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3 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

there are more than two strains of the virus now. the Italian one is different.

 

and many comparisons to Italy and Thailand now in terms of potential numbers. 

 

 

 

And where do you get your information? You're a scientist or a medical professional? You work for the WHO? Here's a good idea. Know what you're talking about before you open your piehole. Start here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/

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According to this reliable source, newscientist.com, "The differences between the two identified strains are tiny. In fact, they can’t really be considered to be separate “strains”, says Jones. And many of the genetic differences won’t affect the production of proteins, and so won’t change the way the virus works, or the symptoms it causes, he says. One is not more deadly than the other."

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/#ixzz6HVpj7Zto:  https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/    there is no appreciable difference between "strains" of the virus. It would appear we have a xenophobic Thai doctor on the loose. Is he also gonna deport Farang who don't wear masks?

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8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

No there are not. That research has now been debunked.

 

 "A paper published by Lu Jian of Peking University and colleagues on 3 March in the journal National Science Review analyzed 103 virus genomes and argued that they fell into one of two distinct types, named S and L, distinguished by two mutations. Because 70% of sequenced SARS-CoV-2 genomes belong to L, the newer type, the authors concluded that virus has evolved to become more aggressive and to spread faster.

But they lack evidence, Rambaut says. “What they’ve done is basically seen these two branches and said, ‘That one is bigger, [so that virus] must be more virulent or more transmissible,’” he says. However, just because a virus is exported and leads to a large outbreak elsewhere does not mean it is behaving differently: “One of these lineages is going to be bigger than the other just by chance.” Some researchers have called for the paper to be retracted. “The claims made in it are clearly unfounded and risk spreading dangerous misinformation at a crucial time in the outbreak,” four scientists at the University of Glasgow wrote in a response published on www.virological.org."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

 

With so many cases outside China some researcher should be updating the clock that was published some time ago, though by now that might be too complex. Anyway, The "strain" in Italy can easily be compared with samples from here & there to see whether it is distinct not only genetically but also in terms of virulence.

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5 minutes ago, PumpkinEater said:

I didnt know you could Identify a particular “strain” of the same virus...

How is this done?

By genomic comparison.

They look at the 30,000 long genome sequence of the virus, then they see the odd deviation.

 

If it repeats a few times that's a strain. Still the same virus, but slightly different.

 

Same same, but different.

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All viruses mutate as they pass from one place to another. This is normal. But that doesn't necessarily that one mutation is more virulent than another. This is what the Daily Express wrote last week;

CORONAVIRUS has ripped through Europe killing thousands and leaving potentially hundreds of thousands infected, but the deadly disease may have mutated into a new strain from the strain that killed thousands in China, according to Spanish scientists from the University of Valencia.

But the good Thai doctor isn't going to get off lightly because according to the Italian Gov. the virus was first detected in two Chinese tourists and later in Italians returning from China.

The problem is that in spreading such propaganda as this is that some will believe it no doubt the western foreigners will find even more restrictions levelled at them. Who are they going to blame when they have kicked us or driven, all western foreigners out.

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4 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

there are more than two strains of the virus now. the Italian one is different.

 

and many comparisons to Italy and Thailand now in terms of potential numbers. 

 

 

 

And where do you get your information? You're a scientist or a medical professional? You work for the WHO? Here's a good idea. Know what you're talking about before you open your piehole. Start here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/

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Just now, placnx said:

With so many cases outside China some researcher should be updating the clock that was published some time ago, though by now that might be too complex. Anyway, The "strain" in Italy can easily be compared with samples from here & there to see whether it is distinct not only genetically but also in terms of virulence.

That has been done. The university of Santander has done an exhaustive analysis and also concluded that there is no specific virulence in the Italian strain.

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the "deadly Italian strain" surely developed in the Prato area in northern Italy with a Chinese community of over 60000 (!), so it is a Chinese sub of the deadly Chinese Wuhan virus Covid-19; nothing much Italian about that strain... 

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According to Chinese scientists, severa strains were already ifentified in China itsself.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/  and https://abcnews.go.com/Health/scientists-identified-strains-covid-19/story?id=69391954 and https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/familyhealth/the-7-strains-of-coronavirus-and-unknowns-of-covid-19/ar-BB10OFbv.

 

But of course, always the farang it so be blamed.

Why you farangs still stay in that country, where you are as welcome as a bunch of fresh Urtica ( called nettles or stinging nettles) ?

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Even Johns Hopkins didn't mention different strains.... 

However he is right that Thailand didn't do enough to prevent the virus enter the country. 

As always money first. Health issues or responsibility for the country? Nada. 

And Italy and Thailand have in common :

Not prepared for the virus. 

Same situation in UK actually. Same stupid govt. 

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Just now, Jonathan Swift said:

And where do you get your information? You're a scientist or a medical professional? You work for the WHO? Here's a good idea. Know what you're talking about before you open your piehole. Start here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/

 

He's got it from a Chinese scientist and medical professional, Lu Jian of Peking University.

 

Unfortunately, his study has now been dismissed.

 

 "A paper published by Lu Jian of Peking University and colleagues on 3 March in the journal National Science Review analyzed 103 virus genomes and argued that they fell into one of two distinct types, named S and L, distinguished by two mutations. Because 70% of sequenced SARS-CoV-2 genomes belong to L, the newer type, the authors concluded that virus has evolved to become more aggressive and to spread faster.

But they lack evidence, Rambaut says. “What they’ve done is basically seen these two branches and said, ‘That one is bigger, [so that virus] must be more virulent or more transmissible,’” he says. However, just because a virus is exported and leads to a large outbreak elsewhere does not mean it is behaving differently: “One of these lineages is going to be bigger than the other just by chance.” Some researchers have called for the paper to be retracted. “The claims made in it are clearly unfounded and risk spreading dangerous misinformation at a crucial time in the outbreak,” four scientists at the University of Glasgow wrote in a response published on www.virological.org."

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

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again: I advice to be extremly careful with those panic making.

(" Leading Thai doctor in dire warning: Deadly Italian strain of Covid-19 now set to wreak havoc in Thailand")

 

Even a "doctor" is not God. What he is saying is just an assumption. At this point nobody knows the  mortality rate of the people getting infected at Lumpinee .

His Talking (or is it just the newspaper) is not one of an academic. An academic should refrain himself from panic making words like "super spreader", "devastated Italy" , "power to kill" "cause a rocket in cases"

 

Thailand does not need a Government or a public in panic . There is absolutely no need for that!!

 

I for myself have different kind of view, for what is happening in Italy. One reason for the extreme mortality rate could be that many people in that  area (North Italy ) are not only vulnerable because of other severe diseases (blood presure, diabetics , cancer ...) but the health of big parts of their population is preloaded because of the air pollution. Thats is what they have in common with the Wuhan region in China. (!)  There may be other reasons for the high mortality rate in Italy. You can do some research by reading  TheLancet (https://www.thelancet.com/coronavirus ).  Even the use of some medication may be one  reason to make them more vulnerable (see The Lancet). Because of this special situation, also the medics in the Italian hospitals are in panic-mode, meaning, they are trying medication, which is not proven to be useful /or not  harming more then being helpful. Doing this kind of panic/experimental use of medication can be very dangerous for the  patients. At this point, all is just pure speculation. And again: It is dangerous to make panic making announcements at this time. I can tell you, (and maybe because this is subject of my profession), that a panic of a whole Country will have probably much more evil results then a virus can have.

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2 minutes ago, thurien said:

the "deadly Italian strain" surely developed in Prato, city in northern Italy with a Chinese community of over 60000 (!), so it is a Chinese sub of the deadly Chinese Wuhan virus Covid-19; nothing much Italian about that strain... 

It's like saying my Toyota Corolla is a Thai car (which would explain a few things).

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3 minutes ago, Jonathan Swift said:

And where do you get your information? You're a scientist or a medical professional? You work for the WHO? Here's a good idea. Know what you're talking about before you open your piehole. Start here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/

That research has now been comprehensively dismissed.

 

See here:

 

 A paper published by Lu Jian of Peking University and colleagues on 3 March in the journal National Science Review analyzed 103 virus genomes and argued that they fell into one of two distinct types, named S and L, distinguished by two mutations. Because 70% of sequenced SARS-CoV-2 genomes belong to L, the newer type, the authors concluded that virus has evolved to become more aggressive and to spread faster.

But they lack evidence, Rambaut says. “What they’ve done is basically seen these two branches and said, ‘That one is bigger, [so that virus] must be more virulent or more transmissible,’” he says. However, just because a virus is exported and leads to a large outbreak elsewhere does not mean it is behaving differently: “One of these lineages is going to be bigger than the other just by chance.” Some researchers have called for the paper to be retracted. “The claims made in it are clearly unfounded and risk spreading dangerous misinformation at a crucial time in the outbreak,” four scientists at the University of Glasgow wrote in a response published on www.virological.org.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

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21 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

So all these working guys and gals in Bangkok and Pattaya were infected like the Northern Italians from the Chinese? 

From the Muay Thai boxing tournament in Bangkok? 

 

Where were the working Thai getting infected for the last 1-5 weeks?   

 

There have been no large numbers of Chinese here in Thailand for over 5 weeks

But enough were still there at the beginning of February

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/coronavirus-update-over-100000-chinese-are-still-in-thailand

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4 hours ago, darksidedog said:

 

This story is BS. The CDC and WHO two days ago came out and said there has been no mutation and there is only ONE strain. There is no such thing as the Italian strain. The reason so many people have died there is that the healthcare system has been overwhelmed not that because there was a more virulent local strain. 

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3 minutes ago, ecoscape said:

For f###### sake! There is only one Corvus 19 virus. Those who deny this are holding mankind to ransom 

There is only one Covid19 virus, but there are different strains, meaning different mutations.

 

To be absolutely clear, no particular strain has been found to be more virulent, including the Italian one.

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6 minutes ago, Magenta408 said:

Quite an irrational comment to make! On WHAT Basis?

On the basis of the research of Dr Lu Jian of Peking University, whose paper has now been dismissed:

 

" A paper published by Lu Jian of Peking University and colleagues on 3 March in the journal National Science Review analyzed 103 virus genomes and argued that they fell into one of two distinct types, named S and L, distinguished by two mutations. Because 70% of sequenced SARS-CoV-2 genomes belong to L, the newer type, the authors concluded that virus has evolved to become more aggressive and to spread faster.

But they lack evidence, Rambaut says. “What they’ve done is basically seen these two branches and said, ‘That one is bigger, [so that virus] must be more virulent or more transmissible,’” he says. However, just because a virus is exported and leads to a large outbreak elsewhere does not mean it is behaving differently: “One of these lineages is going to be bigger than the other just by chance.” Some researchers have called for the paper to be retracted. “The claims made in it are clearly unfounded and risk spreading dangerous misinformation at a crucial time in the outbreak,” four scientists at the University of Glasgow wrote in a response published on www.virological.org."

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret

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4 hours ago, frodo77 said:

This doctor should be jailed for fear-mongering.

Or promoted for telling the truth. The truth is a particularly nasty word to the people running the country.

 

The only truth that they will accept is the truth that they write themselves. Everything else is fake news.

 

I believe the doctor because Dr Manoon Leechawengwong is the ICU chief and disease expert at Bangkok's Vichaiyut Hospital in Phayathai district. He is a leading expert in respiratory illness.

 

Please tell me what medical qualifications you have?

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4 hours ago, darksidedog said:

It's great in retrospect to be able to see the sense in shutting the stable door, while you still have a horse, though he is simply uttering what many of us have been saying for nearly two months now, that Thailand should have had a strict immigration procedure in place a long time ago. Keeping the arms open in welcome for so long to save tourism numbers, was bound to have consequences sooner or later.

I didn't see any scientific evidence above to back up his claim this is a different strain, so hope he has that at least partially wrong.

I’m sure your right with there being no scientific evidence this sounds like a political statement blame it on the dirty farangs again  

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4 hours ago, aqua4 said:

You think?How about a bus load of super spreaders heading for the rural areas. If there was ever an argument against globalism then this virus must be it.

 

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Brainless ,panic travelling shoulder to shoulder

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