U.S. Senate votes against calling witnesses in Trump impeachment trial, clearing way for acquittal

[hugocnx]

24 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I don't understand the above, Alexander in essence said "we believe he did it but it does not rise to an impeachable offence"  Rubio said  "Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ...

"... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/marco-rubio-donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/index.html

So we have some in the republican saying he did not do it, some saying that he did it but it's not so bad, and some saying it is bad but it would be worst if we remove him.

  Something for everyone!

The only ones who do not by now believe he did not do it are those with Oatmeal  for brains. 

Trump did something stupid. Some may say he does that all the time but I firmly reject that. He has done a lot of good things too.

He tried to play a sort of cat and mouse game with the young Zelenski I guess but it backfired as mostly the dems were preying on him. He should have known better. 

Impeachable? Not to me and I don't know if the US constitution has other means of correcting a president other than plain impeachment. Court?

And what about so many getting away with what they have done or doing: HRC, Bidens, MSM, Big Tech, Obama, Clapper, Brannan, Comey, Strock, the Ohrs, Lynch. Yes, Bolton neocon as well.

 

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by hugocnx

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, chokrai said:

The Democrats had all their witnesses. They had no case just another hoax. Get used to losing you are going to have another 5 years of it at least.

Hoax?  The evidence presented forced a number of Republican Senators to abandon the "no crime" excuse and go to "not an impeachable offense".  Senator Rubio stated that what Trump did was impeachable, but then weakly excused himself from doing his duty with the excuse that it would be traumatic to the nation.

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Yes. Up until Bush there was a lot of consensus. But with Clinton the divide between GOP and Dems increased dramatically, and it is the same today.  Clinton was absolutely guilty - but the Dems acquited anyway - now they do not work together much at all.

 

Clinton didn't cause the lack of consensus, that was Newt Gingrich.  The Clinton investigation should have never happened, Kenneth Starr was given unlimited time and money to dig up anything he could find on the Clinton's by Republicans who couldn't stand the fact that Clinton won the election.  How long would Trump last under such a well-financed, open-ended investigation?

 

Clinton was impeached for lying about a <deleted>, something that in no way undermined democracy in this country.  Trump was impeached for undermining the upcoming Presidential election.  That is impeachable.

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

True. Especially as a repub. Marci rubio takes the cake.

 

"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ...

"... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation."

 

Real good. Its impeachable but he doesnt want to do it. Does he think that this will unite? What an idiot.

 

Translation: "he did it, but but but I'm too much of a wimp to stand up for myself."

Rubio proved himself a fool all well and good in his first years in the Senate and during the 2015-16 campaign, and has since been sitting there with his thumb up his bum and kissing the orange backside like a good Republican.  The only thing I ever saw him do that exhibited any sort of spine was that encounter in the Senate hallway when he told Alex Jones (the king with the tinfoil crown) to buzz off, but then again that had all the daring of confronting the guy who cut in front of him at McDonald's.  As genuine as a three-dollar bill, that Marco.

 

But keep an eye on him for 2024, his fellow Florida US Senator, Rick Scott, also an invertebrate GOP yes-man, has his eye on the White House as well.

Rick Scott runs Biden-attack ad in Iowa, sparking 2024 talk

 

Let's see if these guys have the guts to go up against Don Jr.

 

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by bendejo

[sirineou]

3 hours ago, hugocnx said:

Trump did something stupid. Some may say he does that all the time but I firmly reject that. He has done a lot of good things too.

He tried to play a sort of cat and mouse game with the young Zelenski I guess but it backfired as mostly the dems were preying on him. He should have known better. 

Impeachable? Not to me and I don't know if the US constitution has other means of correcting a president other than plain impeachment. Court?

And what about so many getting away with what they have done or doing: HRC, Bidens, MSM, Big Tech, Obama, Clapper, Brannan, Comey, Strock, the Ohrs, Lynch. Yes, Bolton neocon as well.

 

 

So what's behind door number two for you then. Boys will be boys. 

[earlinclaifornia]

10 hours ago, hugocnx said:

Yes and he also stated that it was not enough for putting Trump out of office for.

If you tell something, tell it all and not like the Schiff Club did. 

He did it. Deny, deflect and he did it so what. MO on everything. November House increases Senate goes and Presidency goes. Independent

[Skeptic7]

What a sham and a scam. The impeachment process is a failure and needs reworked. The founders made a huge mistake thinking that only honorable and integrity filled people would be elected. Those whom would put Country and Constitution before party and self. 

A sad day for the USA. ☹️

[spidermike007]

The GOP will pay a heavy price for the disloyalty and irrational behavior they have shown toward the American people. 75% wanted witnesses and documents. That includes tens of millions of republics, who are decent people, and simply wanted to know the truth. But, instead they went lockstep with the guilty Master. Not a smart strategy. I expect the dems to pick up at least 10 more seats in the house, and there is a possibility of a majority in the Senate. There is a distinct possibility that Trump will be humiliated come November, and kicked out of Washington permanently, to return to a nearly bankrupted empire. His name is so radioactive, that nobody will want to touch his name anymore.

 

He did this to himself. Hopefully, once he loses the election, the SDNY will pursue him vigorously for bank fraud. He is a career criminal. It is only a matter of time before the law catches up to him.

 

 

[sucit]

I think i disagree with everyone.

 

Both the Clinton and this Trump impeachment are complete and utter piles of nothingness. Farces, fabricated to do what I have no idea. 

 

Bush Jr was a war criminal as far as the UN stating the Iraq war was illegal. Why wasn't he impeached. To me that is actually impeachable behavior: lying the public into a war and a region where millions have died and only corporation, not people, have profited. Impeach that! Impeach the <deleted> out of that. 

 

Every president is a criminal it would seem. Who they choose to impeach almost feels like throwing darts at a board with their eyes closed.

 

I just don't pay any attention because I think they are meant to distract from real issues people care about, like health care. The news is filled with stuff nobody cares about, it is absolutely amazing. 

[albertik]

18 hours ago, Sujo said:

Still impeached. Nixon clinton trump. 3 amigos.

Nixon was not impeached.  Please review your history.

[pmarlin]

23 hours ago, Mavideol said:

always thought that a trial needed to hear witnesses for acquittal or guilty verdicts.... guess in the so called greatest democracy in the word corruption/blackmail/threats are the easy way for acquittal, that's a very sad day for the USA

If it was a regular trial but this is a Senate Trail under the Senate rules. Strictly political.

[PhonThong]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The GOP will pay a heavy price for the disloyalty and irrational behavior they have shown toward the American people. 75% wanted witnesses and documents. That includes tens of millions of republics, who are decent people, and simply wanted to know the truth. But, instead they went lockstep with the guilty Master. Not a smart strategy. I expect the dems to pick up at least 10 more seats in the house, and there is a possibility of a majority in the Senate. There is a distinct possibility that Trump will be humiliated come November, and kicked out of Washington permanently, to return to a nearly bankrupted empire. His name is so radioactive, that nobody will want to touch his name anymore.

 

He did this to himself. Hopefully, once he loses the election, the SDNY will pursue him vigorously for bank fraud. He is a career criminal. It is only a matter of time before the law catches up to him.

 

 

Keep dreaming!

[rabas]

6 minutes ago, pmarlin said:

If it was a regular trial but this is a Senate Trail under the Senate rules. Strictly political.

All strictly political.  Impeachment under House rules and then trial under Senate rules. The House set the tone with a quick sham investigation then sought more political fodder in the Senate. The Senate said no. You reap what you sow.

[Tounge Thaied]

Just now, rabas said:

All strictly political.  Impeachment under House rules and then trial under Senate rules. The House set the tone with a quick sham investigation then sought more political fodder in the Senate. The Senate said no. You reap what you sow.

Exactly!!! The facts have been established in this impeachment process... No crime, no evidence of a crime, no quid pro quo ( unlike the corrupt Bidens ). Zelensky and Porsschenko both on the record, no pressure, no quid pro quo. The democrats had their chance, no direct evidence from the numerous witnesses that testified. No evidence folks, no evidence... end of story. The Senate is not required to re-litigate the entire 3 years now that Trump has been officially exonerated in any Russian Collusion, Ukrainian Collusion... the phone call with Zelensky, no quid pro quo directly from Zelynski and Porschenko... the farce is over. What a disgrace displayed by the hopeless democrats, who now have no front runner that can beat Trump at the ballot box. They now have to resurrect Hillary Clinton of all people to face Trump in the next election. It's over, the Dems blew it. Clinton will be the nominee, AGAIN, and AGAIN will lose. Let's review the investigation.
 

The corrupt Mueller Special Counsel led by the most conflicted, biased and criminal gang of Democrats in US history could not find a single crime after spending $40 million of tax payer money on a fraudulent ‘Russia Collusion’ scam.

 

The President was never allowed to defend himself or call out in court any of the abuses and crimes the Mueller gang took part in during the investigation.

The Democrats are created their own investigation of a phone call President Trump had with the newly elected Ukrainian leader into their own hands. They had their chance... they did their best to discredit a President who NEVER COMMITTED A CRIME.

 

1. The Democrat investigation took place in the Democrat led House.

2. They held it behind closed doors in a room in the basement of the capital.

3. They leaked anti-Trump smears daily as a result of their investigation.

4. The corrupt media did their best to promote the fraudulent investigation, like it did with the fraudulent Mueller sham.

5. The Republicans were not allowed to call witnesses.

6. Contrary to popular belief, the so called whistleblower is not the CIA operative in the whitehouse. Only one person in Congress knows who the whistleblower is – it's the same individual who ran the sham investigation – Lying and chronically dishonest Adam Shiffty Schiff.

7. Schiff and the Democrats interrupted any questions allowed by the Republicans in the House.

8. Schiff coached the witnesses.

9.Schiff is allowing witnesses not to answer Republican questions.

10. Schiff withheld transcripts of interviews from Republicans.

11. The President was not allowed to rebut any accusations or even have his lawyers present in the meetings.

The Democrats had their shot. They blew it. It's over folks. 3 years of political BS for nothing. 

[JHolmesJr]

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/02/01/des-moines-register-cnn-cancels-release-iowa-poll-over-respondent-concerns/4637168002/

 

Hahahaha...if the poll don't fit, we must withdraw it.

 

Bernie strikes again.....remind me again, was president trump ordering investigations into

a political rival?

Edited February 2, 2020 by JHolmesJr

[hugocnx]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The GOP will pay a heavy price for the disloyalty and irrational behavior they have shown toward the American people. 75% wanted witnesses and documents. That includes tens of millions of republics, who are decent people, and simply wanted to know the truth. But, instead they went lockstep with the guilty Master. Not a smart strategy. I expect the dems to pick up at least 10 more seats in the house, and there is a possibility of a majority in the Senate. There is a distinct possibility that Trump will be humiliated come November, and kicked out of Washington permanently, to return to a nearly bankrupted empire. His name is so radioactive, that nobody will want to touch his name anymore.

 

He did this to himself. Hopefully, once he loses the election, the SDNY will pursue him vigorously for bank fraud. He is a career criminal. It is only a matter of time before the law catches up to him.

 

 

Subtract 50% of it for the never Trumpers. What is left is that half of the Trump voters had an interest in the witnesses. Nothing really worrying and not worth your doom scenario or that of other doom prophets. What would be really doom for many dems is that 2020 elections will result in conservative house and senate.

[candide]

10 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Subtract 50% of it for the never Trumpers. What is left is that half of the Trump voters had an interest in the witnesses. Nothing really worrying and not worth your doom scenario or that of other doom prophets. What would be really doom for many dems is that 2020 elections will result in conservative house and senate.

BS!

Your around 50% is the percentage of Republican voters who want witnesses.

95% of Democrats

75% of independents49% of Republicans

https://www.newsweek.com/75-americans-trends-after-poll-shows-majority-americans-want-hear-witnesses-trump-1484487

[hugocnx]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

BS!

Your around 50% is the percentage of Republican voters who want witnesses.

95% of Democrats

75% of independents49% of Republicans

https://www.newsweek.com/75-americans-trends-after-poll-shows-majority-americans-want-hear-witnesses-trump-1484487

Not even 100% of democrats? 

I think we mean exactly the same, only stated different.

Why is mine BS just because you cannot follow the reasoning.

[candide]

6 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Not even 100% of democrats? 

I think we mean exactly the same, only stated different.

Why is mine BS just because you cannot follow the reasoning.

Oops! My mistake. I read your post too quickly. Right, Trumpers will likely vote again for Trump and the anti-trumpets against him. However,  the 75% of independents is more worrying for Trump.

Edited February 2, 2020 by candide

[PhonThong]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

BS!

Your around 50% is the percentage of Republican voters who want witnesses.

95% of Democrats

75% of independents49% of Republicans

https://www.newsweek.com/75-americans-trends-after-poll-shows-majority-americans-want-hear-witnesses-trump-1484487

The Dems have shown once again that they are losers. Americans don't like to be on the losing side. My guess, the Republicans take the house back in a landslide victory. 

[metisdead]

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[Somewhere In Time]

6 hours ago, PhonThong said:

The Dems have shown once again that they are losers. Americans don't like to be on the losing side.

This.

 

Pithy; a savvy pundit indeed.

 

SIT

[JHolmesJr]

7 hours ago, hugocnx said:

What would be really doom for many dems is that 2020 elections will result in conservative house and senate.

The final straw that will have them running riot in the street is when Trump has to pick

a replacement for RBG.

[Ricohoc]

12 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

The final straw that will have them running riot in the street is when Trump has to pick

a replacement for RBG.

Trump may very well get 2 or 3 picks over the next 4 years.  

 

I predict that Clarence Thomas will retire while Trump is in office so that he can be replaced with a strong Originalist.  Breyer is getting up there.

 

I can see 6-3 or 7-2 by the time that Trump's second term ends.

[Crazy Alex]

Democrats told us their case was overwhelming. Why would new witnesses be needed?

 

The Senate handled the trial as they saw fit. As one of the left's most brilliant politicians once said, "elections have consequences." You just saw these consequences in both how the House and Senate handled these hearings. That should be obvious to even the casual observer.

 

Impeachment and removal was designed to have a very high bar for removing a president. The bar wasn't met.

 

So the Senate voting to put this sham to rest seems to have been inevitable and obvious all along.

[JHolmesJr]

13 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

Trump may very well get 2 or 3 picks over the next 4 years.  

 

I predict that Clarence Thomas will retire while Trump is in office so that he can be replaced with a strong Originalist.  Breyer is getting up there.

 

I can see 6-3 or 7-2 by the time that Trump's second term ends.

 

which explains all of chuck schumers antics on the senate floor recently.

 

(PS. When I typed Schumer, auto correct changed it to Schemer...weird but....)

Edited February 2, 2020 by JHolmesJr

[Crazy Alex]

 

7 hours ago, candide said:

Oops! My mistake. I read your post too quickly. Right, Trumpers will likely vote again for Trump and the anti-trumpets against him. However,  the 75% of independents is more worrying for Trump.

It's always a good move to bring up independents in politics. That said, how much will independents care about not having had witnesses come election day? I submit to you the same things will matter to them: how is the economy doing? Is America in peace?

 

Sadly, we still have many in our military at risk overseas. This is one of my disappointments in Trump. We should be out of Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria, with plans to reduce our overseas footprint. Still, we've been in these entanglements for so long, I'm not sure it will work against Trump much if at all.

 

The pocketbook takes precedence. The incumbent has the advantage. This has to be what terrifies Democrats.

[chokrai]

34 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

The final straw that will have them running riot in the street is when Trump has to pick

a replacement for RBG.

Yup They will go completely ballistic, it's going to be great. With any luck at all it will happen during the election. CNN and MNSBC will be stroking out on air on mass.

[Cryingdick]

17 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Democrats told us their case was overwhelming. Why would new witnesses be needed?

 

The Senate handled the trial as they saw fit. As one of the left's most brilliant politicians once said, "elections have consequences." You just saw these consequences in both how the House and Senate handled these hearings. That should be obvious to even the casual observer.

 

Impeachment and removal was designed to have a very high bar for removing a president. The bar wasn't met.

 

So the Senate voting to put this sham to rest seems to have been inevitable and obvious all along.

 

They made a huge blunder not going to the courts. It's funny how each side sees things so differently the dems think Pelosi is some sort of oracle. The reality is the way this was all handled it is the biggest political miscalculation of our lifetimes.

 

I hope every time she picks up one of her souvenir pens from the signing it reminds her of how moronic this ended up being.

 

 

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, chokrai said:

Yup They will go completely ballistic, it's going to be great. With any luck at all it will happen during the election. CNN and MNSBC will be stroking out on air on mass.

 

Youtube is where the Yuge melt downs are going to be.