Trump suspends all travel from Europe to the United States to fight coronavirus

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Dude Im in Cambodia with Third World Medical facilities, no widespread testing and last night I was out in the fleshpots amusing myself with nubile backpackers. I bet I catch the clap before I get the virus.

 

But I wash my hands. I just Lysoled all of my counters and the elevator and light switches. I carry hand sanitzer and keep social distance. Ill take my chances so as not to lose a precious day of life due to media/political driven panic. I didnt panic for the far more deadly (and more poorly handled) H1N epidemic, I didnt panic during last hurricane season, I dont run around like a headless chicken when the earth shakes (my biggest I think was 7, how about yours), blizzards dont bother me, Im not going to let anyhting spoil my day. 

 

And if I start sniffling, Ill stay home and eat cup noodles. Until then, wash those hands.

So your in a country that makes no effort to stop the virus, and the life expectancy is 64, so people don't live long enough to worry about the virus.  In the first world people and governments are trying to stop it.

 

BTW, I was in Cambodia 20 years ago and 10 years ago.  They paved some roads but managed to become more corrupt and trashed out in the years between.  I haven't gone back; I understand it is now full of Chinese when it isn't full of Russians.  I'm glad I was there when it was full of Cambodians.

 

My biggest earthquake was Northridge.  It's hardly relevant.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

No dude, you may say you prefer the first, but getting rid of evil Trump is a priority to you and others who  have been filling this Board with hate for the past 3 years. Keep formenting the panic, hope for some glitches somewhere and count the bodies till the election.

 

At least the Democratic candidates have had the decency not to fundraise off of this "crisis". Oh wait.......

You mistake a patriotic concern for the future of the US with hatred for Trump.  It's an easy mistake to make, the two have a lot in comon.  However I have a lot of relatives in their 80's, I've been to two family funerals in the last six months, and I would like to be done with funerals for a long time.  I genuinely want this pandemic to die quickly and with minimum damage.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

President Trump is so bad...he addressed the nation today and the Dow went up 2,000 points.

Such a terrible president ????

Interesting.   The Dow is down over 6000 points this month, but it was down 8000 yesterday.

 

Does that mean Trump is only 3/4's bad?

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

President Trump is so bad...he addressed the nation today and the Dow went up 2,000 points.

Such a terrible president ????

And I know a guy who claims he has a sure cure for a headache: just stop banging your head against the wall.

If Trump had been reasonably proactive, instead of downplaying the problem for so long, we wouldn't have had to go through this degree of financial turmoil in the first place.

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And I know a guy who claims he has a sure cure for a headache: just stop banging your head against the wall.

If Trump had been reasonably proactive, instead of downplaying the problem for so long, we wouldn't have had to go through this degree of financial turmoil in the first place.

Exactly but you'll never get 45 cult of personality followers to admit that. However, also things have been very bubbly for a long time. A major correction, a recession (we're already in one in the U.S.), and indeed a shift to a bear market were going to eventually happen anyway. Politically of course 45 hoped that reality check could wait until after his hoped for by him reelection. 

 

Back to my short lived financial industry days --

 

Bulls make money

Bears make money

Pigs get slaughtered

Edited March 14, 2020 by Jingthing

[spidermike007]

When questioned by a reporter about why the administration closed the pandemic office of the CDC, and withdrew $30,000,000 in funding for it, in June of 2018, despite warnings from epidemiologists that a pandemic like this one could be right around the corner, he accused the reporter of asking a "nasty question", and said he takes no responsibility for that. He said something rather vague about the administration inheriting some issues, and then went on to say he had no personal knowledge of that happening, and would have to ask his staff why they did that. Taking responsibility for tragic errors is what real men do. Boys and juveniles deflect, pass blame, and point fingers.

 

I have been saying for three years now, that Trump is one of the most dangerous men in the world. He is certainly proving that theory lately. 

 

In fact, all of Trump’s budget proposals have called for cuts to CDC funding, but Congress has intervened each time by passing spending bills with year-over-year increases for the CDC that Trump then signed into law. In 2018, Trump administration eliminated the position of senior director for global health security and biodefense as part of a broader downsizing of the NSC spearheaded by then-National Security Adviser John Bolton. Earlier this month, 27 Democratic senators sent a letter to current National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien urging him to reinstate the position and asking him to clarify how the White House plans to handle global health security threats.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cut-cdcs-budget-democrats-claim-analysis/story?id=69233170

 

The cuts started in 2018, as the White House focused on eliminating fundingto Obama-era disease security programs. In March of that year, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, whose job it was to lead the U.S. response in the event of a pandemic, abruptly left the administration and his global health security team was disbanded. That same year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was forced to slash its efforts to prevent global disease outbreak by 80% as its funding for the program began to run out. The agency, at the time, opted to focus on 10 priority countries and scale back in others, including China. Also cut was the Complex Crises Fund, a $30 million emergency response pool that was at the secretary of state’s disposal to deploy disease experts and others in the event of a crisis. (The fund was created by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.)

 

https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/

 

It is impossible that Trump was not involved in these decisions. Just another lie. He just assumes we are not paying attention, and that required fealty will prevent fact checking. 

[digibum]

5 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

You dont need a test kit to beat this thing. That was my point. Instead of gleefully jumping on any delay in anything in the hope it fullfills their dreams of a Trump free world, folks just ignore that it is all about personal responsibility.

 

Hmmm . . . the opinion of every respected virologist OR some random guy on the internet. 

 

Tough call here folks. 

[Crazy Alex]

10 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

Hmmm . . . the opinion of every respected virologist OR some random guy on the internet. 

 

Tough call here folks. 

So virologists don't think proper sanitation is key? I'd love to hear about some of these virologists you speak of.

[digibum]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

awww please be man enough to point out to our readers why

the Dow went up....because the markets have confidence in the measures 

he's taking to combat the virus.

 

Uhm, because Trump finally did the right thing and quit trying to deflect and ignore something that might kill tens of thousands of people and wreak havoc on the US and world economy? 

 

The market's negative reaction was the entire world collectively saying that they didn't think he was doing enough.

 

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

If you are not willing to be tested to find out if you are spreading the virus its time you self isolated.

So we need 327,000,000 test kits in the US. I disagree.

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, digibum said:

 

Uhm, because Trump finally did the right thing and quit trying to deflect and ignore something that might kill tens of thousands of people and wreak havoc on the US and world economy? 

 

The market's negative reaction was the entire world collectively saying that they didn't think he was doing enough.

 

Are you referring to the flight restrictions Trump implemented in January?

[heybruce]

11 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Thank you for your part in showing two different mentalities. Yours: personal responsibility, common sense, being aware and taking action. The other: rely on government for everything, blame political opponents at every possible juncture to achieve a desired political result. Sadly, the latter mentality does not realize how hilariously transparent they are.

Oh, it's all about "personal responsibility" is it?

 

Consider a scenario that plays out routinely in the real world.  You are a minimum wage worker in food service.  You have no health insurance and no paid sick leave.  You've been feeling under the weather lately, but you have bills to pay and mouths to feed.  Covid-19 testing is unavailable and you can't afford to visit a doctor's office.

 

What is the responsible thing to do:  Play it safe, stay home, and let bills go unpaid and children go unfed?  Or tough it out an hope for the best?

 

This is a situation where help from the government would be greatly appreciated.  It also might help stem the pandemic.

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Oh, it's all about "personal responsibility" is it?

 

Consider a scenario that plays out routinely in the real world.  You are a minimum wage worker in food service.  You have no health insurance and no paid sick leave.  You've been feeling under the weather lately, but you have bills to pay and mouths to feed.  Covid-19 testing is unavailable and you can't afford to visit a doctor's office.

 

What is the responsible thing to do:  Play it safe, stay home, and let bills go unpaid and children go unfed?  Or tough it out an hope for the best?

 

This is a situation where help from the government would be greatly appreciated.  It also might help stem the pandemic.

No, I refuse to accept your dishonest characterization. I never said "it's all about personal responsibility". But that is certainly the first place to look. Upon you correcting your dishonest characterization, we can continue.

 

Now, as for your fictional anecdote: The rich get richer because they continue to do that which makes them rich. The poor get poorer because they continue to do that which makes them poor. Once that poor person gets some ethics, handles their money better, gets educated and moves up in the world, they too can become a decent member of society who doesn't spread disease then blame others for them doing so. What a pity you have chosen to side with such ethical lapses, though certainly not surprising at all.

 

Finally, why on Earth does a person with such a lousy job reproduce?????? Talk about irresponsibility and lack of ethics!

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

   23 minutes ago,  spidermike007 said: 

It seems these days, the only ones playing down this epidemic, and the need for testing are followers, supporters, and devotees of the fake orange master.

 

The total numbers can be dramatically reduced, if an infection is detected, and the person then engages in self isolation. If you do not know you are infected, the disease keeps getting spread and the numbers go up exponentially. This is common sense stuff.

 

I do agree the media is creating a frenzy. But, this epidemic is NOT HYPE. It is very real. So, let me understand this. Your fake master can hurl insults at whoever he wants, and it does not bother you one iota. He can continue with his daily tirades, and continue inventing his schoolyard names for all of his adversaries. No problem with you. But, when someone who does not care for him or his policies calls him a name, we are infantile, but he is not? Fascinating bit of reasoning there. I do not consider his followers to be evil. But, I would say many fall into the category of devotees. 

 

As the number of cases rise to over 2,300 with over 50 deaths, the US has just been elevated to #7, in terms of the lIst of total deaths. #8 in terms of the list of total cases. So much of this could  have been avoided had pandemic office of the CDC not been dismantled by Bolton and Trump and folded into the office of WMD. Bizarre. Who would do that? Why would they do that? To call it irresponsible and foolhardy would be quite an understatement. 

 

The voters will decide in November. And it is my prediction they will decide enough of the nonsense, incompetence and thin skinned churlishness. Let's go Joe/Amy. 

Edited March 14, 2020 by spidermike007

[sanemax]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

As the number of cases rise to over 2,300 with over 50 deaths, the US has just been elevated to #7, in terms of the lIst of total deaths. #8 in terms of the list of total cases. So much of this could  have been avoided had pandemic office of the CDC not been dismantled by Bolton and Trump and folded into the office of WMD. Bizarre. Who would do that? Why would they do that? To call it irresponsible and foolhardy would be quite an understatement. 

Trump only closed down its Whitehouse offices 

The USA CDC did not get dismantled, its still active 

https://www.cdc.gov/

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

No, I refuse to accept your dishonest characterization. I never said "it's all about personal responsibility". But that is certainly the first place to look. Upon you correcting your dishonest characterization, we can continue.

 

Now, as for your fictional anecdote: The rich get richer because they continue to do that which makes them rich. The poor get poorer because they continue to do that which makes them poor. Once that poor person gets some ethics, handles their money better, gets educated and moves up in the world, they too can become a decent member of society who doesn't spread disease then blame others for them doing so. What a pity you have chosen to side with such ethical lapses, though certainly not surprising at all.

 

Finally, why on Earth does a person with such a lousy job reproduce?????? Talk about irresponsibility and lack of ethics!

You posted " Thank you for your part in showing two different mentalities. Yours: personal responsibility, common sense, being aware and taking action. "  Should I have posted "So it's all about personal responsibility, common sense, being aware and taking action"?  Would that have altered the meaning of the rest of my post?

 

My anecdote was not fictional.  People with no benefits avoid seeing doctors if at all possible.  People without paid sick leave work when they are sick.  I've been there.  Have you?

 

As to the rest of your rant against poor people, I won't answer.  I'll just imagine a world in which you have to do your own stoop labor to grow food, shovel manure in pig pens/chicken coops/feed lots, and clean toilets/outhouses.  Most of us live comfortable lives because poor people do the work we won't. 

[JHolmesJr]

26 minutes ago, digibum said:

The voters will decide in November. 

 

And they will decide to continue with Trump who has been a tough leader

who's soldiered on despite all the vile attacks of the media and the Left.

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Trump only closed down its Whitehouse offices 

The USA CDC did not get dismantled, its still active 

https://www.cdc.gov/

Let's look at how well that worked out:

 

" In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is—not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.   https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump-united-states-public-health-emergency-response/

 

I posted this before, but disagreeable facts don't always register on some people.

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You posted " Thank you for your part in showing two different mentalities. Yours: personal responsibility, common sense, being aware and taking action. "  Should I have posted "So it's all about personal responsibility, common sense, being aware and taking action"?  Would that have altered the meaning of the rest of my post?

 

My anecdote was not fictional.  People with no benefits avoid seeing doctors if at all possible.  People without paid sick leave work when they are sick.  I've been there.  Have you?

 

As to the rest of your rant against poor people, I won't answer.  I'll just imagine a world in which you have to do your own stoop labor to grow food, shovel manure in pig pens/chicken coops/feed lots, and clean toilets/outhouses.  Most of us live comfortable lives because poor people do the work we won't. 

Ah yes, another leftist who cares so much about the poor, he's willing to see to it some other guy pays whatever it takes to make the poor person's life better. Mark me down as unimpressed. And I'll mark you down as unable to rebut the moral aspects of knowingly infecting others out of selfishness and irresponsibility. But hey, it's those damn companies that don't offer sick leave!

[Opl]

5 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Ah yes, another leftist who cares so much about the poor, he's willing to see to it some other guy pays whatever it takes to make the poor person's life better. Mark me down as unimpressed. And I'll mark you down as unable to rebut the moral aspects of knowingly infecting others out of selfishness and irresponsibility. But hey, it's those damn companies that don't offer sick leave!

so you'll more probably be infected by a poor.. who does'nt deserve your solidarity

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

No, your characterization is once again dishonest. I pointed out your desire to help the poor, in addition to their lack of morals, ethics and sense of responsibility. Unlike you, I am happy to discuss any aspect of their failings instead of blaming others for their actions.

My characterization is correct and specific.  Which is why you won't address the specifics.  Just as you haven't addressed my specifically calling BS on your comparing Obama's response to the mild swine flu pandemic to Trump's flailing with Covid-19.

[Monomial]

26 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Oh, it's all about "personal responsibility" is it?

 

Consider a scenario that plays out routinely in the real world.  You are a minimum wage worker in food service.  You have no health insurance and no paid sick leave.  You've been feeling under the weather lately, but you have bills to pay and mouths to feed.  Covid-19 testing is unavailable and you can't afford to visit a doctor's office.

 

What is the responsible thing to do:  Play it safe, stay home, and let bills go unpaid and children go unfed?  Or tough it out an hope for the best?

 

This is a situation where help from the government would be greatly appreciated.  It also might help stem the pandemic.

 

You do realize that logic is unhelpful to the entitled who are quite happy with "Let Them Eat Cake!" attitude that has been employed to date? Even Warren Buffet is smart enough to realize that pitch forks are in his future if he doesn't take a different approach. It is a shame that others who claim to follow the Oracle of Omaha just can't seem to accept the inescapable future if they don't change.

 

The black death in the 1300's is a perfect historical example of what we are seeing with this virus. Back then, the rich all fled to their countryside estates in order to escape the plague that was affecting the masses. This actually did help to a small degree, but ultimately the problem was the staff still needed to interact with the outside world, and the rich were unable to do anything for themselves. So they still needed the poor, and many wound up dying despite all of their resources. Resources (i.e. capital) alone mean nothing unless you also have the skills to use those resources. Those who have no skill other than making money usually don't do well in a crisis.

 

The wealthy and entitled should really take a look at the policies on offer today and understand just how interconnected they are. The rich are only rich because they can stand on the backs of the poor. Take away the poor, and the rich fall down and become dead.  The wealthy need to understand they have a responsibility to the poor if they want to continue living their privileged lives.  Read up on the term "Noblesse Oblige" to understand how previous generations knew what we have forgotten.

 

So honestly, it is all about "personal responsibility". The personal responsibility of the wealthy to help themselves by helping the poor.

 

 

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You are accusing of ignoring when you posted that before .

The reality is that I didnt see when you previously posted it .

Any anyway , I was reply to a post that stated Trump dismantled the entire CDC , which he didnt do 

 

No, he just crippled it.  No biggie, right?  Oh wait, it was a big deal, and a tragic mistake.

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No, he just crippled it.  No biggie, right?  Oh wait, it was a big deal, and a tragic mistake.

Do you think that they would have been able to stop the virus from entering USA ?

What could/would they have done to prevent corona from entering the USA ?

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Do you think that they would have been able to stop the virus from entering USA ?

What could/would they have done to prevent corona from entering the USA ?

I think, assuming they worked for an administration that listened to and respected the advice of experts, they could have made more testing kits available sooner and slowed down the spread of the virus.

[metisdead]

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[bristolboy]

4 hours ago, sanemax said:

Do you think that they would have been able to stop the virus from entering USA ?

What could/would they have done to prevent corona from entering the USA ?

 

That's right, set up an unreasonable standard, as though it were the only one. The goal should be mitigation. Like this:

Taiwan has millions of visitors from China and only 45 coronavirus cases. Here’s how.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/3/10/21171722/taiwan-coronavirus-china-social-distancing-quarantine

[Jingthing]

"Travel bans just don't work!"

 

They aren't about health. They are about xenophobic politics, finding scapegoats, and deflecting blame from bad decisions of local leaders (45!).

 

Thailand is making the same sorts of mistakes. Very little testing. Too slow on measures that DO work. Playing the xenophobic travel ban political blame game.

 

Who had severe travel bans? ITALY.

 

Italy was the only country in Europe that did an early ban on flights from China. Now Italy has the most severe virus problem in Europe. 

 

Again they do not work! 

 

 

Edited March 14, 2020 by Jingthing

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

"Travel bans just don't work!"

 

They aren't about health. They are about xenophobic politics, finding scapegoats, and deflecting blame from bad decisions of local leaders (45!).

 

Thailand is making the same sorts of mistakes. Very little testing. Too slow on measures that DO work. Playing the xenophobic travel ban political blame game.

 

Who had severe travel bans? ITALY.

Again they do not work! 

 

 

Yes, because restricting people from traveling from an area where an infectious disease is prevalent from going to areas where said disease is not prevalent is foolish. Said no one. Who actually thinks the issue through without a lens of extreme partisanship. EVER.

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, because restricting people from traveling from an area where an infectious disease is prevalent from going to areas where said disease is not prevalent is foolish. Said no one. Who actually thinks the issue through without a lens of extreme partisanship. EVER.

The way I heard the excellent video of a genuine expert being interviewed I took it like this. Travel bans don't work when the virus has already spread significantly to most places in the world. Containment is no longer a possibility, viruses don't recognise borders. Earlier on when the Japanese quarantined the cruise ship one could see the logic.

 

Personally I would be more reassured if the Corona virus had given an announcement telling us how we were going to save ourselves from Trump!