Smokers and Covid-19: Regular cigarette and e-cigarette users face 5,000 fine for lighting up in public

[Misterwhisper]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

to be fair smoking a ciggie offer the same protection as a flimsy cotton face mask.

You could perhaps roll up and smoke that flimsy cotton mask -- killing two birds with one stone, so to speak.

[Russell17au]

18 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

There is no scientific evidence that secondary inhalation harms anyone.

There is however a report from the FDA in the US which stated "may" "could" "possibly" and "might".

Over the years all those words were dropped until it became an indisputable fact that secondary inhalation is tantamount to breathing napalm.   

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm

https://www.cardiosmart.org/News-and-Events/2016/10/Experts-Warn-About-the-Lifetime-Effects-of-Secondhand-Smoke-in-Children

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/secondhand-smoke.html

https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article/18/11/2045/2399366

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44330/

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(09)00154-8/pdf

Is that enough research for you or do you want more because there is more there if you do not believe this lot

[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm

https://www.cardiosmart.org/News-and-Events/2016/10/Experts-Warn-About-the-Lifetime-Effects-of-Secondhand-Smoke-in-Children

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/secondhand-smoke.html

https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article/18/11/2045/2399366

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44330/

https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(09)00154-8/pdf

Is that enough research for you or do you want more because there is more there if you do not believe this lot

Well thanks for proving my point for me.

If we take your first link. It references another study. Which references another study. Which references another study ........

You get the picture yet?

You trace all this stuff back and you will find there is NO clinical evidence secondary inhalation harms people.

If it did, given how many people have quit and are no longer smokers why has the instance of cancers and illnesses linked to smoking went up?  

[Russell17au]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Well thanks for proving my point for me.

If we take your first link. It references another study. Which references another study. Which references another study ........

You get the picture yet?

You trace all this stuff back and you will find there is NO clinical evidence secondary inhalation harms people.

If it did, given how many people have quit and are no longer smokers why has the instance of cancers and illnesses linked to smoking went up?  

You cannot accept anything, I feel sorry for you.

[Matzzon]

39 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Any evidence yet?

Yes! There is indisputable evidence of you repeating yourself and starting to resemble a parrot.

As other have been trying to give you links with evidence already, I find it a lost cause due to that you chose to deny them.

 

23 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

You cannot accept anything, I feel sorry for you.

I also feel extremely sorry for him, but it´s exactly like with the Coronavirus. There is no cure for him. They deemed him as one unique person, and they have decided to not waste any valuable resources on someone they strongly believe also will resist treatment.

[Cheesekraft]

joke, compare brief exposure to second hand smoke vs breathing the most polluted air in the world 24/7...

[DavisH]

On 3/21/2020 at 9:12 PM, DrTuner said:

What?!?! Smoke carrying SARS-CoV-2, well that's a new one. Sure it can aerosolize but this is the very first time I've seen anybody suggest it'd adhere to the smoke particles. 

 

If they continue on this brainfart reasoning, they'll notice the air is full of PM2.5 and PM10 particles. Oooops.

Unlike measles, aerosolisation of the coronavisus is thought to be limited. I don't see how smoking makes the virus stay in the air column longer. droplet infection seems to be the main pathway for transmission, and also the fact that the virus can last several hours or more on surfaces (hence the need to wash hands when in public places). 

[KhaoYai]

5 hours ago, Myran said:

Good. They should outlaw this disgusting habit in public and anywhere the smoke can reach anyone else, including apartment balconies.

You remind me of an ex girlfriend who used to whine like mad about how bad the smoke from my cigarettes smelled. She would then proceed to her Thai kitchen and smoke the whole neighbourhood out with her cooking - you ever been close to Basil when its cooking? takes your tonsils out.

 

Same goes for those food carts on the streets in Thailand - I don't see anyone moaning about them.  To all , anti-smokers like you - I suggest you go talk to a surgeon, especially the one in charge of an A&E unit.  Ask them which product gives them more customers overall, cigarettes or alcohol. The answer will ber alcohol and by a significant margin.

 

You get it in your head that smoking is so bad - disgusting as you say and you just run with that all your damned life - no respect for the people that choose to smoke.  I respect the rights of others and only smoke in open areas - believe it or not, smokers like to breathe clean air too. You however, have no respect for other people's rights at all.

 

Give it a rest, its boring.

[swissie]

Stay away from Joggers. They can exhale a lot more nasty stuff from their infected lungs than a smoking passive Bar-Stool dweller ever could.

[RJRS1301]

29 minutes ago, swissie said:

Stay away from Joggers. They can exhale a lot more nasty stuff from their infected lungs than a smoking passive Bar-Stool dweller ever could.

Hopefully if infected they would either be hospitalised or in home quarantine 

[Blue Mango]

17 hours ago, EricTh said:

Whenever I walk pass by somebody smoking, I can feel my throat starting to cough and phlegm swells within seconds.

This happens whenever you walk past somebody smoking? I think you should be tested for the Snowflake virus ????

[richard_smith237]

I think a couple of key contributors to this thread should consider other possibilities and get themselves checked out for an illness which made the headlines a few decades ago...  thought to be from eating prion contaminated meat (Beef) - Cruetzfeldt-Jakob disease... 

[a977]

On 3/21/2020 at 8:25 PM, Sambotte said:

It's a joke, right ? ????

No it's not a joke, on February 3 2019 the Government introduced a law banning smoking in public places these included pubs, clubs, cinemas, shopping centres, restaurants and an area of 5 metres around the entrance to said buildings. What the problem is the greedy bar owners don't want to loose customers so they allow it, the second part of the problem is the usual Police, council officers and the health department are too <deleted> lazy  to get off their FAT <deleted> and enforce the law, typical of Thailand. This could be such a wonderful place if the Government would get it's <deleted> together 

[metisdead]

Baiting posts, troll posts, inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. 

[PeteDaKat]

11 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

There is no scientific evidence that secondary inhalation harms anyone.

 

Does the Centers for Disease Control count?

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/health_effects/index.htm

It has citations and everything.

 

Does American Cancer Society count?

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/secondhand-smoke.html

 

Does American Lung Association count?

https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects-of-secondhand-smoke.html

[Joeythai]

What a joke, they never even enforced the non-smoking-on-beach ban or the bar closures from last week

[Myran]

9 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

You remind me of an ex girlfriend who used to whine like mad about how bad the smoke from my cigarettes smelled. She would then proceed to her Thai kitchen and smoke the whole neighbourhood out with her cooking - you ever been close to Basil when its cooking? takes your tonsils out.

 

Same goes for those food carts on the streets in Thailand - I don't see anyone moaning about them.  To all , anti-smokers like you - I suggest you go talk to a surgeon, especially the one in charge of an A&E unit.  Ask them which product gives them more customers overall, cigarettes or alcohol. The answer will ber alcohol and by a significant margin.

 

You get it in your head that smoking is so bad - disgusting as you say and you just run with that all your damned life - no respect for the people that choose to smoke.  I respect the rights of others and only smoke in open areas - believe it or not, smokers like to breathe clean air too. You however, have no respect for other people's rights at all.

 

Give it a rest, its boring.

What a nice little story that I'm not gonna bother to read. Smoking is still a disgusting habit.

[richard_smith237]

50 minutes ago, Myran said:

10 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

You remind me of an ex girlfriend who used to whine like mad about how bad the smoke from my cigarettes smelled. She would then proceed to her Thai kitchen and smoke the whole neighbourhood out with her cooking - you ever been close to Basil when its cooking? takes your tonsils out.

 

Same goes for those food carts on the streets in Thailand - I don't see anyone moaning about them.  To all , anti-smokers like you - I suggest you go talk to a surgeon, especially the one in charge of an A&E unit.  Ask them which product gives them more customers overall, cigarettes or alcohol. The answer will ber alcohol and by a significant margin.

 

You get it in your head that smoking is so bad - disgusting as you say and you just run with that all your damned life - no respect for the people that choose to smoke.  I respect the rights of others and only smoke in open areas - believe it or not, smokers like to breathe clean air too. You however, have no respect for other people's rights at all.

 

Give it a rest, its boring.

What a nice little story that I'm not gonna bother to read. Smoking is still a disgusting habit.

Agreed...  And you ask any doctor in the A&E unit if Lung Cancer is an Accident or and Emergency and they’ll say no, but pished up tool falling over or fighting generally leads to accidents and emergencies where as cancer creeps and respiratory tract diseases creep up on people, they don’t usually attend a hospital via an A&E unit. 

 

Regardless of the above and whether or not smoking is a filthy habit or not - the may crux of this story (apart from Matzzons colossal misunderstanding and repetitive off topic arguments) is that someone in a position of power has made a decision to ban something based on an completely unfounded idea which can’t be backed up by science. 

 

I agree, ban smoking in public, but do so for a viable reason. Don’t make up some ridiculous excuse. 

This tells us that they [those in positions of decision making power] can make up ridiculous laws and ban anything, you know, like ban you from buying a beer between 2pm and 5pm !!!! 

 

 

[OZinPattaya]

On 3/21/2020 at 9:08 PM, Matzzon said:

First you think smoking should be banned in public. After that it should be allowed in designated areas. Where are those areas? Are they not in public? Are the smokers in the designated areas not a part of the public? Is it possible that you are condoning the gathering of smokers, where one could be carrying the virus an infect other smokers in the designated areas? Is there no other group of people in public that are walking by the designated smoking areas? 

As you clearly can read it´s not hysteria. Never get hysteric, and take the card dealt to me as they come. It´s not any shooting from the hip. I don´t believe in that due to the big possibility to miss the target. I only got for success with one shot. Regarding the use of your sharp intelligence. Can´t you just humour me, and try to sort my questions out? As you say, smoking should be totally banned, except in the comfort of your own balcony when the neighbour is not out at the same time. Or your own fenced yard.

If public health and nuisance were really the issue here, we'd  be talking about a ban on alcohol. Never seen cigarettes cause a driver to kill people, beat a wife or child, get into brawls, or generally behave like a horse's @ss in public venues. Not to mention the myriad health risks of consuming too much alcohol and the fact that it causes vastly more collateral damage than smoking ever has or ever will. Obviously you support this ban because you personally find the habit so objectionable you're willing to subscribe to whatever pretext to ban its public display, no matter how specious.

[frantick]

Someone stated it nicely in a previous thread, put 100 smokers in a room for an hour with a non-smoker and everyone comes out alive. Put 100 non-smokers in a room for an hour with a running vehicle, and no one comes out alive. But, choose what you wish to worry about.

 

I'm an outdoor smoker. I don't throw butts on the ground and only smoke in outdoor bars with visible ashtrays. Now if a non-smoker sits beside me am I supposed to stop?

 

I'd like to believe bars offering  smoking prefer those tolerant types of personalities. Open your own non-smoking bar/restaurant.

 

Be careful what rights you wish to be outlawed, they'll come for your rights next.

 

 

[Virt]

It seems like giving up smoking these days would be a good thing, no matter if it carries over through exhaling or not.

it seems that smokers has a higher chance of dying from this damn vira.

 

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/9/3/841/htm?fbclid=IwAR2PZAnJ1L7ss1kdZ1jcszXywczWpA72W4xzz-HqRVLa5GSSwt_-J47ueBE

[Fred white]

Ain't e-cigarettes already illegal so instead of a 5000 bhat fine anyone caught using one should be arrested 

[Andre0720]

On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2020 at 8:23 PM, Liverpoolfan said:

What’s the fine for farting in public?

Asking for a friend.

Should be a lesser fine since a fart is definitely less stinky and less dangerous than cigarettes in Thailand. (Anyone would want to make a point that his or her farts are more stinky?)

[Fred white]

8 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

Should be a lesser fine since a fart is definitely less stinky and less dangerous than cigarettes in Thailand. (Anyone would want to make a point that his or her farts are more stinky?)

I don't know but my wife said the one I cut while ago was rotten ????

[Andre0720]

2 hours ago, frantick said:

Someone stated it nicely in a previous thread, put 100 smokers in a room for an hour with a non-smoker and everyone comes out alive. Put 100 non-smokers in a room for an hour with a running vehicle, and no one comes out alive. But, choose what you wish to worry about.

 

I'm an outdoor smoker. I don't throw butts on the ground and only smoke in outdoor bars with visible ashtrays. Now if a non-smoker sits beside me am I supposed to stop?

 

I'd like to believe bars offering  smoking prefer those tolerant types of personalities. Open your own non-smoking bar/restaurant.

 

Be careful what rights you wish to be outlawed, they'll come for your rights next.

 

 

If someone would like to develop a habit that would irritate others, reduce the longevity of others, let alone reducing their own life be some 10 years or so, I would hope that yes, someone would come and outlaw such a habit or rights...

[Andre0720]

1 minute ago, Fred white said:

I don't know but my wife said the one I cut while ago was rotten ????

Ok so I stand corrected. Always a prize winner somewhere...????

[Fred white]

11 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

If someone would like to develop a habit that would irritate others, reduce the longevity of others, let alone reducing their own life be some 10 years or so, I would hope that yes, someone would come and outlaw such a habit or rights...

Caffeine, fat, sugar, alcohol and some other things including too much sleep can be bad for your health do you want a govt or anyone outlawing these? I'm a non smoker 

[essox essox]

On 3/21/2020 at 8:26 PM, Sambotte said:

Any medical, scientific, base ?

non whatsoever....

[frantick]

1 hour ago, Andre0720 said:

If someone would like to develop a habit that would irritate others, reduce the longevity of others, let alone reducing their own life be some 10 years or so, I would hope that yes, someone would come and outlaw such a habit or rights...

Like driving a vehicle?

 

Parents 87 and 86, still each on their own, smokers their entire adult lives. Like me, happy with life, but don't think they'd care if they didn't live well into their 90's.

 

What's this damn fascination with people wanting to live forever? I just don't get it; must be a narcissistic thing.

[richard_smith237]

12 hours ago, frantick said:

Someone stated it nicely in a previous thread, put 100 smokers in a room for an hour with a non-smoker and everyone comes out alive. Put 100 non-smokers in a room for an hour with a running vehicle, and no one comes out alive. But, choose what you wish to worry about.

 

I'm an outdoor smoker. I don't throw butts on the ground and only smoke in outdoor bars with visible ashtrays. Now if a non-smoker sits beside me am I supposed to stop?

 

I'd like to believe bars offering  smoking prefer those tolerant types of personalities. Open your own non-smoking bar/restaurant.

 

Be careful what rights you wish to be outlawed, they'll come for your rights next.

 

 

Fair points. The Smoking in outdoor restaurants / bars is a grey area though. 

 

If you are smoking at an outdoor bar with an ashtray and a non-smoker sits near you, he doesn’t really have a right to complain. 

If I am sat at an outdoor restaurant I don’t want anyone near me smoking. If I am sat at an outdoor bar and someone comes outside, sits near me and start smoking I am not impressed but will tolerate it, if my child is with me I will not tolerate it and ask the person if they can smoke down-wind. 

 

In the past I’ve been in a restaurant and a woman next to me looked at us (my Wife and I) looked at our son in the pushchair next to our table (next to her) and lit up anyway. I wasn’t happy and complained to her, she had no idea that she was doing wrong - her argument that she was outside and it was up to me to tolerate smokers if I want to sit outside (in a restaurant) did not sit well with me. 

 

The issue with all of these issues are that many people; in this case smokers) are very polite and considerate of others, while a small percentage at the end of the spectrum don’t care. On the other hand we have non-smokers who are tolerant, usually based on their surroundings, and then a few ad the end of the spectrum who are completely intolerant and cry and get upset at the slightest whiff of smoke. 99% people sit in the happy medium in the middle without issues - its only the extremes which draw attention and discussion. 

 

Now.. back to people smoking in the street or while walking down the street. It doesn’t really happen very much, I can’t remember the last time I even noticed someone smoking in the street. Thus, for a balanced mind not looking to find outrage at every juncture in life this is simply a non-issue. That said, I still agree with the ban of smoking in public in exactly the same way I believe all antisocial behaviour in public should be banned and dealt with (and this means drunks making a nuisance of themselves - which again, really isn’t that much).