Shooting in German city leaves at least 8 people dead - report

[dunroaming]

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I've always said to my wife, we will wait a few more years until I reach full UK retirement age, and then sell my house and buy a nice big house in the UK countryside somewhere, with a nice garden. Then we will just live in the house and order the food in, watch the tv movies and relax, knowing that the bad stuff is hopefully on the outside. Wife is more than happy with that. World's just not what it was these days. (Burglars and mad house breaking Islamic nutcases aside !)

Don't forget the right wing nutcases that are the bigger threat now.  Fastest growing problem for the security forces according to reports.  Not on the same scale as in Germany at the moment but still growing rapidly in the UK thanks to the current morons in Downing Street.

 

Interesting take on your idea of your ideal scenario though.  You will need somewhere on high ground and those places will be costing more thanks to the continual flooding.  Food deliveries will be easy enough because they will arrive by drones.  Does beg the question, why the UK?  If you are just going to stay in your own personal castle and watch tv movies, why not somewhere warm and friendlier like Spain?  Houses are less expensive, the hospitals are good and you have the weather to really enjoy your garden.  That is where I will end up and I am really looking forward to it.  

[URMySunshine]

15 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Not allowed to own a gun in the uk for self defense,that right was taken away with the introduction of firearms law which said people don,t need guns for protection the police are there for that.

Yup not having freely available firearms in the UK is a wonderful thing.

[URMySunshine]

3 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Don't forget the right wing nutcases that are the bigger threat now.  Fastest growing problem for the security forces according to reports.  Not on the same scale as in Germany at the moment but still growing rapidly in the UK thanks to the current morons in Downing Street.

 

Interesting take on your idea of your ideal scenario though.  You will need somewhere on high ground and those places will be costing more thanks to the continual flooding.  Food deliveries will be easy enough because they will arrive by drones.  Does beg the question, why the UK?  If you are just going to stay in your own personal castle and watch tv movies, why not somewhere warm and friendlier like Spain?  Houses are less expensive, the hospitals are good and you have the weather to really enjoy your garden.  That is where I will end up and I am really looking forward to it.  

If you are thinking like that then you should be seriously prepping for the virus like NOW !

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

Yup not having freely available firearms in the UK is a wonderful thing.

Yup,if you,'re a criminal or terrorist law abiding victims can,t defend themselves.

[DannyCarlton]

10 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Shisha Bars. Leads me to speculate: Drugs, Business dispute, Terrorism, Family Honour.

 

Prayers for the victims.

Leaves me to speculate right wing nationalist taking out known Moslem haunts.

[URMySunshine]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Leaves me to speculate right wing nationalist taking out known Moslem haunts.

The Breibartian ethno-nationalists and their fellow travellers keep spewing out their hate fuelled bile. It comes as no surprise that Thailand acts as a honey pot for so many of them. And with a beautiful irony their counterparts in Thailand sees them in the same way as they see 'foreign' i.e with thinly veiled contempt. 

 

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

[dunroaming]

3 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

The Breibartian ethno-nationalists and their fellow travellers keep spewing out their hate fuelled bile. It comes as no surprise that Thailand acts as a honey pot for so many of them. And with a beautiful irony their counterparts in Thailand sees them in the same way as they see 'foreign' i.e with thinly veiled contempt. 

 

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Well said 

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

The Breibartian ethno-nationalists and their fellow travellers keep spewing out their hate fuelled bile. It comes as no surprise that Thailand acts as a honey pot for so many of them. And with a beautiful irony their counterparts in Thailand sees them in the same way as they see 'foreign' i.e with thinly veiled contempt. 

 

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

It's become a global desease, "You're either for us or against us". Wonder who revived that phrase? But you're correct in saying that it's particularly prevalent amongst expats in Thailand and in particular on this forum.

[TopDeadSenter]

The important thing at this stage is social cohesion. It does not help at all to start bandying labels around calling people nazis or isis fans, due to one nutters actions. That is terribly divisive behavior. You will note that when one of these spectaculars is carried out by the usual suspects we all change our facebook pages in a show of solidarity with the perpetrators ideology to prove they are not all guilty, and even go as far as randomly hugging them on the streets. That is helpful. That sends a stronger message to unhinged haters. 

 RIP to the victims of this senseless crime. 

[URMySunshine]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The important thing at this stage is social cohesion. It does not help at all to start bandying labels around calling people nazis or isis fans, due to one nutters actions. That is terribly divisive behavior. You will note that when one of these spectaculars is carried out by the usual suspects we all change our facebook pages in a show of solidarity with the perpetrators ideology to prove they are not all guilty, and even go as far as randomly hugging them on the streets. That is helpful. That sends a stronger message to unhinged haters. 

 RIP to the victims of this senseless crime. 

Nice words maybe you can tweet that to your hero as well. 

[ivor bigun]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

 

 

Wow, you and Deli have taken explaining away hate crimes to a whole new level. 

So they dont do hate crimes, tell that to those in the west and Christians all over the world . Oh and by the way i was not on the side of this nutcase ,he is as bad as the other side that kill us .

Edited February 20, 2020 by ivor bigun

[Krataiboy]

12 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

 

Idk but we also had some clan shootings in germany, like italian mafia clans shooting each other, arab mafia vs russian mafia, hells angels vs bandidos etc....

 

If i had to guess, i would say this is also organized crime related. 

 

My home city got more dangerous when the stupid cops removed the Hells Angels from controlling the red light area, they kept everything safe for normal people - the kosovo and serb mafia who came after them was dangerous.

Ah, the joys of multicuralism and diversity.

[Bluespunk]

38 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

So they dont do hate crimes, tell that to those in the west and Christians all over the world . Oh and by the way i was not on the side of this nutcase ,he is as bad as the other side that kill us .

I did not say you were on his side, I said you were explaining away his hate crime. 
 

Your use of the word “they” tells me all I need to know about why you do so. 
 

Edit: missed out word ‘not’ in opening sentence. Apologies for any misunderstanding caused by this. 

Edited February 20, 2020 by Bluespunk
Missing word

[ivor bigun]

Well reading the latest reports on this fruitcake ,it seems he hated muslims Jews , aliens from outer space  who were controlling the govt ,also they were sacrificing babies ,the list goes on ,

lets face it this guy was not right ,wing ,left wing or any wing ,but a complete nut job.

[bert bloggs]

16 hours ago, simple1 said:

BBC reporting those murdered were Kurds (the people who helped defeating ISIS). The mass murder allegedly by a white far right extremist who apparently also killed his mother and committed suicide. Sounds similar to the political motivations of Anders, the killer in Christchurch and some other White extremists.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51567971

Actually was reading the papers this morning about this guy ,seems he hated just about everybody ,and believed in aliens ,and far more stupid stuff , so was far more than the white extreemist with political motivations you make him out to be ,seems more likely mentally deranged.

[Chomper Higgot]

40 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Well reading the latest reports on this fruitcake ,it seems he hated muslims Jews , aliens from outer space  who were controlling the govt ,also they were sacrificing babies ,the list goes on ,

lets face it this guy was not right ,wing ,left wing or any wing ,but a complete nut job.

A complete nut job fully loaded on the hatred shared by much of the rightwing.

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Actually was reading the papers this morning about this guy ,seems he hated just about everybody ,and believed in aliens ,and far more stupid stuff , so was far more than the white extreemist with political motivations you make him out to be ,seems more likely mentally deranged.

I would say anyone who commits mass murder is mentally deranged,  However, the killer had a manifesto outlining the 'reasons' for his murderous acts which are aligned to White Right Wing extremist ideology.

[ivor bigun]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I would say anyone who commits mass murder is mentally deranged,  However, the killer had a manifesto outlining the 'reasons' for his murderous acts which are aligned to White Right Wing extremist ideology.

well he hated Jews ,now who else hates them and bombs them? not just right wingers , this was not only about religion ,read the reports .

Edited February 21, 2020 by ivor bigun

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

well he hated Jews ,now who else hates them and bombs them? not just right wingers , this was not only about religion ,read the reports .

You are correct, the killer’s rightwing ideology was not just about religion.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Let’s be honest here, the link between mental illness, racism and violent, extreme rightwing ideology, it’s got a well documented history.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

well he hated Jews ,now who else hates them and bombs them? not just right wingers , this was not only about religion ,read the reports .

So far media reports point to a guy who fundamentally followed White right wing extremism,. Up to you if you seek deflection to possible left influences. which is a common trait with some right wingers. Many from the far right wing are also anti Semitic as well as adherents to debunked conspiracy theories.

 

https://www.thelocal.de/20200220/what-we-know-about-hanau-shooter-tobias-r

 

https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-shooter-said-he-wanted-to-kill-people-from-Israel-Asia-and-Africa-618230

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

well he hated Jews ,now who else hates them and bombs them? not just right wingers , this was not only about religion ,read the reports .

Glad to hear he was not a right wing racist. Oh wait,

.

[tlandtday]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s be honest here, the link between mental illness, racism and violent, extreme rightwing ideology, it’s got a well documented history.

And your facts are where?  Mental illness knows no boundaries.  It happens with many people from many different backgrounds.  Applying specific prejudices to specific groups is dangerous and you are obviously guilty of this.

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Apologist for rightwing murderer.

A number of such have raised their heads on this thread. 

[Bluespunk]

Amazing how a thread about a murdering scumbag piece of filth becomes an excuse for many to launch their tirades against Islam. 
 

Beam me up, Scotty. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by Bluespunk

[bert bloggs]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Amazing how a thread about a murdering scumbag piece of filth becomes an excuse for many to launch their tirades against Islam. 
 

Beam me up, Scotty. 

All i see is an account of the terrible things that they have done , if this is a tirade ,i fail to see it,please point out the untrouths that were posted.

Also i agree with you he was a murdering scumbag ,but he was mad  as a box of frogs ,ranting on about Aliens and baby sacrifices by govt officials as well 

[Bluespunk]

6 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

All i see is an account of the terrible things that they have done , if this is a tirade ,i fail to see it,please point out the untrouths that were posted.

Also i agree with you he was a murdering scumbag ,but he was mad  as a box of frogs ,ranting on about Aliens and baby sacrifices by govt officials as well 

“they”

 

Says it all. 

[Opl]

14 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Well reading the latest reports on this fruitcake ,it seems he hated muslims Jews , aliens from outer space  who were controlling the govt ,also they were sacrificing babies ,the list goes on ,

lets face it this guy was not right ,wing ,left wing or any wing ,but a complete nut job.

" He mixed extreme paranoia about secret state surveillance with far-right conspiracy tropes, misogyny and racist vitriol. Peter Neumann, a senior fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation at King’s College London, described the screed as a “do-it-yourself set of beliefs” that is increasingly common among violent far-right extremists."

Despite his incoherence, the 43-year-old tapped into an increasingly widespread vein of conspiracy theories originating in the United States, including many by QAnon, and woven into other specifically German themes.

Edited February 21, 2020 by Opl

[URMySunshine]

These threads show me who I would like to meet in a bar for a natter and who I would avoid like the plague. 

[yogi100]

On 2/20/2020 at 5:14 AM, tlandtday said:

Pretty simple actually if someone wants to kill you don't let them in your country.  If someone will give you a dangerous virus don't let them in the country. What's so hard to figure out about this?  Germany is a mess.

Those who promoted multiculturalism in Germany obviously overlooked what took place in the 1930s and 40s. The blood of those old nazis still flows in the veins of their descendants and it's beginning to bubble in anger.

 

Look at how the AfD has taken off in just a few years.

 

In spite of Merkel declaring in 2010 that multiculturalism in Germany had been a massive failure she and her fellow politicians insisted on shoehorning as many Muslims into the Fatherland as they possibly could.