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U.S. court deals serious blow to Trump's 'Remain in Mexico' immigration policy


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I aint' no build a wall kinda guy, and I'm not a Yank either. But, I kinda feel that to have hundreds of thousands of people fleeing their own countries because of economic and war pressures and 'invading' and 'overwhelming' the social services of that country needs to be addressed in different ways.

How about working towards 'carrots not sticks' approaches with the <deleted> who run these countries down to the point people flee them to survive! Share wealth and cooperation to help each other a bit more. Trade wars embargos unfair trade practices, exploitation for cheap labour, raping natural resources of one poor/er place to build up the lifestyles of another country might need to be seriously rethought.

Yeah I know that sounds like some socialist idea, maybe it is/! My thinking is along the lines of helping your neighbour to help yourself.

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19 hours ago, DoctorG said:

It is nearly always the 9th. Very odd. NOT

I believe they are the most overturned Appeals Court in the USA.

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You are correct.  The ninth circuit which has also been called the Ninth Circus court covers it is based in San Francisco and covers as it is described the LEFT COAST.  It is really frightening when you consider that the courts are suppose to read the law not make the law.  It is a sad commentary when the very same law can go to multiple courts finally ending in the Supreme Court and end up with different rulings.  If the law is properly enacted either by Congress, the regulatory bodies, or Congress it is not in their purview to inject their bias into the law.   Saying keeping them in Mexico was not "protecting them" is a fallacious argument.  Does that mean that the USA has the obligation to protect every person on earth?  Common sense says that these people were born outside the USA and should reside there until it is determined if they have a valid claim to be admitted.  No different than a citizen of Thailand who wishes to permanently reside in the USA.  The judges in effect were created law.  An open border policy where once you reach US soil you can not be deported but must be released in the general population.  That is hardly protecting the citizens of the USA not knowing who you let in. Further it makes a mockery of having any immigration laws which the justices are suppose to uphold. 

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I just read that the 9th stayed its own order.

 

Regardless, President Trump will win again when it hits the Supreme Court.

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1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

I just read that the 9th stayed its own order.

 

Regardless, President Trump will win again when it hits the Supreme Court.

The ruling was in effect for only a few hours, however, as the judges later granted a Trump administration request for an emergency stay “pending further order of this court.” WAPO.

 

The original order was made to enforce US international and domestic legal obligations not to contravene non refoulement policy.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-refoulement

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On 2/29/2020 at 1:02 PM, Mavideol said:

he will say that all 3 judges are NO Trumpers and will assign new ones, preferably Trumpists

 

Without knowing their politics or views, it's interesting that these judges assume all South Americans to be asylum seekers. Not illegal economic immigrants becoming criminals in trying to enter a country illegally.

 

 

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On 2/29/2020 at 7:21 PM, Tropposurfer said:

I aint' no build a wall kinda guy, and I'm not a Yank either. But, I kinda feel that to have hundreds of thousands of people fleeing their own countries because of economic and war pressures and 'invading' and 'overwhelming' the social services of that country needs to be addressed in different ways.

How about working towards 'carrots not sticks' approaches with the <deleted> who run these countries down to the point people flee them to survive! Share wealth and cooperation to help each other a bit more. Trade wars embargos unfair trade practices, exploitation for cheap labour, raping natural resources of one poor/er place to build up the lifestyles of another country might need to be seriously rethought.

Yeah I know that sounds like some socialist idea, maybe it is/! My thinking is along the lines of helping your neighbour to help yourself.

 

Their aren't any wars in South America. Lawless corrupt countries but not at war. People need to take responsibility for their own country. Not expect the US, UK, EU or Australia etc to simply let them move there and look after them.

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On 2/29/2020 at 1:02 PM, Mavideol said:

he will say that all 3 judges are NO Trumpers and will assign new ones, preferably Trumpists

He cant "assign" new judges. Why do you people all follow US politics, and then also claim to know how the US Gov works?

 

Judges to the 9th circuit are appointed. Someone dies, or retires, someone gets appointed.

 

 

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On 3/2/2020 at 11:40 AM, Baerboxer said:

 

Their aren't any wars in South America. Lawless corrupt countries but not at war. People need to take responsibility for their own country. Not expect the US, UK, EU or Australia etc to simply let them move there and look after them.

Agreed, and often overlooked, is that the USA, intervening in politics of another country, is then grounds to blame the US later (They always do) for taking sides, and any intervention by the USA, is taking a side. Fact of the matter is Governments in Central/South America, have for the most part always been a mess. And contrary to popular opinion it hasn't been the fault of US policy. A wall precedes, all discussion of immigration policy. 20 million illegal aliens, is a ridiculous number. We have literally lost control.

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On 2/29/2020 at 7:21 PM, Tropposurfer said:

I aint' no build a wall kinda guy, and I'm not a Yank either. But, I kinda feel that to have hundreds of thousands of people fleeing their own countries because of economic and war pressures and 'invading' and 'overwhelming' the social services of that country needs to be addressed in different ways.

How about working towards 'carrots not sticks' approaches with the <deleted> who run these countries down to the point people flee them to survive! Share wealth and cooperation to help each other a bit more. Trade wars embargos unfair trade practices, exploitation for cheap labour, raping natural resources of one poor/er place to build up the lifestyles of another country might need to be seriously rethought.

Yeah I know that sounds like some socialist idea, maybe it is/! My thinking is along the lines of helping your neighbour to help yourself.

Is it the responsiblity of the USA to give their useless governments money? To support them? Prop them up? Overthrow them? Put in a democratic new guy? It never ends.

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On 3/2/2020 at 12:37 PM, Baerboxer said:

 

Without knowing their politics or views, it's interesting that these judges assume all South Americans to be asylum seekers. Not illegal economic immigrants becoming criminals in trying to enter a country illegally.

 

 

They dont assume. Anyone turning up at the border and claiming asylum is indeed an asylum seeker.

 

They are not illegal economic migrants until their cases are heard and decided.

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