EU leaders remind Britain: No membership, no benefits

[TheDark]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Interesting.

 

Follow the TransferWise mid market rates between the GBP and the Euro here,

 

The GBP has already gained 2 cents on the Euro during January 2020.

 

https://transferwise.com/us/currency-converter/gbp-to-eur-rate?amount=1

EU decency rules pretty much dictated that EU as a whole or EU nations would not talk bad about leaving England. 

 

I'm not sure if the moving to transition period changes things, I guess not yet. 

 

When the adult behaving EU side is finally allowed to really say, what they think, forgetting diplomatic softening, we'll hear quite interesting stories what UK is seen by her closest neighbours.

 

At that point. Like I said, I don't know if that happens next Monday or next year, things start to really change. 

 

At the point both sides should be checked against USD etc. as both sides will suffer what is going to come. 

Edited February 1, 2020 by TheDark

[CG1 Blue]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He didn’t speak about making Brexit ‘difficult’, he outlined inevitable consequences of the UK going looking for a trade deal cap-in-hand to Trump’s America .

 

Or have you not yet figured out what Trump meant when he said ‘America First’?!

So let's look at the first two tests of whether the UK will do whatever Trumps wants: 1. Huawei and 2. Digital Services tax on internet giants. Did the UK cave in to Donald on these matters?

 

The UK can and will walk away if a deal does not benefit the UK. If you disagree, show us the proof. 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

You mean this timetable only 6 month's negotiation time in real...?

 

The EU also said the Withdrawal Agreement will never be reopened - but it was. The Political Declaration is not binding. It is a pathway. That pathway can change. 

Boris has shown already that we no longer have to be pushed around. 

 

[CG1 Blue]

6 hours ago, Xaos said:

Will there be visas for EU nationals and vice versa? 

No. People can still travel freely with a passport until the end of 2020. This applies to UK citizens going to the EU and EU citizens coming to visit the UK.

After the transition period, tourists from the UK will be allowed to visit EU countries (and vice-versa) for up to 90 days in every 180 days (without a visa). 

 

[TheDark]

15 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The EU also said the Withdrawal Agreement will never be reopened - but it was. The Political Declaration is not binding. It is a pathway. That pathway can change. 

Boris has shown already that we no longer have to be pushed around. 

 

I'm not sure which part of EU and UK no longer belonging to the same club anymore, you don't really understand? That ended yesterday.

 

Prior Brexit day the UK kitten was all cute and fluffy and was treated as such. Now UK is a feral cat, which must be treated with appropriate precaution. 

 

 

[billd766]

44 minutes ago, TheDark said:

EU decency rules pretty much dictated that EU as a whole or EU nations would not talk bad about leaving England. 

 

I'm not sure if the moving to transition period changes things, I guess not yet. 

 

When the adult behaving EU side is finally allowed to really say, what they think, forgetting diplomatic softening, we'll hear quite interesting stories what UK is seen by her closest neighbours.

 

At that point. Like I said, I don't know if that happens next Monday or next year, things start to really change. 

 

At the point both sides should be checked against USD etc. as both sides will suffer what is going to come. 

I check that link every day but for GBP v THB only and compare that with the KBank rate. At the weekends I also check XE currency rates for the same reason. However XE is mainly a mid rate reference whereas TW is a real usable currency.

[CG1 Blue]

10 minutes ago, TheDark said:

I'm not sure which part of EU and UK no longer belonging to the same club anymore, you don't really understand? That ended yesterday.

 

Prior Brexit day the UK kitten was all cute and fluffy and was treated as such. Now UK is a feral cat, which must be treated with appropriate precaution. 

 

 

Correction; the UK is now a Lion, which needs to be respected and feared ????

[bkkcanuck8]

9 hours ago, Tchooptip said:

Personally I do not feel very concerned by this brexit ???? The only thing that I hope and that will make me happy is to recover a blue British passport ????

Well, until the blue in you flag and the blue in your passport (Scotland) leaves the Union ????

 

Or maybe it will be a french blue since it is made in France ????

 

You do know that burgundy passports were a UK decision - other EU countries do have blue passports...

Edited February 1, 2020 by bkkcanuck8

[Forethat]

2 hours ago, PoorSucker said:

9. Super gonorrhea outbreaks in UK. 

 

Tomorrow... 

We're all f-d...?

[bkkcanuck8]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

No. People can still travel freely with a passport until the end of 2020. This applies to UK citizens going to the EU and EU citizens coming to visit the UK.

After the transition period, tourists from the UK will be allowed to visit EU countries (and vice-versa) for up to 90 days in every 180 days (without a visa). 

 

You will also have to go in the general line not the expedited EU line.

If you are driving there will be more requirements.

If you bring your mobile phone you will have to be careful since you could be hit by exorbitant charges.

[TheDark]

58 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I check that link every day but for GBP v THB only and compare that with the KBank rate. At the weekends I also check XE currency rates for the same reason. However XE is mainly a mid rate reference whereas TW is a real usable currency.

You do your homework well. That's good. Therefore I'm sure you already know what is happening with THB and why.

[bkkcanuck8]

11 minutes ago, TheDark said:

You do your homework well. That's good. Therefore I'm sure you already know what is happening with THB and why.

Yes, I saw my exchange rates jump recently.... Yay deadly virus!

[CG1 Blue]

18 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

You will also have to go in the general line not the expedited EU line.

If you are driving there will be more requirements.

If you bring your mobile phone you will have to be careful since you could be hit by exorbitant charges.

UK citizens can continue to use the EU/EEA nationals line at customs throughout the transition period. What happens after the transition period has not been decided or announced. The same applies to driving licenses, and the same applies to mobile phone charges. 

 

If you know different, can we see the proof please? 

 

 

[bkkcanuck8]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

UK citizens can continue to use the EU/EEA nationals line at customs throughout the transition period. What happens after the transition period has not been decided or announced. The same applies to driving licenses, and the same applies to mobile phone charges. 

 

If you know different, can we see the proof please? 

 

 

I should have been clear - this is after the transition period (that was what I was replying to)... it is coming... 

Edited February 1, 2020 by bkkcanuck8

[Forethat]

29 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

You will also have to go in the general line not the expedited EU line.

If you are driving there will be more requirements.

If you bring your mobile phone you will have to be careful since you could be hit by exorbitant charges.

Oh no, we're all doomed. F-g he**, we have to adhere to the same rules that applies to driving in countries outside EU. Like Thailand. Oh nooo.....

And the mobile phone....

And I have to stand in a different line every time I travel to Romania? F-g he**...

 

[bkkcanuck8]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

After the transition period, tourists from the UK will be allowed to visit EU countries (and vice-versa) for up to 90 days in every 180 days (without a visa). 

 

Slight addendum, after the transition period, and once ETIAS is fully implemented (end of 2021), you will have to apply for ETIAS for a nominal fee (likely 5 or 10GBP based on other countries implementations) - which will clear you for visa waiver travel for the life of the passport.

[bkkcanuck8]

7 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Oh no, we're all doomed. F-g he**, we have to adhere to the same rules that applies to driving in countries outside EU. Like Thailand. Oh nooo.....

And the mobile phone....

And I have to stand in a different line every time I travel to Romania? F-g he**...

 

Just something I envied... I lived in the UK for 1 year and 1 day...  (yes I counted)... very close to Waterloo Station (when it was where the Eurostar trains terminated at) and it was just one silly thing I envied when flying in and out.   I could have stayed in the UK (on my 'ancestor' visa) to get full citizenship and had the same EU rights.... but I could not survive living in the UK for that long (lucky I did not waste my time ????).  Nothing against the UK, but I am cheap... and living in the UK did not offer anything I really wanted.  Visiting is ok for 3 or 4 weeks, but living there... well... the cost just rubbed me the wrong way, I preferred living in either the US or Canada (but Thailand is better).

[TheDark]

8 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Slight addendum, after the transition period, and once ETIAS is fully implemented (end of 2021), you will have to apply for ETIAS for a nominal fee (likely 5 or 10GBP based on other countries implementations) - which will clear you for visa waiver travel for the life of the passport.

This is news to me. I thought UK citizens were allowed visa and fee free entry to Schengen Europe. 

 

Quite like it would be implemented the other way around as well. 

 

What is your source for this information?

 

For people outside of Europe, things probably stay the same. There are separate visas to enter the UK and the Schengen free to travel area. 

 

[david555]

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Well, until the blue in you flag and the blue in your passport (Scotland) leaves the Union ????

 

Or maybe it will be a french blue since it is made in France ????

 

You do know that burgundy passports were a UK decision - other EU countries do have blue passports...

only 1 have blue pp.

Edited February 1, 2020 by david555

[bkkcanuck8]

8 minutes ago, TheDark said:

This is news to me. I thought UK citizens were allowed visa and fee free entry to Schengen Europe. 

 

Quite like it would be implemented the other way around as well. 

 

What is your source for this information?

 

For people outside of Europe, things probably stay the same. There are separate visas to enter the UK and the Schengen free to travel area. 

 

This has become pretty standard with western countries - and while visa waiver still exists - countries like Canada, the US, EU (starting in 2021) require pre-registration (you get a tag in your passport) to gather information for security purposes before you are able to use the visa-waiver travel.  (fee is basically to cover cost in most cases).

 

https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/how-will-the-etias-system-work

 

Maximum term is 3 years or the life of passport.

 

 

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by bkkcanuck8

[david555]

A preview from Monday ….

 

Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Sat 1 Feb 2020 12.37 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-spain-over-gibraltar-claims

Brexit trade talks: EU to back Spain over Gibraltar claims

Territory’s economy at risk unless UK reaches agreement with Madrid over ownership

 

 

The EU will back Spain over its territorial claims to Gibraltar in the next phase of Brexit negotiations by giving Madrid the power to exclude the British overseas territory from any trade deal struck with Brussels.

 

The Observer has learned that the Spanish government has insisted on reference to the Rock in the EU’s opening negotiating position, which will be published in draft form on Monday.

 

Boris Johnson will be presented with the choice of reaching agreement with the Spaniards about Gibraltar’s future or exposing its citizens to economic peril by pushing it outside any EU-UK trade deal.

 

more...

Edited February 1, 2020 by david555

[david555]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Correction; the UK is now a Lion, which needs to be respected and feared ????

It seems U.K. is anyway teasing the Old lion by pulling on his tail ????….(LOL...

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by david555

[TheDark]

18 minutes ago, david555 said:

A preview from Monday ….

 

Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Sat 1 Feb 2020 12.37 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-spain-over-gibraltar-claims

Brexit trade talks: EU to back Spain over Gibraltar claims

Territory’s economy at risk unless UK reaches agreement with Madrid over ownership

 

 

The EU will back Spain over its territorial claims to Gibraltar in the next phase of Brexit negotiations by giving Madrid the power to exclude the British overseas territory from any trade deal struck with Brussels.

 

The Observer has learned that the Spanish government has insisted on reference to the Rock in the EU’s opening negotiating position, which will be published in draft form on Monday.

 

Boris Johnson will be presented with the choice of reaching agreement with the Spaniards about Gibraltar’s future or exposing its citizens to economic peril by pushing it outside any EU-UK trade deal.

That is Spain and therefore Europe saying.

 

UK, get the fruit out of our view. You decided to leave, you are no longer welcome to occupy our territories.

 

Should Spain and UK do a little Falkland islands war over the Gibraltar territories. Should other countries at the same time go war with England over other UK's current overseas territories?

 

UK no longer have the backing of 27 EU countries. Instead these countries will back their own.

 

Do the diminishing  attacks of the UK's overseas power at the same time and UK does not have a chance to respond.

 

Taking back control, while being isolated from the rest of the world, is tough. UK is following the path of Soviet Union experienced at time. 

 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I should have been clear - this is after the transition period (that was what I was replying to)... it is coming... 

But your comment was based on an assumption that no arrangements will be made during the transition period. A worst case scenario. We don't know what will be agreed.

 

You're right about ETIAS though. 

[bannork]

Brexit means freedom for chargers!

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by bannork

[david555]

"Let the games begin"....  was a saying from the Old Rome Emperors , here you can see where heading to   ...WTO …!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/johnson-to-impose-full-customs-checks-on-goods-from-eu-report

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent

@lisaocarroll

Sat 1 Feb 2020 11.58 GMT

 

Johnson to impose full customs checks on goods from EU – report

Whitehall source says plans would ‘double the practical challenge at the border’

 

Boris Johnson intends to impose full customs checks on all goods coming into the UK from the EU in a break with previous government policy, according to reports.

 

“We are planning full checks on all EU imports – export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through border inspection posts,” the Daily Telegraph reported a senior Whitehall source as saying. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”

 

The paper reports that businesses will be informed of the policy on 10 February.

Edited February 1, 2020 by david555

[bkkcanuck8]

9 minutes ago, bannork said:

Brexit means freedom for chargers!

 

Well they can keep their chargers (though they might not work anymore on new devices)... companies follow standards covering the largest economies or wider areas (it is why car manufacturers follow California standards over national US standards).  If the EU dictates it the UK will get phones that match.

[bkkcanuck8]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

"Let the games begin"....  was a saying from the Old Rome Emperors , here you can see where heading to   ...WTO …!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/johnson-to-impose-full-customs-checks-on-goods-from-eu-report

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent

@lisaocarroll

Sat 1 Feb 2020 11.58 GMT

 

Johnson to impose full customs checks on goods from EU – report

Whitehall source says plans would ‘double the practical challenge at the border’

 

Boris Johnson intends to impose full customs checks on all goods coming into the UK from the EU in a break with previous government policy, according to reports.

 

“We are planning full checks on all EU imports – export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through border inspection posts,” the Daily Telegraph reported a senior Whitehall source as saying. “This will double the practical challenge at the border in January 2021.”

 

The paper reports that businesses will be informed of the policy on 10 February.

More expensive fruit and veg (not to mention the same standard that Northern Ireland will also be dragged into now).

Edited February 1, 2020 by bkkcanuck8

[david555]

6 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

More expensive fruit and veg.

I think in a no deal situation the E.U. will be happy to have borders with a third party country ….defending his market … ???? And Boris can wondering around his Island , so experiencing what it means to live isolated ????

Edited February 1, 2020 by david555

[katana]

Was looking on Youtube at how the other EU countries are reporting and feeling about the UK leaving

the EU.
From this 31/01/20 news report from German public broadcaster ZDF on their Youtube channel, it was

just comment after comment from German posters critical of the EU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-XrB6mIfU
Translated from German via Google Translate:
eg
Merlin W
3 hours ago
The British are enviable! Congratulations and all the best in freedom! Self-determination is sooo

important.

Bernd Siemer
9 hours ago
What lies are you going to come up with if Great Britain is doing splendidly and Germany is facing

more and more difficulties?

Tommy T.
15 minutes ago
Now the German Michel has to pay the 15% contribution payment which the GB paid for bankrupt EU

states.

I'm just
10 hours ago
What is that nonsense ?? "If you want to sell your fish with us, then you have to let us fish with you"

?? You can see what the EU has for a rat's tail

Hero Women
3 hours ago
Although the EU dictatorship wanted to prevent Brexit with lies and agitation, the British did it anyway,

very well!

ipahobby
4 hours ago
why can't we Germans vote democratically about whether we can leave the EU ...

1hausgeist
11 hours ago
Congratulation to the British People. Let us hope, that will Hungary, Italy, Spain, Greece and Germany

will follow you. Let us start the Europe of National St

Pierre Tester
Hello, Germany is also divided, when will Germany leave?

John Wötzel
1 hour ago
I wish Germany would follow ....

DjRaZieL1
8 hours ago
The British did everything right, the EU will crumble and the UK would laugh. Inflation will come in the

next few years

Brio Bernd
6 hours ago
Congratulations, Great Britain!

Icho Tolot
11 hours ago (edited)
I am very happy for the English, they did everything right !! and hopefully that was the coffin nail for

this criminal, lobby eu printed the nwo !! over time you will be much better than us!

Peter Steinert
2 hours ago
The UK is in such a hurry because they know, of course, that the euro will now implode due to the

massive flood of money and, as a result, inflation. Then of course they don't want to take on any

obligations. It was not for nothing that Mr. Gabriel joined the Supervisory Board of Deutsche Bank,

which just reported a loss of EUR 5.7 billion. Because it is an important part of the political

organization for the nationalization of the bank. Of course, the savers and taxpayers pay that again

because the owners cannot do it alone. That's what happens when you break the no-baillout clause in

violation of the law. Incidentally, this was the government's greatest crime in German post-war history.

With this break, deadly socialism was introduced within the euro area. The courts will still hold these

criminals accountable if this caste is deposed. And I think UK would rather be a state of the United

States than a state of this disgusting EU.

Günter Düsterhus
4 hours ago
The absolutely pathological repressing and lying of our media does not hide the fact that Merkel and

GROKO are responsible for Brexit, the erosion of Europe and the internal destruction of Germany. The

political madness began with the Islamization of violence at the latest in 2015.