Klobuchar surge in New Hampshire could reshuffle Democratic White House race

[sucit]

On 2/14/2020 at 7:04 PM, Berkshire said:

Geez man, you are naive beyond belief.  So tell me, how do you think Trump got elected in 2016?  Hint: It had nothing to do with his debating skills.  Or facts, policies, ideas,...nothing like that.  Look, we're on the same team...I think.  I want Trump out, I don't care who does it. 

I know we are both happy. But how do you feel about calling me naive with these new numbers showing Sanders in the lead in Texas? 

 

I never really got to answer your question, I was too excited about responding to the "but if you add all the centrist votes together, Bernie is not winning". That statement is still coming in at the top of the horse <deleted> pile for me. 

 

Trump won largely because of qualities that Sanders has! #1 Trump is not an establishment candidate. Unfortunately for us all, he does tend to get convinced to follow the establishment policies often, like when he assassinates generals for example. 

 

#2 He was anti war and ran on pulling the troops out. 

 

That is why he won. He did not follow up on #1 or #2 actually, and people know Sanders will. 

 

The last sentence you wrote is so wrong it is difficult to even respond. It is maddening knowing people think like this. No, it does matter who takes Trump out. The right and left are united on the most important issues for us like foreign policy and health care. Wars will continue and everything will stay the same if Klobuchar is elected. I think it is arguable that a candidate like Clinton or even Klobuchar would be more warmongering than Trump. So again, no. Please stop thinking like that, it is just way too naive ????

Edited February 15, 2020 by sucit

[sucit]

Lastly, it looks like Sanders is more popular than any candidate, even head to head.

https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-shows-sanderss-strength-going-head-to-head-with-rivals-181522968.html

 

Klobuchar is 21 point behind him if you don't feel like clicking. 

 

There is basically no putting your head in the sand and denying any of this any longer. The mainstream media idiotic talking points lasted a while, but the numbers coming in now seem to put every doubt to rest. 

Edited February 15, 2020 by sucit

[Jingthing]

Amy in the spotlight --

 

 

[Jingthing]

As far as the math goes, it appears now that we're likely to be headed to a contested convention. Meaning no candidate will be able to win on the first ballot. That is unusual and means predicting a winner is nothing more than a guess. Assuming Sanders will probably be leading in delegates for the first ballot (or perhaps Bloomberg) that in no way means that it is likely that the initial top delegate getter will be nominated. Everyone knows that going on so please no cries of fixes. 

 

Of course if any candidate, Sanders included, can manage to get enough delegates for a first ballot win, then of course, they will definitely be nominated.

 

Here's the reason. About 65 percent of the delegates will be set very soon, early March. We're likely to still have lots of candidates to split all that even if Biden soon drops out. So that means that even IF (a big if) the field drops to only two candidates after that, one candidate would need to win the vast majority of remaining delegates. Because there will only be 35 percent left, that's possible but hard.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Jingthing

[alex8912]

I love all posters saying things like:

”She’s brilliant “ “She’s my favorite candidate from the beginning” on and on and on!! 
There are no cults in the USA regarding any candidate. Get your poisoned minds and repetitious behavior in check. The average person in the USA likes qualities usually in at least 2 candidates. 
Sanders will most likely be the candidate to potentially beat Trump, especially if the under 30’s come out and vote more. EVERYBODY loves free stuff!! It’s just simply true. The over 60’s will like not having to chip in for their children’s and grandchildren’s school loans and medical care as well. 
Now getting back to Amy quotes lol . How about this TRUE fact: 

“She did not know who the President of Mexico is!!” Yes America shares borders with just two countries and Amy doesn’t even know the name of the President of our neighbor with over 130 million people is!  We have a massive trade program with Mexico and she does not know this!! Stupid! 
If you can get off CNN and MSNBC ( who’s followers maybe are a cult), you might know this fact. I don’t open links here so I won’t post one. Use google and see Amy’s interview with telemundo. You think she would have used google herself before sitting down with Telemundo! 

[sucit]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Amy in the spotlight --

 

 

Amy not knowing neighboring Mexican president's name: 

 

More noteworthy may be the difficulty in finding this video. If Sanders did this it would be plastered all over the headlines. Gotta love the cover these idiot, establishment puppets get from their mass media partners. 

 

[sucit]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

That is unusual and means predicting a winner is nothing more than a guess.

Predicting the winner of a football game with 2 minutes left and one team has a 40 point lead is a guess too. It is just a very easy guess to make considering the situation. 

 

If you really wanna man up though, since it is "just a guess" at this point I will lay a grand on Sanders. Go ahead and pick who you like. 

 

 

[sucit]

1 hour ago, alex8912 said:

I love all posters saying things like:

”She’s brilliant “ “She’s my favorite candidate from the beginning” on and on and on!! 
There are no cults in the USA regarding any candidate. Get your poisoned minds and repetitious behavior in check. The average person in the USA likes qualities usually in at least 2 candidates. 
Sanders will most likely be the candidate to potentially beat Trump, especially if the under 30’s come out and vote more. EVERYBODY loves free stuff!! It’s just simply true. The over 60’s will like not having to chip in for their children’s and grandchildren’s school loans and medical care as well. 
Now getting back to Amy quotes lol . How about this TRUE fact: 

“She did not know who the President of Mexico is!!” Yes America shares borders with just two countries and Amy doesn’t even know the name of the President of our neighbor with over 130 million people is!  We have a massive trade program with Mexico and she does not know this!! Stupid! 
If you can get off CNN and MSNBC ( who’s followers maybe are a cult), you might know this fact. I don’t open links here so I won’t post one. Use google and see Amy’s interview with telemundo. You think she would have used google herself before sitting down with Telemundo! 

Some leader there. She answered "yes" to the question, looked over to her aide like a 12 year old schoolgirl, and finally fessed up and said "no". But, she did make sure we knew that she knew Mexico shared a border with the US. Impressive. 

[Jingthing]

Great background on a brokered convention and explains the big difference in the situation for SUPER delegates between 2016 and 2020.

 

So again failing to win on the first ballot would be particularly bad news for Bernie.

 

If Warren is still in by then as she has seemed to have transitioned from the Bernie lane to her own "unity" lane between Bernie and the others, she might be positioned to be the best possible "compromise" choice that would make the fewest number of democrats feel disenfranchised.

 

But that would only work if the consensus for later ballots is that Warren has an excellent chance of beating 45 relative to the other choices.

 

It might be worth adding perhaps to non-Americans that see these party rules as messy and random, that party rules are the business of the parties and parties are not addressed in the

founding document of the U.S. government. 

 

https://www.pbs.org/tpt/constitution-usa-peter-sagal/we-the-people/political-parties/

 

 

For example I would be free to try to start a new party today called the Know Nothing Party (a far-right nativist political party from the mid 1800's that actually used to exist and you gotta love that name) and the rules could be nominations are based on lottery numbers. Totally legal and constitutional.  Wouldn't have any credibility but still totally legal. 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Jingthing

[gk10002000]

Stop running it like some soap opera, twitter contest, popularity contest.  How about going out and getting some qualified candidates?  Isn't there any Democratic governor of some state out their that wants the job and might be good at it?  If so, put him on the platform and give the people a chance to vote for =.

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

Stop running it like some soap opera, twitter contest, popularity contest.  How about going out and getting some qualified candidates?  Isn't there any Democratic governor of some state out their that wants the job and might be good at it?  If so, put him on the platform and give the people a chance to vote for =.

There were multiple democratic governors that launched candidacies for 2020 but none found any significant support so all of them have dropped out by now. So really too late.

We have our list of credibly possibles now. 

 

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Cheer up, Democrats. You have a good field of candidates.

THE NEW HAMPSHIRE primary is supposed to narrow a party’s nominee roster. This year, it widened the field — and sparked much anxiety among Democrats about the persistent crowd of candidates. But there’s a bright side to all these shades of blue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cheer-up-democrats-you-have-a-good-field-of-candidates/2020/02/14/2a1a5a60-4f52-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html

 

But for those looking for executive experience, running big stuff, Bloomberg fills that space being a three term governor of America's biggest city. 

 

Not sure what your point is about popularity contests. Elections of candidates are naturally about selecting the most popular choices. Primaries have the added twist that candidates that are most popular within a particular party may be much less popular in the country overall. 

 

This year electability is an even bigger question than it usually is, because the reelection of the current president is seen as an existential threat to the future of American democracy to a significant number of democrats. 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Jingthing

[Berkshire]

9 hours ago, sucit said:

Lastly, it looks like Sanders is more popular than any candidate, even head to head.

https://news.yahoo.com/new-yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-shows-sanderss-strength-going-head-to-head-with-rivals-181522968.html

 

Klobuchar is 21 point behind him if you don't feel like clicking. 

 

There is basically no putting your head in the sand and denying any of this any longer. The mainstream media idiotic talking points lasted a while, but the numbers coming in now seem to put every doubt to rest. 

You appear to be all-in for Bernie.  It's too early to tell, although we can see he's doing well currently.  But this article describes why moderate Dems are concerned. 

 

[...moderate Democrats on Capitol Hill concerned that, if the self-described democratic socialist wins the party’s presidential nomination, it could jeopardize efforts to protect their House majority and take control of the Senate.]

 

["Trump is going to make this a referendum on whether you want to build on the economy we have, or junk it and turn to socialism," he said. "That does not play well for candidates in bellwether areas."]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moderate-democrats-worried-sanders-surge-2020-field-090034502.html

[Jingthing]

More explanation about relatively small differences in policy proposals between democrats ultimately won't matter and even could contribute to the democratic nominee losing. Eyes on the prize. Get 45 out of there! Then keep the house. Then turn the senate. 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/14/democrats-are-wasting-time-fighting-over-policies-senate-will-never-pass/?arc404=true

 

There’s no point in fighting

Democratic candidates are wasting their time — and hurting their chances — bickering over policies they’ll never get to implement.

 

It was a sight to behold: a former vice president, two senators and a former mayor on a stage in New Hampshire a week ago, arguing over the impossible. 

Edited February 16, 2020 by Jingthing

[Sujo]

15 hours ago, alex8912 said:

I love all posters saying things like:

”She’s brilliant “ “She’s my favorite candidate from the beginning” on and on and on!! 
There are no cults in the USA regarding any candidate. Get your poisoned minds and repetitious behavior in check. The average person in the USA likes qualities usually in at least 2 candidates. 
Sanders will most likely be the candidate to potentially beat Trump, especially if the under 30’s come out and vote more. EVERYBODY loves free stuff!! It’s just simply true. The over 60’s will like not having to chip in for their children’s and grandchildren’s school loans and medical care as well. 
Now getting back to Amy quotes lol . How about this TRUE fact: 

“She did not know who the President of Mexico is!!” Yes America shares borders with just two countries and Amy doesn’t even know the name of the President of our neighbor with over 130 million people is!  We have a massive trade program with Mexico and she does not know this!! Stupid! 
If you can get off CNN and MSNBC ( who’s followers maybe are a cult), you might know this fact. I don’t open links here so I won’t post one. Use google and see Amy’s interview with telemundo. You think she would have used google herself before sitting down with Telemundo! 

well it doesnt bother some that trump got the state that won the superbowl wrong.

 

Shes not running for ofgice in mexico. If thats the worse thing she does shes miles ahead.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Sujo

[Jingthing]

32 minutes ago, Sujo said:

well it doesnt bother some that trump got the state that won the superbowl wrong.

 

Shes not running for ofgice in mexico. If thats the worse thing she does shes miles ahead.

Agreed but it won't help her in heavily Latino Nevada. One thing you can be sure of -- she knows NOW!

Edited February 16, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Bernie and the myth of the magic of turnout.  

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/no-radical-policies-wont-drive-election-winning-turnout/2020/02/14/07a0b602-4e97-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html

 

 

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No, radical policies won’t drive election-winning turnout

Despite what Sanders says, Democrats still have to persuade voters in the middle.

 

No myth is stronger in progressive circles than the magical, wonderworking powers of voter turnout. It’s become a sort of pixie dust that you sprinkle over your strenuously progressive positions to ward off any suggestion that they might turn off voters.

 

 

[darksidedog]

A reported troll post with a number of inaccuracies has been removed.

[alex8912]

6 hours ago, Sujo said:

well it doesnt bother some that trump got the state that won the superbowl wrong.

 

Shes not running for ofgice in mexico. If thats the worse thing she does shes miles ahead.

Yah comparing apples and kangaroos. You are are huge denier if you think she should NOT know who the President of Mexico is. I was embarrassed for her watching her. This thread has ZERO to do with Trump and there is a Kansas City Kansas and Missouri. 

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Yah comparing apples and kangaroos. You are are huge denier if you think she should NOT know who the President of Mexico is. I was embarrassed for her watching her. This thread has ZERO to do with Trump and there is a Kansas City Kansas and Missouri. 

Not being able to recall the name of someone is a lot different than not knowing who they are. I am sure that when  she needed to know his name she could ask an aid. 

[Cryingdick]

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

Not being able to recall the name of someone is a lot different than not knowing who they are. I am sure that when  she needed to know his name she could ask an aid. 

 

She should have just replied that guy who speaks Spanish. Yeah, I know him.

[bendejo]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Also famous television personality Katie Couric says following that  -- Trump is dying to run against Bernie.

Listen up, folks!  Even Katie Couric can read the writing on the wall!

 

 

[metisdead]

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[Jingthing]

For your consideration, obviously Amy is in the lane that feels Bernie is too far left to beat 45. Amy's lane is crowded. Bernie's isn't. 

 

An interesting quote from a leading voice that putting up someone from the far left is a gift to 45, and also not to get overly bogged down on small differences over policies -- JAMES CARVILLE. 

 

Quote

If you don't win, you have nothing.
I think that Trumpism is the most odious and dangerous thing this country has faced since the fall of communism. The only thing between the United States and the Abyss is the democratic party.

James Carville

on The Circus: Inside the Greatest Political Show on Earth

Season 5, Episode 4 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2020 by Jingthing

[Hanuman2547]

On 2/14/2020 at 7:28 AM, Jingthing said:

-- beating 45 and making sure he actually leaves office if he loses. Whether that be with Klobuchar, Bloomberg, or fill in the blank, any other outcome would be tragic. 

 

Are you making the argument that if 45 is beaten he will refuse to leave office?  That he will somehow refuse to accept the election results and continue as President?

[Hanuman2547]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yes that is a real risk. Anyone that has watched his behavior and speech would realize that by now. If he leaves office he's subject to indictment and prison. 

 

In essence you are suggesting that he would be staging a political coup, disregarding the US Constitution, and declaring himself the leader of the country with no end in sight.  Would the US Marshals and FBI allow this to happen and follow his directives?  In Thailand, yes this could very well happen.  Trump taking a play out of the Thailand political playbook?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Hanuman2547 said:

In essence you are suggesting that he would be staging a political coup, disregarding the US Constitution, and declaring himself the leader of the country with no end in sight.  Would the US Marshals and FBI allow this to happen and follow his directives?  In Thailand, yes this could very well happen.  Trump taking a play out of the Thailand political playbook?

There is a good chance he will try.  I don't think he has surrounded himself with enough people who put loyalty to Trump over loyalty to the US Constitution and rule of law, but he is trying.  If he's given four more years he may succeed.