7 hours ago, frodo77 said:

This doctor should be jailed for fear-mongering.

just like they did in china! arrest the messenger bury your head and reap the consequences! great logic!

Anutin was right. Those never showering Italians made a deadly monster of our cute asian baby-virus.

Thailand’s leadership’s incremental response — adding new voluntary measures piece by piece — has been ineffective. Stricter measures are necessary to stifle the outbreak. Enhanced, assertive policies are necessary to control this pandemic. Thailand needs leaders in power  who make decisions anticipating what’s going to happen, not waiting until it’s so obvious (you’re forced) to make a decision.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

The high average age and so high numbers of elderly people in Italy would explain the higher death rate.  The same demographic issue will also cause the overloading of the wards.  

 

And if we look at the many Youtube documentaries from the Italian hospital wards, you can see all the people on the respirators look to be 70+.  

 

The fatality rate of an illness is not only down the virus itself - demographics, standards of hospital care, culture, climate - all have an impact and you'd think a doctor would know this?

 

 

 

 

So is this doctor a researcher? I've read a lot of stuff about this and this is the first time I've heard of a deadlier strain in Italy. I've read a lot about the different demographics between Italy and S. Korea for example, but never once did I hear about different strains. Is this just his assumption? Where are the references to the studies that identify a deadlier strain?

X amount of people who attended a sporting event were found to be covid positive , one of which had previously been to Italy.

How on earth can a scientist simply assume that the later is the ' super spreader ' ?

Am I missing something or could he not have picked up the virus at the stadium.

26 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

The high average age and so high numbers of elderly people in Italy would explain the higher death rate.  The same demographic issue will also cause the overloading of the wards.  

 

And if we look at the many Youtube documentaries from the Italian hospital wards, you can see all the people on the respirators look to be 70+.  

 

The fatality rate of an illness is not only down the virus itself - demographics, standards of hospital care, culture, climate - all have an impact and you'd think a doctor would know this?

 

 

 

 

Don't agree the oldest population per capita is in Japan and they had very few

infections compared to the west.

47 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

The high average age and so high numbers of elderly people in Italy would explain the higher death rate.  The same demographic issue will also cause the overloading of the wards.  

 

And if we look at the many Youtube documentaries from the Italian hospital wards, you can see all the people on the respirators look to be 70+.  

 

The fatality rate of an illness is not only down the virus itself - demographics, standards of hospital care, culture, climate - all have an impact and you'd think a doctor would know this?

 

 

 

 

You seem to have absolutely no clue, do you..I suggest you see the 2 videos in this article : https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597?

59 minutes ago, Sharp said:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Bloody good read, puts things into perspective. Thxx for the link.

1 hour ago, Sharp said:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

There is probably a lot of truth in there. But the red box at the top: "Swiss Propaganda Research" gives me shivers...

9 hours ago, xtof2 said:

 

They are all farangs, can't you see !

Not good to be an Italian in Thailand these days !

No, actually they are the downtrodden Thai and non-immigrants working like slaves making less than 10 USD a day with zero benefits, being sent home to die. But no worries and rest assured  everything is under control. ???? 

9 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

there are more than two strains of the virus now. the Italian one is different.

 

and many comparisons to Italy and Thailand now in terms of potential numbers. 

 

 

 

Coronavirus: Are there two strains and is one more deadly?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/

9 hours ago, frodo77 said:

This doctor should be jailed for fear-mongering.

Dr Manoon should be asked to prove his alarming prediction or publicly withdraw it. It is not unusual for viruses to mutate, but neither of the two main variations discovered so far appear to justify his claim, and as I write only one infected person has died in Thailand.

 

To quote from a New Scientist article on the evolution of the COVID-19 virus, "One (strain) is not more deadly than the other". If Dr Manoon believes this situation has changed, let him publish the evidence behind his scary assertion.

 

 

Edited March 23, 20206 yr by Krataiboy

9 hours ago, newatthis said:

or a Thai coming home from Italy.

 

Indigenous Thais are too poor to travel out of the country. As there are African Americans, Italian Americans, etc, in the U.S. Why not call them like it is; Chinese-Thai.

 

9 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

and how the F did it get to Italy?

 

popped out for a pizza??

 

anyways.. the fix is in, dirty farang did it, face is saved

 

I've read reports indicating that the Italian garment industry employs thousands of Chinese in producing garments/fashion.  Many of these Chinese workers returned to Italy from visits home, including Wuhan, which brought and spread the disease to Italy.

This is typical China propaganda. Keep throwing money and ideas at different people/governments and hopefully the propaganda will stick such as this statement: 

"THE VIRUS DID NOT START IN CHINA; CHINA IS THE GOVERNMENT THAT WILL SAVE THE WORLD FROM A VIRUS THAT THE WEST IS RESPONSIBLE FOR."

 

Oh! Oh! LOOK!!!!!!   I just saw a pig fly by my window on the 27th floor of our condo building too!  People are, in general, smart enough to see through this BS.

 

Hoping when this is all over and the dust has settled governments of the world again condemn China's government for allowing unsanitary ways of doing business and pressure them to join with the rest of the civilized world a more sanitized lifestyle.  Wet markets and spitting has got to go.

11 hours ago, aqua4 said:

You think?How about a bus load of super spreaders heading for the rural areas. If there was ever an argument against globalism then this virus must be it.

 

Globalism is a term for, in my long standing opinion, for selling out your country to another to 'help' them along.  I wonder how a certain globalism receiver country (a word that has, if one actually states it, it's somehow 'wrong' to 1.whatever billion...in the attempt to remain pc) will help the global problem.  Just glad they are helping the Italian corona issues, while rerouting supplies from the hand that fed it.  Feed and fed are two intirely different terms.  I'd opine further, but it just won't help much....but the future globalism terms and conditions will sure be interesting.  BTW I argued against globalism in my final paper years ago.  I knew it would kill my gpa, but I'm weird like that and thought college was supposed to generate 'open' thought.

 

stay safe all

3 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

X amount of people who attended a sporting event were found to be covid positive , one of which had previously been to Italy.

How on earth can a scientist simply assume that the later is the ' super spreader ' ?

Am I missing something or could he not have picked up the virus at the stadium.

To believe this is where all or most of Thailands cases came from should tell you the numbers are lies......then to allow a mass exodus to the north and all borders is another farce.  Talk about super spreaders.....let's be honest for once

12 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

More people in Italy died because more people have it, most unknowingly or unable to get tested

 

Look at the number of professional footballers there that have had it and what percentage of the population these footballers make up of the country 

That theory is flawed as human relations are often driven by common interest.  So if one has it, many on his own team will get it, and friends of those on other teams will have it ... basically you are using general statistics where it would fail to explain anything since you are not taking into account vectors of potential infection. 

Doctor ??? Where did he get the genoma of the "Italian" virus ??? How far can absurdity go ??? Doctor ??? I thought I had read it all, already ...

13 minutes ago, Dr Rodrigues Pereira said:

Doctor ??? Where did he get the genoma of the "Italian" virus ??? How far can absurdity go ??? Doctor ??? I thought I had read it all, already ...

I have been trying to find the breakdown in Italy but so far I find no information to speak of.  I think he is doctoring by assumption... based on L type having a higher mortality rate and Italy having a high confirmed mortality rate... he has made the assumption (not taking into account any other criteria) that therefore Italy is primarily l type and if Italy is primarily L type and Italians with COVID-19 came here - they also must have brought the 'L type' here.

 

Luckily he is just a doctor and not a scientist ????

12 hours ago, wasabi said:

I see a few people are at least protecting their chin with their face mask. As we know the chin is main entry point for transmission.

Those little pointy chins?  I can see that.  Glad I married a gal 40+ years ago with a round face.  Now her belly and butt are round, so those virus particles should just bounce off.

The real reasons for a dramatic increase in deaths amongst the poorer people is not enough respirators in Public hospitals. Everything else is just an excuse. I just heard that some hospitals won’t allow visitors anymore. My wife cannot visit her sick father as of yesterday due to virus fears. 

12 hours ago, ParkerN said:

It's been out of control since day 1. Any notion that the government have been in the driving seat with this is a wet-dream pure and simple, and exists only in the minds of those whose ambition to drive the country outstrips their ability do so so - by a very wide margin.

 

The Prayuth government have failed spectacularly to do any more than look after a very narrow band of interests, and he must now be made to pay an appropriate price to the Thai people.

 

That's the way it works.

 

 

500 baht?

Supuhhh spreaduhhhhhhh

49 minutes ago, pokerface1 said:

The real reasons for a dramatic increase in deaths amongst the poorer people is not enough respirators in Public hospitals. Everything else is just an excuse. I just heard that some hospitals won’t allow visitors anymore. My wife cannot visit her sick father as of yesterday due to virus fears. 

A hard reality, but not allowing visitors is wise...  you don't want to be in a hospital unless you really really have to... and the health professionals don't want unannounced covid-19 infected people showing up at hospital or emergency unless they require oxygen or ICU.  One unannounced infected person can basically take the entire medical facility offline and in quarantine when it is most needed.

Edited March 23, 20206 yr by bkkcanuck8

Why don't you call it the China Virus. It is the same virus from China that has been spreading all over the world. You cases are climbing because you have not been recording them since January. Trying to shift the focus of China and on to Itally? The only super spreader was the Chinesee lady you arrested last week that was blowing <deleted> out of her noise all over the bus and transport areas. She was infected as hell! China is Thailands friend but Thailand should have stopped it in January yet today they still have flights comming in from China. Whay a bunch of bull <deleted>! You had people from Itally in Thailand who were infected becasue of China and went back home and you are focused on them. Let's be clear it is all over the world and it came from China. China new of this Virus put let everyon loose in China for Chineese New Year. 100,000 of thousand came to Thailand and you have been hiding the number for months. Now everybody nows and Thailand looks real foolish making the statement it is came from Italy. Take some responsiblity and grow up Thailand.!

4 minutes ago, Travelerusa40 said:

Why don't you call it the China Virus. It is the same virus from China that has been spreading all over the world. You cases are climbing because you have not been recording them since January. Trying to shift the focus of China and on to Itally? The only super spreader was the Chinesee lady you arrested last week that was blowing <deleted> out of her noise all over the bus and transport areas. She was infected as hell! China is Thailands friend but Thailand should have stopped it in January yet today they still have flights comming in from China. Whay a bunch of bull <deleted>! You had people from Itally in Thailand who were infected becasue of China and went back home and you are focused on them. Let's be clear it is all over the world and it came from China. China new of this Virus put let everyon loose in China for Chineese New Year. 100,000 of thousand came to Thailand and you have been hiding the number for months. Now everybody nows and Thailand looks real foolish making the statement it is came from Italy. Take some responsiblity and grow up Thailand.!

If you look very closely you will see the virus that was present here in January and February was a much milder version of the mutated one that subsequently struck Italy and that has now been imported back to Thailand. That was why the number of cases and fatalities was so low, it seems the Thai gov. wasn't hiding the dead or the number of ill people, they simply didn't exist, as they didn't in neighboring countries also. But now the Italian virus (not the Chinese virus) is here with a vengeance and we will see Thailand follow the Italian model and lots of people will die, arguing over what we should call the virus seems banal, under the circumstances.

A look at the "Deadly Italian Strain":