3 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

No corruption at all, no lying, no obstruction of justice, no abuse of power, no extortion, no money laundering, no tax evasion, no adultery as President, and before that not my business, no sexual assault, no mishandling of classified info. Some were charges claimed in impeachment NOT GUILTY. You are simply making baseless accusations.

You could make it big as Stand-Up Comedian... ????

11 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

This really isn't sabotage at this point. Way too many candidates occupying the same lane and few with the capacity to pull African American voters. Now Warren and Bloomberg, that's a different story. Warren should be gone, but she's not. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she may drop after Tuesday, but I don't have that impression right now. Her naked ambition could <deleted> things up even more so than Bloomberg's. He's at least smart enough to back a candidate that translates to victory in November. If Warren tries to be the "unity" candidate, not only will she be exposed for the fraud that she is, but she will lose decisively.

 

 

 

Because this is an orchestrated attempt by the DNC to deny Sanders the nomination.

Waren will drop out after she does as much damage to the Sanders campaign as she possibly can. She knows that she has no chance to win but stays in in a cynical attempt to take away from Sanders as many votes as possible. She is not sincere about Medicare for all, If she was she would be supporting  the only candidate who has any chance to make it happen. Biden as a president will be a "placeholder"  maintaining the status quo for the plutocrats. 

The DNC want's a candidate that works for them instead of the American people. They know that when they told Bident to lay down and let Hillary become president, Like a good boy he laid down and played nice.  Sanders will not!!

Both are whoring for VP slot.

 

No shame.

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Because this is an orchestrated attempt by the DNC to deny Sanders the nomination.

Waren will drop out after she does as much damage to the Sanders campaign as she possibly can. She knows that she has no chance to win but stays in in a cynical attempt to take away from Sanders as many votes as possible. She is not sincere about Medicare for all, If she was she would be supporting  the only candidate who has any chance to make it happen. Biden as a president will be a "placeholder"  maintaining the status quo for the plutocrats. 

The DNC want's a candidate that works for them instead of the American people. They know that when they told Bident to lay down and let Hillary become president, Like a good boy he laid down and played nice.  Sanders will not!!

That's totally over the top. A significant majority of democrats want to dump 45 because he's an existential threat to American democracy and think that nominating Bernie the self labeled socialist is a gift to 45 for an easy path to a 2nd term. 

21 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Being a heterosexual white male my only voting option is Republican. Regardless of my millions.

Do you mean > Regardless of my million doubts about the morality of the present GoP?

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's totally over the top. A significant majority of democrats want to dump 45 because he's an existential threat to American democracy and think that nominating Bernie the self labeled socialist is a gift to 45 for an easy path to a 2nd term. 

If that was true Sanders would not be winning.

This is a cynical attempt by the DNC to remove friction from Biden and maintain friction for Sanders.Why do you think Warren is still running? 

I predicted  Klobuchar dropping out at  "Buttigieg to drop out " thread and I was spot on.  Do you think it is a coincidence that Klobuchar dropped out before Super tuesday ? She could not wait one more day and see what happened there?  

I make another Prediction. unless Bidens fortunes increase significantly now that Buttigieg, and Klobuchar dropped out, Warren remains in as a friction point to Sanders campaign.

I also make the prediction that if Biden wins the presidency, Buttigieg does not go back to South bend but remains in Washington,and that Klobuchar get's a cabinet position in Biden's administration.  

 

30 minutes ago, sirineou said:

If that was true Sanders would not be winning.

This is a cynical attempt by the DNC to remove friction from Biden and maintain friction for Sanders.Why do you think Warren is still running? 

I predicted  Klobuchar dropping out at  "Buttigieg to drop out " thread and I was spot on.  Do you think it is a coincidence that Klobuchar dropped out before Super tuesday ? She could not wait one more day and see what happened there?  

I make another Prediction. unless Bidens fortunes increase significantly now that Buttigieg, and Klobuchar dropped out, Warren remains in as a friction point to Sanders campaign.

I also make the prediction that if Biden wins the presidency, Buttigieg does not go back to South bend but remains in Washington,and that Klobuchar get's a cabinet position in Biden's administration.  

 

Of course the timing is not a coincidence. Nobody said that it was. You're seeing a dark conspiracy when in reality it's about the majority of democrats starting to unite behind the best  chance to beat 45. The only reason Bernie has won anything is that the more moderate opposition has been too crowded. 

I agree Buttigeig would probably get something because he can't win any major office in India but I doubt Amy would give up being a senator for anything short of VP or secretary of state. Neither is likely. 

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course it's not a coincidence. The only reason Bernie has won anything is that the more moderate opposition has been too crowded. 

I agree Buttigeig would probably get something because he can't win any major office in India but I doubt Amy would give up being a senator for anything short of VP or secretary of state. Neither is likely. 

I don't think that the only reason Biden was behind it is because of the crowded field in his orientation. but I agree that it has a part to play. I believe that people see the obvious. 

Biden is a compromised candidate, he is a team player, but IMO he is not playing for our team, he is playing for the DNC team. IMO he exhibited that, when he did not run after Obama . I am sure there was a deal between Obama and Hillary for their support after he got the nomination and he was part of it.  

I was going to say "I think" but I Know they are playing political games. and they are not playing for us. 

Sanders has being consistent, and is working for us, The things that he proposes to do are the things that need to be done under the new geoeconomic paradigme  (transitioning from industrial to information era). IMO Bident as a president, though infinitely better than trump, will simply be a "pace holder" for the establishment trying to fit old shoes to new feet. 

IMO trump will wipe the floor with Biden . There will be allegations, investigations suppenas etc. Like Hillary he will also be constantly on the defencive.

Personally I am tired of playing defective politics.  I am tired of being told" you don't want the other idiot elected, so vote for this other lesser idiot"  . 

Remember the other side is being told the same with the end result of us  ending up with a useful idiot nonetheless , only the only idiots are us.  

Anyway Tonight we will see if we fall for it. 

Yes. 

Stop Bernie 

Because he can't beat 45.

Because he's branded as a commie. 

Simple as that. 

 

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A post linking to a questionable source and the reply has been removed. 

24 minutes ago, sirineou said:

IMO trump will wipe the floor with Biden . There will be allegations, investigations suppenas etc. Like Hillary he will also be constantly on the defencive.

Well, we agree on something.

24 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Personally I am tired of playing defective politics.  I am tired of being told" you don't want the other idiot elected, so vote for this other lesser idiot"  . 

Remember the other side is being told the same with the end result of us  ending up with a useful idiot nonetheless , only the only idiots are us.  

When was the last time a politician was in it for the benefit of the people, in any country? last one in NZ was, IMO, David Lange decades ago. I'm sure the US had statesmen in the past, but the only one that came close that I know of, IMO, was Kennedy.

Seems to me that when there are only 2 significant political parties they become two sides of the same coin.

Sadly, I see no hope for change in my lifetime.

 

I predict that Trump will win another 4 years, and then it will be back to business as usual in the Washington bubble.

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, we agree on something.

When was the last time a politician was in it for the benefit of the people, in any country? last one in NZ was, IMO, David Lange decades ago. I'm sure the US had statesmen in the past, but the only one that came close that I know of, IMO, was Kennedy.

Seems to me that when there are only 2 significant political parties they become two sides of the same coin.

Sadly, I see no hope for change in my lifetime.

 

I predict that Trump will win another 4 years, and then it will be back to business as usual in the Washington bubble.

I’d have given that a laugh except for the delusion of your final sentence.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, we agree on something.

When was the last time a politician was in it for the benefit of the people, in any country? last one in NZ was, IMO, David Lange decades ago. I'm sure the US had statesmen in the past, but the only one that came close that I know of, IMO, was Kennedy.

Seems to me that when there are only 2 significant political parties they become two sides of the same coin.

Sadly, I see no hope for change in my lifetime.

 

I predict that Trump will win another 4 years, and then it will be back to business as usual in the Washington bubble.

I think Sanders is for the people. Which is why IMO the establishment is foaming at the mouth. 

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes. 

Stop Bernie 

Because he can't beat 45.

Because he's branded as a commie. 

Simple as that. 

 

Third line, you got it.

6 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I think Sanders is for the people. Which is why IMO the establishment is foaming at the mouth. 

It does not matter what he is for if he can't beat 45. 

 

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’d have given that a laugh except for the delusion of your final sentence.

If you are right, and Trump loses it will be back to business as usual in the Washington bubble even sooner. Next year or in 5 years the people lose, IMO.

Biden has been in public office for over 40 years, but now he says, if he's elected President, he will fix everything.  First off, I don't see anything that needs fixed, and second, if he's such a master politician, how come Obama isn't praising his accomplishments and knowledge of government?  In my view, he's another long term Washington pig at the trough.  Go Trump. 

6 minutes ago, khaowong1 said:

Biden has been in public office for over 40 years, but now he says, if he's elected President, he will fix everything.  First off, I don't see anything that needs fixed, and second, if he's such a master politician, how come Obama isn't praising his accomplishments and knowledge of government?  In my view, he's another long term Washington pig at the trough.  Go Trump. 

Nothing needs fixing? 

Seriously? 

Wow. 

17 minutes ago, khaowong1 said:

Biden has been in public office for over 40 years, but now he says, if he's elected President, he will fix everything.  First off, I don't see anything that needs fixed, and second, if he's such a master politician, how come Obama isn't praising his accomplishments and knowledge of government?  In my view, he's another long term Washington pig at the trough.  Go Trump. 

Here is just one of many Obama’s praises of Biden. You are a funny dude. 
 

 

Here is an idea. 

Warren as a compromise candidate in a conflicted convention. 

There are some good nuggets in the article about the unelectability of Sanders. 

Of course Bloomberg is also interested in being a conflicted convention nominee but Warren's positioning actually makes more sense for that. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/03/warren-can-treat-sanders-with-kid-glove-or-try-win-not-both/

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

National popular vote polls so far out. So useful. 

You really don't get it. 

This is about what most democrats feel. 

This is a democratic party primary. 

The majority of us think nominating a Socialist is political suicide. 

It's not only the DNC. 

It's most democrats! 

What national polls this far out can't possibly show are both the electoral aspect of this and more importantly the impact of nonstop 45 ads equating a Sanders America to Venezuela. 

Yes please.

At all costs do stop Bernie.

To stop 45.

 

Democrats vote in the democratic primary and obviously so far  they must like a "socialist" because so far they are voting for him. 

We will see in a few hours .

 as far as the Popular vote is concerned , I thought that's where the electability concern resided, and popular polls seem to indicate an electability similar to Bident. 

 As I have said repeatedly trump can do all the painting he wants , Sanders has a lot of paint to paint with also. 

 

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

Democrats vote in the democratic primary and obviously so far  they must like a "socialist" because so far they are voting for him. 

We will see in a few hours .

 as far as the Popular vote is concerned , I thought that's where the electability concern resided, and popular polls seem to indicate an electability similar to Bident. 

 As I have said repeatedly trump can do all the painting he wants , Sanders has a lot of paint to paint with also. 

 

Yeah sure. 

Now we've got an angry populist of the alt right. 

Just what we need an angry populist of the left. 

The majority want a return to some level of sanity. 

 

12 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

What with Biden - a seemingly senile veteran whose veneer of respectability appears very thin?

 

If Biden got elected, which I doubt, and the Republicans got control of the House, wonder if they'd investigate his and his families dealings in foreign countries whilst he was VP? Might even lead to another impeachment! 

 

Sad for Americans but fun to watch!

President Biden could simply use all the precedents set by Trump in denying information required for the investigation.

13 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

Even If Donald Trump had never been born I would still be of the mind that Joe Biden's mental state disqualifies him to be President. The obvious is obvious, and he should go home to be with family. This is pity and empathy I am trying to convey. His time is over.

 

The only Democrat I would trust not to completely destroy the country would be Michael Bloomberg. On a head to head he also would be demolished by Trump.

Funny, I was of the opinion that Trump's mental state disqualified him to be President in 2016, and every day since.

6 hours ago, sirineou said:

Because this is an orchestrated attempt by the DNC to deny Sanders the nomination.

Waren will drop out after she does as much damage to the Sanders campaign as she possibly can. She knows that she has no chance to win but stays in in a cynical attempt to take away from Sanders as many votes as possible. She is not sincere about Medicare for all, If she was she would be supporting  the only candidate who has any chance to make it happen. Biden as a president will be a "placeholder"  maintaining the status quo for the plutocrats. 

The DNC want's a candidate that works for them instead of the American people. They know that when they told Bident to lay down and let Hillary become president, Like a good boy he laid down and played nice.  Sanders will not!!

The "DNC is out to get Bernie" conspiracy theory again.

 

First, stop pretending the DNC is a public charity obligated to support all candidates who claims to be a Democrat equally.  The DNC is a political organization that works to elect candidates that support the DNC's political policies, with extra support for Democrat candidates who can help get other Democrats elected.

 

Bernie falls short on both counts.  He is a political opportunist who changes party whenever it is convenient (like Trump and Bloomberg).  He is also a career politician with a track record of getting very little done.

 

Regarding Warren, I assume she is still in this because she thinks she still has a shot.  Just as I assumed Klobuchar and Buttigieg stayed in for as long as they thought they had a thought.  Try relying on obvious explanations instead of conspiracy theories.

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

I don't think that the only reason Biden was behind it is because of the crowded field in his orientation. but I agree that it has a part to play. I believe that people see the obvious. 

Biden is a compromised candidate, he is a team player, but IMO he is not playing for our team, he is playing for the DNC team. IMO he exhibited that, when he did not run after Obama . I am sure there was a deal between Obama and Hillary for their support after he got the nomination and he was part of it.  

I was going to say "I think" but I Know they are playing political games. and they are not playing for us. 

Sanders has being consistent, and is working for us, The things that he proposes to do are the things that need to be done under the new geoeconomic paradigme  (transitioning from industrial to information era). IMO Bident as a president, though infinitely better than trump, will simply be a "pace holder" for the establishment trying to fit old shoes to new feet. 

IMO trump will wipe the floor with Biden . There will be allegations, investigations suppenas etc. Like Hillary he will also be constantly on the defencive.

Personally I am tired of playing defective politics.  I am tired of being told" you don't want the other idiot elected, so vote for this other lesser idiot"  . 

Remember the other side is being told the same with the end result of us  ending up with a useful idiot nonetheless , only the only idiots are us.  

Anyway Tonight we will see if we fall for it. 

"Personally I am tired of playing defective politics.  I am tired of being told" you don't want the other idiot elected, so vote for this other lesser idiot"  . "

 

Yes, and I'm tired of being told to get a colonoscopy or risk colon cancer.  But I get the colonoscopy anyway.

 

Not getting exactly what you want is part of life.  Choosing the lesser of two evils is part of life.  Otherwise you will get the greater of the two evils.

 

"Bernie of nobody" voters got Trump elected in 2016, and will get him re-elected in 2020.

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

Democrats vote in the democratic primary and obviously so far  they must like a "socialist" because so far they are voting for him. 

We will see in a few hours .

 as far as the Popular vote is concerned , I thought that's where the electability concern resided, and popular polls seem to indicate an electability similar to Bident. 

 As I have said repeatedly trump can do all the painting he wants , Sanders has a lot of paint to paint with also. 

 

Some Democrats vote in the Democratic primaries.  Republicans and independents don't, and a lot of undecided Democrats don't.  They vote in the national elections, and are more likely to vote for a centrist Democrat than a far left Democrat.

Klo and pete are owned by the dnc. DNC doesn't want B bros rep sanders.

 The b bros stay home again if he looses and gets a smidgen of spin that he was shafted again, in the primary!

assuring the lefts boogieman  and Americans another 4 years of change 

Biden like Clinton and Kerry been in office since forever with nothing to show for it. They are entirely self serving. It's them and the machine. Biden will lose because he's old, hollow and deceitful. Sander's might not win, doubtful on that mark but he's relatively genuine. The rest of the pack are just asvself serving as Biden - or Trump. Buttigeg is false candidate, most disingenuous. He should be running for governor. Especially as he's so young. He could run for President in eight years or more. The only one with any passion and vision in Dem party is grandpa Sander's. Trump will win again and half America will lose their minds again and blame the other half of the country for exercising their democratic rights and self interest. Dems are collective of toxic special interest that don't even have appeal amongst themselves. It's nothing more than a coilition of self indulgent and entitled people. Democratic party is California and NE US.  Then they complain because Trump lost popular vote by a few 100k

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Klo and pete are owned by the dnc. DNC doesn't want B bros rep sanders.

 The b bros stay home again if he looses and gets a smidgen of spin that he was shafted again, in the primary!

assuring the lefts boogieman  and Americans another 4 years of change 

Translation:  riclag is a Trump supporter who wants Bernie to be the Democratic candidate.