Germany tries to halt U.S. interest in firm working on coronavirus vaccine

[jany123]

8 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Actions like this will surely tighten the ties between our western countries which would be badly needed in times of upcoming China and the aggressive islamistic threats to our freedom and lifestyle.

Actions like undermining Germany’s efforts to produce a drug for all, in favor of a drug for profit first and Americans second.... seems more like yet another argument between the divisive states and the EU, to me, and therefore far from uniting and strengthening of bonds

 

what others see is that trump gutted the US response mechanism, neutering the CDC in 2018, and has screwed up the US response as he was trying to downplay the situation for his own narcissistic gain, and is now trying to undercut the efforts of others to rescue its own political career. Disgusting... and probably justifying those that cry the regain of “death to America” 

[puipuitom]

All research and developments for medical devices and medicines in the EU should be completely in the hands of the EU Uni's and (academic) hospitals. Most of the research there we as tax payers fund anyway, and for the rest inclusive swindle-margins to Big Farma. Therefe,re.. all this in the hands of the pubklic sector, and a kind of Medic Czar above it, in the Eur European Medicines Agency. When other nations want to join: perfect.

[xylophone]

On display this week was some of that same disregard for scientific evidence from trump with respect to the coronavirus, which prompted an unusually blunt editorial in Science magazine.

 

It called out President Donald Trump for demanding a coronavirus vaccine at a time when his administration had gutted funding for scientific research and repeatedly questioned the fundamentals of science, when they stated that, "You can't insult science when you don't like it and then suddenly insist on something that science can't give on demand."

 

And not forgetting that trump has railed against vaccinations in the past, stating that they cause autism. This despite the fact that medical science has disproved that.

[AgMech Cowboy]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Welt am Sonntag quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists' work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, "but only for the United States."

Absolutely laughable. "an unidentified German government source" with TDS more likely. Or just another writer with a over active imagination.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Absolutely laughable. "an unidentified German government source" with TDS more likely. Or just another writer with a over active imagination.

The German government has explicitly and openly confirmed it.

[Mavideol]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Welt am Sonntag quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists' work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, "but only for the United States."

always and forever Trump first....555. One has to wonder what does he has inside the head, surely not a brain. HE's the same person wanting to buy Greenland and was upset with Denmark for not agreeing to sell

[Nigel Garvie]

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

The price for it would be set so high , that hardly anybody could afford it .

I know what I am talking about , a few yrs ago I needed a newly developed med ( Gilead ) , but the price for a treatment was set at 186000 $ ! I had to wait a few years until I could buy it from India for 1500 $ .

Been there, done that, twice.  There are a few hoops to go through, and the Indian Doctors will usually demand a battery of tests to justify the prescription, but it is worth it. Their system is a combination of basic care for the poor, and high quality care for those who can afford it, rather like Thailand. You can sense how much their doctors despise the profiteers of big Pharma. 

[JustAnotherHun]

1 hour ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Absolutely laughable. "an unidentified German government source" with TDS more likely. Or just another writer with a over active imagination.

You might like to read a bit closer before babbling nonsense. The fact is approved by the German interior minister, the foreign minister and other officials.

[Crazy Alex]

Now this is interesting. It was mere hours ago leftists were lambasting Trump for trying to get the US sole ownership of a vaccine. Now the Germans are trying to prevent the US from even being involved at all. Why am I not seeing these people so concerned about cornering and manipulating the market lambasting the Germans for trying to shut out America?

 

Yeah, like we don't all know the answer to that. The reality? Everyone is going to act in their own best interests. The only difference is, it's been decades since Americans have had a president who doesn't bend over and surrender to every foreign interest that comes along. Who cares if Trump tries? Who cares if Germany tries? That's what countries should do: look out for their citizens first and foremost.

[opalred]

how low can the barking carnival  clown go

[justin case]

who want to be a guinea pig of big pharma 

 

the whole thing is to strengthen your immune

 

not more chemicals injected into your body , certainly not without clinical trials

[Opl]

14 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Now this is interesting. It was mere hours ago leftists were lambasting Trump for trying to get the US sole ownership of a vaccine. Now the Germans are trying to prevent the US from even being involved at all. Why am I not seeing these people so concerned about cornering and manipulating the market lambasting the Germans for trying to shut out America?

 

Yeah, like we don't all know the answer to that. The reality? Everyone is going to act in their own best interests. The only difference is, it's been decades since Americans have had a president who doesn't bend over and surrender to every foreign interest that comes along. Who cares if Trump tries? Who cares if Germany tries? That's what countries should do: look out for their citizens first and foremost.

So Trump would have 1Bn USD - freshly printed - to lure CureVac, make sure only the US can benefit of it and de facto secure his re-election. Who cares?

Too bad , the " chinese virus" did not stay within China's borders, the ban was'nt the panacea he tought it would be.   

Edited March 16, 2020 by Opl

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

always and forever Trump first....555. One has to wonder what does he has inside the head, surely not a brain. HE's the same person wanting to buy Greenland and was upset with Denmark for not agreeing to sell

I have to admit that I must have been naive. Again and again I thought, surely Trump cannot sink any further into the cesspit of human unpleasantness, it's just not possible,............surely.........surely. Then he goes and does it again, finally I am no longer surprised, it took far too long 

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

So Trump would have 1Bn USD freshly printed to lure CureVac, make sure only the US can benefit of it and de facto secure his re-election. Who cares?

Too bad , the " chinese virus" did not stay within China's borders, the ban was'nt the panacea he tought it would be.   

Nah... I think he was more likely looking at it from a business perspective and owning the rights to it. But opinions vary. That said, surely there is a happy medium between the US owning it and Germany trying to prevent the US from being involved at all, yes?

[sirineou]

on related news that might bring some hope.

Government official: Coronavirus vaccine trial starts Monday

https://apnews.com/8089a3d0ec8f9fde971bddd7b3aa2ba1

[rosst]

Ah yes, well the Aussies are at it as well and my money is on them to get the right result for the world, not just for the Aussies. 

[bristolboy]

37 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Now this is interesting. It was mere hours ago leftists were lambasting Trump for trying to get the US sole ownership of a vaccine. Now the Germans are trying to prevent the US from even being involved at all. Why am I not seeing these people so concerned about cornering and manipulating the market lambasting the Germans for trying to shut out America?

 

Yeah, like we don't all know the answer to that. The reality? Everyone is going to act in their own best interests. The only difference is, it's been decades since Americans have had a president who doesn't bend over and surrender to every foreign interest that comes along. Who cares if Trump tries? Who cares if Germany tries? That's what countries should do: look out for their citizens first and foremost.

What nonsense. They just don't want Trump to use US money to buy it out. What would buying the company accomplish in the way of furthering their research? Except disrupt it. They've made it quite clear that they plan to share this with the world.

And no, in the case of a pandemic it's ridiculous to say countries should try to look out for their interests first. When it comes to fighting epidemics, it's not a zero sum game. Cooperation and coordination of efforts is crucial. 

[Dap]

11 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

At a time when the whole world faces a crises, rather than working in partnership with all governments Trump tries to corner the market and get exclusive access to a potential life saving drug.

He is an absolute clown.

In this case, I don't think "clown" is appropriate or sufficient, but that said, the word/s I have in mind would surely be ... deleted 

Edited March 16, 2020 by Dap

[Nigel Garvie]

9 minutes ago, justin case said:

who want to be a guinea pig of big pharma 

 

the whole thing is to strengthen your immune

 

not more chemicals injected into your body , certainly not without clinical trials

Please, try to get to grips with the simplest most basic facts of Chemistry. These lovely pavlovian response words like "Chemicals" belong in the fevered imagination of the conspiracy theorist only.

 

The Universe is made up of "Chemicals" which it appears that you think are sinister. You and every living thing on the planet is made up of Chemicals, does that make them all sinister?  Chemicals in living things have been constantly changing and mutating since the first strand of self replicating RNA. Scientists develop new chemicals all the time. Long ago they discovered fermentation which allowed them to pour into their bodies beer and wine, which you may be fond of.

 

Unfortunately Covid 19 will kill a lot of people before it strengthens their immune system. Those who survive should then be Immune to further infection from Covid 19 only, you can hardly say that having antibodies to one more source of infection among many thousands, is significantly strengthening their immune system overall.

 

I expect all older TV members would be very happy to have a vaccine available, as they are the ones at greatest risk.

[shy coconut]

10 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Churchill:

Help! here come the Germans again.

I think the Russians concerned the Americans more than looking out for the 

Brits, not to mention scooping up all of the rocket and atomic guys before Jo got

hold of them!

[Nigel Garvie]

35 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Nah... I think he was more likely looking at it from a business perspective and owning the rights to it. But opinions vary. That said, surely there is a happy medium between the US owning it and Germany trying to prevent the US from being involved at all, yes?

What on earth gives any American Pharma company, or anybody else, any right to ownership of something that they haven't done the original research on. Maybe the Company (It is a private company not "The Germans" or the German government, lets dump that nationalistic sheet for a start)  would rather sell shares to a philanthropist in Mongolia, it's up to them.

 

Trump - needless to say - cannot bear the idea of not being able to profit from other's misfortune. 

[jany123]

45 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Obama's response system resulted in 12,000 Americans dead from swine flu. Hardly seems like a loss at all.

Oh deary me... has trump been giving you your opinion again?

 

poor form is poor form ... and 12000 died over a years span, in which it took six months to find a cure... claiming trumps response to be somehow better than that response, when the deal is far from done, is presumptuous... and as dangerous as cutting CDC funding because of a belief that it’s wasted money.

 

 

[rabas]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

What nonsense. They just don't want Trump to use US money to buy it out. What would buying the company accomplish in the way of furthering their research? Except disrupt it. They've made it quite clear that they plan to share this with the world.

And no, in the case of a pandemic it's ridiculous to say countries should try to look out for their interests first. When it comes to fighting epidemics, it's not a zero sum game. Cooperation and coordination of efforts is crucial. 

"What would buying the company accomplish in the way of furthering their research?"

 

Investment, it always works that way, that's how companies get things accomplished, been this way for 100s of years. The rest is your orange coloured glasses.

[Baerboxer]

On 3/16/2020 at 9:37 AM, paddypower said:

Aggressive nationalism, like MAGA and Brexit are threats to your rosy picture of the Western world.

 

Ask Italy their experience when appealing for help from their EU member state brothers!

 

They got <deleted>'all. Chine helped.

 

So all these who think the West are the first world, civilized, most educated, most caring should think again. Nothing like a crisis to bring out the true characters and show the cracks.

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

What on earth gives any American Pharma company, or anybody else, any right to ownership of something that they haven't done the original research on. Maybe the Company (It is a private company not "The Germans" or the German government, lets dump that nationalistic sheet for a start)  would rather sell shares to a philanthropist in Mongolia, it's up to them.

 

Trump - needless to say - cannot bear the idea of not being able to profit from other's misfortune. 

It's called BUSINESS. Happens all the time. All it takes is the right price. And what's wrong with being nationalist? But now that you mention it, these benevolent Germans will be foregoing all profit on the vaccine, correct? You seem to be against profits, so surely you will hold a hard line on this one.

[JustAnotherHun]

18 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Ask Italy their experience when appealing for help from their EU member state brothers!

 

They got <deleted>'all.

In which universe are you living?

Germany sends 1 million masks and the EU is preparing a huge financial aid to the secure italien banks and economy which is much more important than send some items for public relation reasons.

Do a fact check next before you critizize what you don't understand

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Profit from other's misfortunes? Are you familiar with world history, say Germany and and WWII, or even WWI? Why, WW1 inspired the Spanish flu.

Our family lost members in both world wars, yes I am well aware of world history.

"Why, WW1 inspired the Spanish flu",  Read this again and ask yourself how is it possible for anyone to say anything so daft. Wars do not "Inspire" flu epidemics. 

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, jany123 said:

America: 

are you crazy, them Germans have guns. Your on your own till it’s a bit safer... you remember, like last time.

Your selective reading of history is childish.

 

1 hour ago, jany123 said:

C’mon... trump has clearly demonstrated that he is capable of weaponizing  aid. To hope he would not, is reasonable... to believe he would not, is naive, at best

America is the most generous country in the world. We dont use food or medicine as weapons unless there is shooting. Any suggestion to the ontrary is not borne out by any facts

 

It doesnt mattter anyway, a Massachusets (?) made vaccine is scheduled to start human testing in Seattle....

Edited March 16, 2020 by Nyezhov

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

It's called BUSINESS. Happens all the time. All it takes is the right price. And what's wrong with being nationalist? But now that you mention it, these benevolent Germans will be foregoing all profit on the vaccine, correct? You seem to be against profits, so surely you will hold a hard line on this one.

Oh dear, you just don't get it. It is indeed called business, and the PRIVATE firm which is based in Germany,  has shareholders all over the place, some of them no doubt US shareholders. That is the nature of most big business nowadays it is international and co-operative. Not insular and nationalist as it is in Trump's warped brain.

 

The point about this whole thread is that Trump wants it ALL for himself, and he is prepared to spend your taxpayers money to inflate his already unsustainably vast ego.

[tomazbodner]

15 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Your selective reading of history is childish.

 

America is the most generous country in the world. We dont use food or medicine as weapons unless there is shooting. Any suggestion to the ontrary is not borne out by any facts

 

It doesnt mattter anyway, a Massachusets (?) made vaccine is scheduled to start human testing in Seattle....

I think the name of company is Moderna.