2 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

And now it happens again , just 100 years after man's ' industrial revolution ' ... strange coincidence , not ?

Are you aware that it was hotter centuries before the industrial revolution?

5 hours ago, bendejo said:

Sigh.  Yet another thread where grown male snowflakes incur brown stains in their trousers over the words of a teenage girl.

What stokes this fear?

 

 

She certainly does not make me fearful; infuriated perhaps, at her precociousness, & amazed how CC is being forced upon us.

 

Precisely why should we listen to this 'water warrior' & the Swedish savant - as she most probably sees herself?

 

They have no experience of real life & their pie in the sky ideals are laughable.

 

Still, never mind, their followers, their disciples have got a cause. Just like Greenham Common. My, how they've grown.

35 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

I tried google

In March 2011, carbon dioxide levels were at 391 ppm, which is 0.0391 percent of the atmosphere. Of that tiny amount 97 percent is naturally produced carbon dioxide.

Somebody needs to tell grumpy Greta ????

There you go, your Google knowledge outshines the knowledge of the scientists.

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

There are many more reasons for man made climate change than overpopulation. 

Of course there are, but overpopulation would be the main cause. More people driving more cars, flying, using electricity etc etc etc.

Back in the 50s when world population was a fraction of now, no one was fearful of "climate change".

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What are you on about? We all grew up in a world full of natural disasters. Disasters are a normal part of nature. Nothing's changed.

 

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What are you on about? We all grew up in a world full of natural disasters. Disasters are a normal part of nature. Nothing's changed.

That is NASA , I think they know much better than you ...? Stop denying facts , please .

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

 

"The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20^th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.^"

 

 

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

 

Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.

 

 

Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. This body of data, collected over many years, reveals the signals of a changing climate.

The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.² Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.

Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.³

The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling:

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Global Temperature Rise

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  The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.⁴ Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with the five warmest years on record taking place since 2010. Not only was 2016 the warmest year on record, but eight of the 12 months that make up the year — from January through September, with the exception of June — were the warmest on record for those respective months. ⁵

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Warming Oceans

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  The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of more than 0.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.⁶

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Shrinking Ice Sheets

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  The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost an average of 286 billion tons of ice per year between 1993 and 2016, while Antarctica lost about 127 billion tons of ice per year during the same time period. The rate of Antarctica ice mass loss has tripled in the last decade.⁷

   

  Image: Flowing meltwater from the Greenland ice sheet

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Glacial Retreat

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  Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.⁸

   

  Image: The disappearing snowcap of Mount Kilimanjaro, from space.

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Decreased Snow Cover

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  Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and that the snow is melting earlier.⁹

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Sea Level Rise

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  Global sea level rose about 8 inches in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century and is accelerating slightly every year.¹⁰

   

  Image: Republic of Maldives: Vulnerable to sea level rise

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Declining Arctic Sea Ice

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  Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.¹¹

   

  Image: Visualization of the 2012 Arctic sea ice minimum, the lowest on record

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Extreme Events

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  The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.¹²

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Ocean Acidification

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  Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent.^13,14 This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.^15,16

 

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There you go, your Google knowledge outshines the knowledge of the scientists.

How was it measured then, if not by using science?

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course there are, but overpopulation would be the main cause. More people driving more cars, flying, using electricity etc etc etc.

Back in the 50s when world population was a fraction of now, no one was fearful of "climate change".

Disagree it is the main cause. 
 

No was afraid in the 50s as they were not aware of the fact we were destroying our climate. 
 

Tell me, how would you enforce population control?

Edited January 22, 20206 yr by Bluespunk

1 minute ago, nobodysfriend said:

"The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20^th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.^"

and the human population expanded at an unprecedented rate since the mid 20th century. If people want to blame humans for climate change, blame themselves for breeding too many people.

6 minutes ago, faraday said:

 

They have no experience of real life

At just 17 she would almost certainly not be intellectually developed enough to critique the methodology of scientific research, so she can only be spouting someone Else's conclusion.

 

She is saying the science is settled because someone else said that.

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Disagree it is the main cause. 
 

No was afraid in the 50s as they were not aware of the fact we were destroying our climate. 
 

Tell me, how would you enforce population control?

Birth control is the way to do that ... not more than 1 kid per family .

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course there are, but overpopulation would be the main cause. More people driving more cars, flying, using electricity etc etc etc.

Back in the 50s when world population was a fraction of now, no one was fearful of "climate change".

Do you honestly do research? 

Climate change concerns and research started in the nineteen century when John Fourier uncovered the greenhouse effect in 1824, calculating that the planet would be much colder if it didn’t have an atmosphere. On 1859, John Tyndall discovered that certain gases block out infrared radiation and fluctuations in the concentration of these gases could promote climate change. 

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Disagree it is the main cause. 
 

No was afraid in the 50s as they were not aware of the fact we were destroying our climate. 
 

Tell me, how would you enforce population control?

So, if you disagree, you must have something else in mind- do share, as I'm wondering what that is.

 

It's not up to me, but if I were dictator of the world I'd impose the Chinese solution on all countries. Unfortunately the Chinese stopped it just when it started to make a difference.

 

Anyway, given how overcrowded we are, something like the incurable coronavirus currently just arrived in the US from China may do the job. Everything in nature works to balance things. If mankind has become a problem, as it has, nature will come up with some way of eliminating the problem.

5 minutes ago, mokwit said:

At just 17 she would almost certainly not be intellectually developed enough to critique the methodology of scientific research, so she can only be spouting someone Else's conclusion.

 

She is saying the science is settled because someone else said that.

And that's what I object to about her.

 

She doesn't truly understand, makes fanciful statements, & then people follow her, as if she's some Messiah.

 

 

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, if you disagree, you must have something else in mind- do share, as I'm wondering what that is.

 

It's not up to me, but if I were dictator of the world I'd impose the Chinese solution on all countries. Unfortunately the Chinese stopped it just when it started to make a difference.

 

Anyway, given how overcrowded we are, something like the incurable coronavirus currently just arrived in the US from China may do the job. Everything in nature works to balance things. If mankind has become a problem, as it has, nature will come up with some way of eliminating the problem.

---> nature will come up with some way of eliminating the problem. <---       Yes , it does .

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Do you honestly do research? 

Climate change concerns and research started in the nineteen century when John Fourier uncovered the greenhouse effect in 1824, calculating that the planet would be much colder if it didn’t have an atmosphere. On 1859, John Tyndall discovered that certain gases block out infrared radiation and fluctuations in the concentration of these gases could promote climate change. 

and back then people were happy that the world was warming. It was pretty cold back then.

11 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Birth control is the way to do that ... not more than 1 kid per family .

And how would you enforce this?

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, if you disagree, you must have something else in mind- do share, as I'm wondering what that is.

 

It's not up to me, but if I were dictator of the world I'd impose the Chinese solution on all countries. Unfortunately the Chinese stopped it just when it started to make a difference.

 

Anyway, given how overcrowded we are, something like the incurable coronavirus currently just arrived in the US from China may do the job. Everything in nature works to balance things. If mankind has become a problem, as it has, nature will come up with some way of eliminating the problem.

Solution to curbing people having children? I’ve never advocated this.
 

China’s population growth fell to its lowest level in decades recently.
 

Their one child policy failed, it did not work.  

Edited January 22, 20206 yr by Bluespunk

21 minutes ago, mokwit said:

At just 17 she would almost certainly not be intellectually developed enough to critique the methodology of scientific research, so she can only be spouting someone Else's conclusion.

 

She is saying the science is settled because someone else said that.

This is precisely why she should not be given a platform on the world stage.

A Century ago the likes of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle were similarly deceived by doe eyed schoolgirls ...

 

 

Edited January 22, 20206 yr by evadgib

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and back then people were happy that the world was warming. It was pretty cold back then.

I will take this as your acknowledgement that there were concerns about climate change long before Greta’s telling those old fossil deniers. 

How did she get to Davros walk there ?, stupid little girl ,bet she has all the latest modern toys ,nice smartphone ,massive colour tv at home all the mod cons ,well you silly little girl ,you should go back to my time when i was so excited to get a portable radio and a bus ride to the seaside .

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Their one child policy failed, it did not work.  

It did work. Due to their cultural preference for boys, many, many girls were not raised, which means that in parts of China many, many men can't find a wife to breed with, which in about 20 years time will start to reduce population significantly. Population reduction is never going to happen quickly- it will take decades.

The corona virus may work more quickly.

Edited January 22, 20206 yr by thaibeachlovers

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

This is precisely why she should not be given a platform on the world stage.

 

A century ago the likes of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle were similarly deceived by doe eyed schoolgirls ...

 

 

Shoot the messenger not the message. From the Denial Playbook. 

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It did work. Due to their cultural preference for boys, many, many girls were not raised, which means that in parts of China many, many men can't find a wife to breed with, which in about 20 years time will start to reduce population significantly. Population reduction is never going to happen quickly- it will take decades.

The corona virus may work more quickly.

No it didn’t work, it caused more problems than it solved, it did not help reduce climate change, do some research. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/02/china-population-control-two-child-policy

Edited January 22, 20206 yr by Bluespunk

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

many men can't find a wife to breed with, which in about 20 years

Which explains the vassalisation of SE Asia where there is as surplus.

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I will take this as your acknowledgement that there were concerns about climate change long before Greta’s telling those old fossil deniers. 

Don't invent things. I said nothing about "concerns", just that they were happy it was getting warmer.

34 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There you go, your Google knowledge outshines the knowledge of the scientists.

It was 'scientists' who claimed in the 1970's we were heading for a new ice age

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't invent things. I said nothing about "concerns", just that they were happy it was getting warmer.

Don’t get excited. You just keep confirming the fact climate change got them warmer. 

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No it didn’t work, it caused more problems than it solved, it did not help reduce climate change, do some research. 

I'm well aware of the problems, but reducing population was never going to be simple.

Nothing will reduce climate change as it is beyond the ability of humans to control.

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Don’t get excited. You just keep confirming the fact climate change got them warmer. 

Happily for them. I'd like the winter here to get warmer. It was far too cold.

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Shoot the messenger not the message. From the Denial Playbook. 

Oh the irony ????