...

 

And the USA is a bastion of truth and honesty in your eyes. ???? ???? ????

 

Especially as since Trump has been POTUS he has lied over 12,000 times.

 

That is a fact also. Google it.

 

About 1,170,000 results (0.38 seconds) 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/trump-has-told-more-than-10000-lies-since-being-inaugurated-washington-post

https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

https://www.nrdc.org/trump-lies

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/

45 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

And the USA is a bastion of truth and honesty in your eyes. ???? ???? ????

 

Especially as since Trump has been POTUS he has lied over 12,000 times.

 

That is a fact also. Google it.

 

About 1,170,000 results (0.38 seconds) 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/trump-has-told-more-than-10000-lies-since-being-inaugurated-washington-post

https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

https://www.nrdc.org/trump-lies

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

https://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/

Iranian actions were in compliance with the agreement, as confirmed by numerous inspections.

They were doing as they promised, until it was blown to pieces by a unilateral decision by one man, trying to hold the whole world hostage to his insecurity.

10 hours ago, Tug said:

Rabas I beg to differ it was the first small steps towards normal relations towards peace now we are on the verge of war beeing run out of Iraq who’s winning there?trump imo is an utter fiasco the looks on those troops beeing deployed for god knows how many times when Donald tweets from his resort gots to be getting old no sir imo he has squandered all the blood and treasure we have invested in the last 20 years in the Middle East nope I’m not buying it

What about the westerners held hostage? The westerners who were tortured and murdered are nothing then? What of the ongoing support of Hizbollah and the support of the Assad regime?

7 hours ago, unamazedloso said:

They never stopped trying to enrich uranium as far as im aware and its not like they havent been pushing buttons. They must have expected retaliation. Iranians have been a lying nation since the dawn of time and cant be trusted. Thats a fact, google it...

Apparently, your awareness doesn't extend as far as the relevant agency policing the Iranians.

 

"In refusing to certify the Iran nuclear deal, President Donald Trump said Iran “has committed multiple violations of the agreement.” But that’s not the finding of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

The IAEA has issued eight reports since the agreement was implemented in January 2016, and all eight have found Iran is implementing the agreement — most recently on Aug. 31.

Trump himself has certified to Congress on two occasions that Iran has complied with the nuclear deal known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA."

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/trump-irans-multiple-violations/

10 hours ago, bristolboy said:

These links are entirely irrelevant to the question of whether or not it was Iran's money and whether or not it was transferred illegally. Focus, please.

Yes Boy, anything you disagree with is irrelevant. Interesting way of travelling thru life. 

16 hours ago, simple1 said:

Some media outlets are reporting on the questioning of the worth / risk of a tactical killing versus the strategic benefit, that is all.

 

Who the hell are journalists to comment on such intricate matters that they have zero expertise

in....they are no different than the Hollywood luvvies who get on a stage and talk nonsense abut things they have no idea about. I guess the days of journalists keeping journals and reporting news are long gone...nowadays we have to suffer what they think. I don't think there is a single war in history that could pass the test of being called a good idea...they all suck...so calling trumps move a strategically bad one is not some brain wave by the news....most wars are....but some are necessary to set rogue nations straight if they dont listen to peaceful suggestions.

12 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

I'v met Persian's , mostly in university(go Salukis), they were not dumb at all. Brilliant and hard workers all. So, I have wondered the last several years how North Korea has developed a bomb and those near genius Persians have not. Iran perhaps should pay for North Korean assistance.  If someone would of taken the bet in 1990 I'd say no way North Korea beats Persians to the bomb. 

So, the bet now days would be which of them uses theirs first.

You’re overlooking the stated goals of both nations in your not so well thought out equivalency

 

Iran has stated and maintained that it was to not pursuing a nuke

NK have actively been pursuing a nuke

 

iran does not have a nuke, in line with its commitments

NK has a nuke, in line with its known goal.

 

no need to wonder any longer.

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

They were doing as they promised, until it was blown to pieces by a unilateral decision by one man, trying to hold the whole world hostage to his insecurity.

you should be teaching a drama class.

Let's give them the bomb already and be done once and for all with that endless affair. 

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

I don't think there is a single war in history that could pass the test of being called a good idea...they all suck...so calling trumps move a strategically bad one is not some brain wave by the news....most wars are....but some are necessary to set rogue nations straight if they dont listen to peaceful suggestions.

Be that as it may... but when your the party determining those first big moves, and those first big moves are strategically bad... at best, it doesn’t bode well for the ensuing moves.... and I can assure you that this is not the norm, when it comes to starting a war.... unless the CiC is a complete dotard.

 

meanwhile.... peaceful suggestions, you say?.... are you drunk? Threatening to bomb a nation back into the Stone Age, if they don’t comply with a demand, is hardly peaceful.

 

8 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Who the hell are journalists to comment on such intricate matters that they have zero expertise

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Journalists will report commentary by various players such as politicians and senior military personnel. Others write opinion pieces which is a different issue. However, all are protected by 'Free Speech', especially in the USA. On the other side of the coin it is acknowledged that those to the right of centre, such as trump and his sycophants wish to suppress 'Free Speech'. In trump's case calling out all media outlets that disagree with him as 'fake news' which a direct attack on democratic 'free speech' as well as going so far as recently encouraging War Crimes by the US military planners. It is to be noted that trump has now reached more than 15,000 instances of fact checked lies and misinformation, often repeating proven falsehoods.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

 

trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

 

 

 

 

21 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

Thai news reporting $80 million fatwa on Trumps head issued by Iran ???? 

 

Yeah I heard they asked the crowds at the funeral for $1 donations. lol They be mad.

 

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13 hours ago, brokenbone said:

more like: iran shoots down US military drones

invading iran airspace, and US respond with shooting down iran airliners with 290 civilians, including 66 children,

then proceeds to assassinate iran leaders.

the world has never seen such a rabid beast as USA

 

I think your timeline is a bit off. The plane was shot down in 1988. 

The U.S. verses Iran...… kinda like Mike Tyson verses a blind 90 year old grandma. Good luck on that one. 

3 minutes ago, HuskerDo said:

The U.S. verses Iran...… kinda like Mike Tyson verses a blind 90 year old grandma. Good luck on that one. 

 

Well considering that one side has man hunting robots circling above the others head is sort of obvious. We could have smoked the good old Khomeini in front of everybody to see. He lives at the mercy of the US government and at times through the use of human shields.

 

It must have gone through his mind if we would hit him at the funeral while he was collecting $1 donations for his $80 million dollar fatwah. It is surreal how morally bereft and unaware of consequences Iran is right now. They have been put on notice.