I have the coronavirus. So far, it hasn’t been that bad for me.

[FarFlungFalang]

13 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Apparently there is no corona virus in Thailand or Phuket !!

 

I used to say "unbelievable" I don't anymore,if I did I'm sure it would apply here.This is nearly as bad as lying about being in an at risk country when asked at a hospital.This is the sort of nonsense that makes this place an at risk country.

[welovesundaysatspace]

6 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

Nice MSM puff piece to keep the panic low.. 

If you though the role of the press is to create a panic you were probably confusing it with the conspiracy theory blogs you’re reading.  

 

[zydeco]

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

I have the coronavirus. And it hasn’t been that bad.

 

I am in my late 60s, and the sickest I’ve ever been was when I had bronchitis several years ago. That laid me out on my back for a few days. This has been much easier: no chills, no body aches. I breathe easily, and I don’t have a stuffy nose. My chest feels tight, and I have coughing spells. If I were at home with similar symptoms, I probably would have gone to work as usual.

Of course, the people on ventilators and in ICUs were indisposed when approached for an interview.

[metisdead]

A troll post been removed.

[placnx]

3 hours ago, Fore Man said:

I think your statistics regarding the 1918 Spanish Flu are incorrect...by a huge margin. That strain killed 40 to 50 million worldwide, six to seven times your estimate that 7 million could succumb to COVID-19, making it “the biggest killer on the planet” to date.

I would like to point out that Post #15 had a typo. 1% of 7 billion is 70,000,000, so such a number of fatalities would indeed be greater than the 1918-19 Spanish Flu (which BTW originated in China). While it is to be hoped that 1% fatalities do not occur in developed countries or Thailand, many specialists are warning that the pandemic will be disastrous in countries with poor medical care. There 1% would likely be an optimistic figure as medical facilities would soon be overwhelmed.

[RJRS1301]

8 hours ago, Tayaout said:

It's just the flu bro. 

While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million - 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 - 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 - 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

[Fore Man]

23 minutes ago, placnx said:

I would like to point out that Post #15 had a typo. 1% of 7 billion is 70,000,000, so such a number of fatalities would indeed be greater than the 1918-19 Spanish Flu (which BTW originated in China). While it is to be hoped that 1% fatalities do not occur in developed countries or Thailand, many specialists are warning that the pandemic will be disastrous in countries with poor medical care. There 1% would likely be an optimistic figure as medical facilities would soon be overwhelmed.

OK, thanks. I follow your reasoning.  Thanks for updating. Earth’s population has grown dramatically in a century!

[Tayaout]

26 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million - 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 - 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 - 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

If you want a laugh then check how many people die of influenza in China. 

[xerostar]

The govt reckons they are doing all they can.  I believe they're not.
For example I know a young lady who works in a 711 store.  She had a sore throat on and off for a week or so then began to have coughing fits.  I told her she should stay home until she recovers but she insists on going to work because, as she said, "who is going to pay the bills? I must work!"
I asked her if the boss had anything to say? "No, he just said keep working".
I asked if she had considered getting a test for the virus and the answer was "No, I have no time to go to hospital" 
If she did have the virus God knows how many people would have been exposed while she coughs around the shelves at 711?
The govt should make it every person's obligation to report such illnesses and get tests ASAP and hospitals and GPs given support to get the tests done. That way at least small areas could be quarantined and spread of the virus limited.
How can they hope to contain the virus if people with flu-like symptoms are allowed to roam free without getting tested?  This may seem trivial at this point in time, but as the problem grows, my fears may not seem so trivial.
This example also exposes the woeful inadequacies of the Thai system and lack of worker's rights.

[SiSePuede419]

12 hours ago, keith101 said:

With a mortality rate of around 2% think yourself luckier than some

Do you risk money in Casinos often?  

 

I want to play in a Casino or Lottery that I win 98% of the time. ????

 

PS You can cut your odds of being in that small 2% by not smoking cigarettes (COPD) and being grossly overweight from a bad diet and sedentary (diabetes, high blood pressure).

[sharksy]

7 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

Wow, that would be terrible.

 

Especially when the world is so short of people.

 

At the moment "only" approx 7.7 billion million people, of which approx 57 million die each year:

 

https://ourworldindata.org/births-and-deaths

 

57 million........Oh dear God, the tragedy, I think I'm going to cry.

 

Would you care to join me?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the math of the OP is wrong.

If there are 7.7 Billion people on earth, 10% would be 770million, 1% would be 77million.

Wait until the hospital beds fill up (if virus spreads), if will be a lot more than 1%

[roo860]

I went to Big C today, they've taken spread of this Coronavirus very seriously.

[sirineou]

33 minutes ago, sharksy said:

I think the math of the OP is wrong.

If there are 7.7 Billion people on earth, 10% would be 770million, 1% would be 77million.

Wait until the hospital beds fill up (if virus spreads), if will be a lot more than 1%

You are correct in that now maximum resources are applied to those infected, when the system is inundated and the resources exhausted the care available will diminish and mortality increase,. 

   On the other hand as more people are infected and recuperate,  (98% of them) they will develop immunity, decreasing the available hosts and transmission rate, Once the transmission rate falls below the 1:1 ration  the virus transmission will  not be self replicating.    So let's see.

  I am hoping  the theory that heat inhibits its transmission is true, and that summertime will give us the respite we need to develop a vaccine  

 

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by sirineou

[TheDark]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

You are correct in that now maximum resources are applied to those infected, when the system is inundated and the resources exhausted the care available will diminish and mortality increase,. 

   On the other hand as more people are infected and recuperate,  (98% of them) they will develop immunity, decreasing the available hosts and transmission rate, Once the transmission rate falls below the 1:1 ration  the virus transmission will  not be self replicating.    So let's see.

  I am hoping  the theory that heat inhibits its transmission is true, and that summertime will give us the respite we need to develop a vaccine  

Healthcare systems becoming overwhelmed can become a big problem. As the known fatality rate is 2%, the people who need intensive care is about 8%. 

 

Wuhan's mortality rate could have been lower, if the healthcare system had been more prepared for the virus. However China seemed to put a lot of efforts to control the rate. Will other countries have such resources? And what is the truth of the infection rate and mortality coming from whole China?

 

There has been at least two cases, where people have been already declared not virus carriers and have been released from the hospitals. One in China, one in Japan, IIRC. 

 

In those cases these people have been released from the hospitals too early, or the immune response has not been developed, which can be a case in some viral cases. Then there is always the possibility of mutations of the virus, which can fool the immune system. 

 

We can only wait and see, what is going to happen. 

 

 

 

[sharksy]

Unless I am misunderstanding the statistics, of the Active Cases, 18% are serious or critical.  Can I assume that these 18% all require hospital treatment?

If the hospital beds fill up, I can see that the death rate will be closer to this 18% figure.

I really hope not of course.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[alex8912]

14 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Lets not forget in the beginning that those who were infected surged, and that there was a lag in recoveries, e.g. it takes time to get over a flu/pneumonia and if you look at the latest stats you can work out that around 48% of those infected have recovered, those that have passed away were very old and the low % of any unfortunate middle age ones probably had weak immune systems or pre-existing conditions, RIP.

 

China did the right thing in shutting its borders down, albeit it was a little late, perhaps they were trying to get a handle on what it was, who knows, that said, it could have been worse, and yes the spread is now out there into Europe and the middle east, south-east Asia being the closest will also keep rising, but at the end of the day, it's predominantly media hype which cause panic and hysteria, albeit it is a flu/pneumonia causing virus.

 

I am 60 and in reasonably good health, weight etc etc, apart from a pre-existing condition and want to take the kids down south for a holiday as school finishes mid next week, and my Mrs has already told me of her concerns, returning to Oz in October for a holiday is out, I know that and I can appreciate her concerns, albeit she is saving me a packet.....lol, but locally, not phased, regardless of the BS numbers the Thai government have been pushing through.

 

It's just another strain of the flu, as mentioned 48%, otherwise why isn't the recovery rate lower, because they aren't dying, that's why, which makes it another flu virus, it's not a pandemic and that is why the WHO have not raised it to that level, they are keeping a cool head on it, albeit it take more lives (elderly) as it spreads, that's what the influenza does, kill the weak, frail and those with pre-existing conditions, if they are unfortunate enough to come into it's path.

 

Anyways I will slowly keep chipping at the old block and get these kids down south, because being cooped up in the house for two months with the kids ain't gonna gel with this cranky old man, besides he needs to see some eye candy ????

 

You mention you know of the media hype regarding this then you say a visit to Oz is definitely out seven plus months from now!!  Why in the world would you cancel a trip in October now? 

[TheDark]

1 hour ago, sharksy said:

Unless I am misunderstanding the statistics, of the Active Cases, 18% are serious or critical.  Can I assume that these 18% all require hospital treatment?

If the hospital beds fill up, I can see that the death rate will be closer to this 18% figure.

I really hope not of course.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There are some estimates that 60% of the world population will get infected by this coronavirus over the next 2 years. 

 

It's quite likely that most of these cases are so mild, that those are not even detected nor reported. 

 

Therefore, if the number of cases people being infected is increased by 10 fold, the number of serious and critical cases is likely to decrease by 10 fold as well. Reducing the current mortality rate to 0.2% and current serious cases to 1.8%. 

 

Doing the math is difficult as we don't yet have gotten real and reliable data. I guess after a month, when the coronavirus has better penetrated to the western world, we'll be a lot wiser. 

[ukrules]

I think a lot of the countries that care very little for the people will do nothing and wait for nature to take its course.

 

[kamahele]

20 hours ago, lust said:

And the moral of the article is?

Does there have to be a moral to the story? It's one person's story of what it is like to have the virus. Other than a fever for a few days and a cough, he has felt fine. End of story.

[4MyEgo]

4 hours ago, alex8912 said:

You mention you know of the media hype regarding this then you say a visit to Oz is definitely out seven plus months from now!!  Why in the world would you cancel a trip in October now? 

We had just been October 2019 and planned to go in April 2021, e.g. 6 people all up, so it's expensive, but affordable, there was a sale on for October, and I am always looking for cheap flights in October when the kids have school holidays, and the reason we said April 2021 was because A) kids have longer school holidays, B) the weather is different, C) more time to save for it and stay a little longer, D) my meds don't run out till then and the cruncher, E) the wife's fear of the Coronavirus with things being far more clear by then, in the meantime, I would be looking to book come sometime next month when the booking gates open.

 

As for me, I am always anxious to go on a holiday back to Oz, I shouldn't be really and suppose I am like a little kid, always looking for adventure and always look forward to planning events long in advance so I can continue tweaking our itinerary to get the most out of it for the kids, with them always loving the packed days events ????

 

So all of this has to be done around the kids school holidays and don't get me wrong, the Coronavirus is a concern, but not a lock everybody up deal breaker for me.  

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

i just saw an interview with a doctor from a 1st world country saying that

corona is not just the flu, that we should all be scared and alert, that

the media is trying to calm things when things are acctually not calm and

even on U.S. news they tell now to people to stock up on medicines and  food for the next two weeks.

 

good thing that thailand's tropical weather is hated by this virus.

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

4 hours ago, ukrules said:

I think a lot of the countries that care very little for the people will do nothing and wait for nature to take its course.

 

truth is, as some european doctor explained, is that there is very little countries can

do in this situation.

hospitals has limited capacity and once they are filled, the authorities will send 

people to quarantine in their homes, and that is it.

[tifino]

22 hours ago, lust said:

And the moral of the article is?

the Cruise Ship company is now left with a shiny hulk

 

- that nobody is ever going to Book a future cruise on

[tifino]

8 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

good thing that thailand's tropical weather is hated by this virus.

 

... and it will be that 'nasty' Global Warming, that will end up saving the day!

[Skeptic7]

Food for thought...The common Seasonal Flu kills approx half a million people globally EVERY year, yet rarely makes mention, so much as headlines. This "pandemic" will be long forgotten in a month or 2 and on to the next Big Scare. 

[Fore Man]

25 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Food for thought...The common Seasonal Flu kills approx half a million people globally EVERY year, yet rarely makes mention, so much as headlines. This "pandemic" will be long forgotten in a month or 2 and on to the next Big Scare. 

Skeptic7, I truly hope your cavalier, layman’s belief proves to be true.  As for me, I’m praying with all my might that COVID-19 will weaken with the onset of warm weather, and that a vaccine can be developed and distributed sooner than later, but these are not foregone conclusions at this point. Thousands upon thousands of people are expected succumb to this new strain and orders of magnitude more if it mutates.  I personally don’t think this a time to be making unsupported statements, but I respect your right to do so.

Edited March 2, 2020 by Fore Man
Typis

[PremiumLane]

22 hours ago, Tug said:

First I wish the guy off the cruise ship a speedy recovery it’s good to know it’s recoverable.but sir with all due respect I don’t think the Chinese government shut down their economy both domestic and foreign over nothing I still treat this virus very seriously indeed

it is not like government ever get things wrong or overreact, right? 

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, Fore Man said:

Skeptic7, I truly hope your cavalier, layman’s belief proves to be true.  As for me, I’m praying with all my might that COVID-19 will weaken with the onset of warm weather, and that a vaccine can be developed and distributed sooner than later, but these are not foregone conclusions at this point. Thousands upon thousands of people are expected succumb to this new strain and orders of magnitude more if it mutates.  I personally don’t think this a time to be making unsupported statements, but I respect your right to do so.

 

The combined total stands at approx 25,000. Much more worried about getting out on the roads.

 

Off maskless to Terminal 21 for lunch. It's glorious with all the empty seats and no lines! 

[Joeythai]

Totally overrated panic-spreading, there are far more dangerous threats to our planet.

[briansbiology]

On 3/1/2020 at 8:45 AM, keith101 said:

With a mortality rate of around 2% think yourself luckier than some .

is he lucky to survive it ? or unlucky to contract it?