Trump considers reopening U.S. economy despite coronavirus spread

[johnnybangkok]

2 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

You need to watch less CNN and stop reading WAPO and NYT.  IMO your 'truth' are a load of fake news.  But lets leave politics out of this. The People will decide in November - and I will accept that decision, because there is no right or wrong in political elections - it is what the People decide.  If they decide Trump then that is their decision. If they decide Biden then that is their decision. That is how an election works - the People decide who they want to be POTUS.

Thanks for that Captain Obvious

 

[Dumbastheycome]

5 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

Correction, China is a totalitarian police state that can and has used force for anything they want. 

It has nothing to do with the people believing in the good of the group. Your ridiculous assertions and generalizations while trying to pretend that one nation cares more about the good of others more than another country is a vacuous one. But virtue signaling is a pillar the left must try to support their ideology. 

Yet that totalitarian state has apparently  managed  to minimize social  impact and is  emerging into  a semblance of normality.

If virtue signaling is the social measure of ideology then perhaps given the dissent in the US where the assumption of preferred  ideology is  being covertly corrupted is the true test of the  moment?

The  biggest problem Trump has is that  although  he is  the  supreemo elected  representative  of  the "united " states  he  can  not over ride  Individual State  control  with  absolute autonomy without  extreme  exceptions.

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

This is a world crisis, which is being underplayed by many that it suits to do so. It looks pretty clear that the US has much worse to come yet,

 

You're right, this is a world crisis, but if anything it is being overplayed, not underplayed. Yes, the US most likely will have more Covid19 deaths, other countries will too. However, the way to minimise those deaths is to test, isolate and identify the virus. To take the fight to the virus. Not to hide away, self-isolation is not  a permanent option. It has to end at some point. Else there will be no resources to do the testing and isolation, which is the only way to defeat the virus.

 

It is easy to test for a virus in normal conditions. Not so easy when you can't go out the house, there's no public transport and nobody is working.

 

 

[Rimmer]

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[CharlieH]

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[tropo]

13 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

Thing is.

Trump and the Federal Government don't really have much control on what State Governors and City Mayors do with regard to their local communities.

 

I think a lot of Europeans don't quite understand, that unlike their countries, power is ceded to the Federal Government, not the other way round.

So if the State decides to lock everything down, there is precious little of Trump huffing, puffing and tweeting that can change that.

 

Gavin Newsom locking down California, or indeed my local Mayor in South Dakota closing non essential business' for what they consider the greater public health issue, takes precedent over anything the Fed's might say  

Well, isn't that great. If things get really messed up in South Dakota, you've only got yourself (state government) to blame, but they'll try to lay it on Trump anyway.

[AussieBob18]

18 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Thanks for that Captain Obvious

 

Dismissed Corporal.

[DLock]

Given the choice of a slow, painful, financial collapse and firing my 200+ employees, personally, I would prefer to take the best precautions I could for my self and my staff, and risk the virus...and let others make their own choice based on their age and physical condition, and let an industry develop to support them through this...whilst we invest in a vaccine...

 

...however, as much as 3-weeks ago, I was all in support of strict measures, mainly based on the South Korean model...but I think its too late for the world at large...

 

No doubt 10's, maybe 100's of thousands will die...but what is the consequence of shutting the entire world for 3 - 6 months?

 

 

 

 

 

[Nyezhov]

6 minutes ago, DLock said:

o doubt 10's, maybe 100's of thousands will die...but what is the consequence of shutting the entire world for 3 - 6 months?

well Goivernor Cuomo seems to agree with the proposition that we cant shut down forever, and that he is responsible for and realizes the economic damage to NY and that its got to open up sooner or later.

 

Thats what I just heard him saying on TV, has anyone seen that in print?. Sounds like Cuomo and Trump are on the same page

[AussieBob18]

2 minutes ago, DLock said:

Given the choice of a slow, painful, financial collapse and firing my 200+ employees, personally, I would prefer to take the best precautions I could for my self and my staff, and risk the virus...and let others make their own choice based on their age and physical condition, and let an industry develop to support them through this...whilst we invest in a vaccine...

...however, as much as 3-weeks ago, I was all in support of strict measures, mainly based on the South Korean model...but I think its too late for the world at large...

No doubt 10's, maybe 100's of thousands will die...but what is the consequence of shutting the entire world for 3 - 6 months?

 

That my friend is the billion dollar question - well said. 

I think a lot of people are going to suddenly have to do what they haven't done before - accept accountability and responsibility.

Shutting the world down is fine when the outcome is the deaths of hundreds of millions as in the zombie movies, but if the net amount of deaths are going to be less than the number of people that die in car accidents, then there are going to be a lot of unemployed people after 3 months asking where do I get some food and when can I get a job/money.  If the world shuts down for 6 months then all those people who panic bought are going to be happy and/or robbed of the food/supplies they stored.

 

[Logosone]

8 minutes ago, DLock said:

Given the choice of a slow, painful, financial collapse and firing my 200+ employees, personally, I would prefer to take the best precautions I could for my self and my staff, and risk the virus...and let others make their own choice based on their age and physical condition, and let an industry develop to support them through this...whilst we invest in a vaccine...

 

...however, as much as 3-weeks ago, I was all in support of strict measures, mainly based on the South Korean model...but I think its too late for the world at large...

 

No doubt 10's, maybe 100's of thousands will die...but what is the consequence of shutting the entire world for 3 - 6 months?

 

 

 

 

 

Growth picks up rather quickly after a pandemic.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/22/economists-pandemic-predictions-covid-19

 

The Spanish flu was said by some to have had a robust positive impact on income growth in the US.

[AussieBob18]

1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:

well Goivernor Cuomo seems to agree with the proposition that we cant shut down forever, and that he is responsible for and realizes the economic damage to NY and that its got to open up sooner or later.

 

Thats what I just heard him saying on TV, has anyone seen that in print?. Sounds like Cuomo and Trump are on the same page

If Trump and Coumo are on the same page then this is all over red rover.  Stock up on your masks and hand wash and get back to work - and lets hope it is not as bad as the 'experts' predicted.

[Nyezhov]

Just now, AussieBob18 said:

If Trump and Coumo are on the same page then this is all over red rover.  Stock up on your masks and hand wash and get back to work - and lets hope it is not as bad as the 'experts' predicted.

God bless america! (and Gawd save the Queen!)

[AussieBob18]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Growth picks up rather quickly after a pandemic.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/22/economists-pandemic-predictions-covid-19

 

The Spanish flu was said by some to have had a robust positive impact on income growth in the US.

Yep - that and the end of WW1 - until 1929 when it crashed big time - lets hope this time they dont let it get that over heated.

[JHolmesJr]

1 minute ago, AussieBob18 said:

If Trump and Coumo are on the same page then this is all over red rover.  Stock up on your masks and hand wash and get back to work - and lets hope it is not as bad as the 'experts' predicted.

 

If Cuomo says re-open the economy wonder what new line of attack the Dems will drum up

against the Don. He's just swatting them away like flies these days. Winning.

[AussieBob18]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Many Americans will be very grateful that they will not be hearing those misinformation from Trump which can meant saving their lives. Feel sorry for the deceased Arizona man and his wife who is in critical condition after ingesting chloroquine phosphate which was named by Trump as treatment for CD19. 

Eric - I truly hope this shows you that what you are believing is fake news against Trump.  

The medications that Trump stated was working in some cases, was not what the stupid man took.

The guy took a fish aquarium product that sounded similar - Trump did not state 'chloroquine phosphate'.

This is what you are seeing and hearing - the media is blaming the death of a person on Trump falsely and with malice.

I am not saying you should vote for Trump - I am saying you are being told untruths about him.

[Logosone]

5 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Yep - that and the end of WW1 - until 1929 when it crashed big time - lets hope this time they dont let it get that over heated.

It's really interesting actually, looking at the Spanish flu:

 

Surprisingly, the stock market in 1918 was relatively unaffected by the Spanish flu outbreak. In fact, the Dow Jones Industrial Average increased by 50% after the outbreak abated. The years following the crisis, known as the Roaring Twenties, were a period of prosperity.

 

Also wages increased, due to the labour shortage caused by the deaths.

 

https://www.breezejmu.org/opinion/opinion-history-can-teach-us-about-economic-impact-of-covid/article_727a3ff2-68b4-11ea-a529-b330483fd726.html

[geriatrickid]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

What benefits will China gain from lying. Do you think that the authority purposefully massage the recovery and risk a false security with their citizens to let down their guard and discard all the previous precautions. If the virus is not completely managed and controlled, a wrong message will resurrect the crisis all over again. Even WHO acknowledges the progress that China made. 

China cares only about itself and its interests. It  attempted to cover up this crisis from the start. China  has repeatedly attempted to  steal intellectual property and information in respect to biomedical contagions Chinese nationals and presumed  agents were stopped at the Canadian Government Microbiology laboratory in Winnipeg. They were accessing the previous SARS and Ebola data. This is no secret and was reported on extensively.  It is also no secret that China has significant influence with WHO, particularly since its leader is from Ethiopia and tied to the Ethiopian ruling oligarchy. And surprise, surprise, China is a major financial backer of that regime.

 

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Golly and to think there night be differeing opinions in a huge organization.

Any case fatality rates without an asterisk are misleading. 

Dude your whole post is a sad rant of monumental proportions. Face facts: its either destroy the economy with dire predictions and screaming at the evil orage satan that brought it on or pull together, get this thing beat by everyone doing their part and if some folks fall in the trenches, thats the cost of saving society. Joe Biden wants Trump to be a war time president, well let him fight the war then. Or tell me, exactly what would you do if you were leader of the free world.

Leader of the Free World?  One needs a world to lead. Outside of some dictators and  politicians dependent upon  the USA, no one is willing to follow Mr. Trump. He is the source of ridicule.

 

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

Finally a person able to lead.

Let's hope our spineless do nothing governments take a good look and start to bring back normality.

Self-isolation is not a long term solution. Testing, identifying and isolating the infected is the only way.

Good job America. Lead the way. Show the way out.

Maybe he is able to lead. Unfortunately, he is not doing it now.

The time for him to Lead and to Act was back in January.

It is wonderful that you support testing. Unfortunately, the Trump administration had 2 months to  get testing underway and it still to this day cannot get the tests into the field.

They can't even get protective garments to the   medical personnel.

The US Federal government and many of its states have not led. They have more in common with Iran than they do with the modern world. It speaks volumes that China, Cuba and Russia are sending emergency medical supplies to countries  while the free world is on the verge of collapse.

[Logosone]

15 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

 

Maybe he is able to lead. Unfortunately, he is not doing it now.

The time for him to Lead and to Act was back in January.

It is wonderful that you support testing. Unfortunately, the Trump administration had 2 months to  get testing underway and it still to this day cannot get the tests into the field.

They can't even get protective garments to the   medical personnel.

The US Federal government and many of its states have not led. They have more in common with Iran than they do with the modern world. It speaks volumes that China, Cuba and Russia are sending emergency medical supplies to countries  while the free world is on the verge of collapse.

You're absolutely right, Trump didn't do enough early enough. I understand one of the problems the Americans had, and the CDC also absolutely dropped the ball, is that they refused to get commercial companies to do the test kits and instead insisting on developing their own. These were poorly designed and did not work, hence there was a delay in rolling out tests.

 

I totally agree with you, Russia's heroic humanitarian help to the Italians is an example to all nations.

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[AussieBob18]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Obama was not much criticized because, unlike Trump, he did not wait during more than one month while talking BS, and made quick and good decisions.

H1N1 was first recognised as a serious infection in April 2009 and was declared by WHO as a pandemic on 11 June 2009.  After the pandemic was still growing and failing to be controlled, Obama declared a national emergency in October 2009. 

 

Covid19 was first recognised as a serious infection in January 2020 and was declared by WHO as a pandemic on 12 March 2020. Trump declared a national emergency on 13 March 2020. 

 

There was nothing wrong with Obama's actions - his Admin had already started to work on dealing with the infection, but it was not being stopped, so he escalated the issue to a National Emergency - and quite correctly.

 

This time round Trump was told he should escalate immediately because of what was happening in overseas countries, unlike for swine flu that hit Mexico and USA first.  Yes he was reluctant to do so, but he did it when WHO declared it a pandemic and he was made fully awre of the situation.  But to claim he did nothing for a month is BS - and to state that Obama acted much more quickly is also BS.  They both acted appropriately at the time given the circumstances.  Remember on 1st March 2020 there were only 62 cases in USA and nil deaths.   All the Trump bashing is distortions and mistruths by the media - how unusual.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 hours ago, candide said:

It seems to work but has strong side effects. China has forbidden this treatment for people over 65.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3

 

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Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure': Woman whose husband died after ingesting chloroquine warns the public not to 'believe anything that the president says'

 

• The wife of an Arizona man who died after ingesting chloroquine phosphate to protect himself from the novel coronavirus urged the public on Monday not to "believe anything that the president says" and rely on doctors instead.
• Banner Health said the man and his wife consumed a version of the chemical that's used to clean aquariums.
• "We saw Trump on TV — every channel — and all of his buddies and that this was safe," the woman, who is in critical care after taking the drug with her husband, told NBC News' Vaughn Hillyard. 

 

 

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[alyx]

40 minutes ago, Logosone said:

It's really interesting actually, looking at the Spanish flu:

 

Surprisingly, the stock market in 1918 was relatively unaffected by the Spanish flu outbreak. In fact, the Dow Jones Industrial Average increased by 50% after the outbreak abated. The years following the crisis, known as the Roaring Twenties, were a period of prosperity.

 

Also wages increased, due to the labour shortage caused by the deaths.

 

https://www.breezejmu.org/opinion/opinion-history-can-teach-us-about-economic-impact-of-covid/article_727a3ff2-68b4-11ea-a529-b330483fd726.html

I do not know anything about finance and markets but wouldn't it be fair to say that Internet and swift communication, for the good and the bad, have "helped" the situation as we know it today?

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, alyx said:

I do not know anything about finance and markets but wouldn't it be fair to say that Internet and swift communication, for the good and the bad, have "helped" the situation as we know it today?

Definitely, the interconnectedness has been a help and curse.

 

Trump closed all flights relatively early, not early enough, but on the same day the Italians did, who were one of the first. It was still too late, it was tourists, work delegates who spread the virus.

 

Social media has caused panic buying, but also helped to inform of the virus.

 

A car, a hedge fund are not bad or good, it depends what you do with it. Same with the internet and social media.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The coronavirus deaths in the U.S. have names and faces and stories, each and every one.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2020/03/24/coronavirus-kills-former-college-basketball-players-david-edwards-lee-green/2905713001/

 

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Former Texas A&M standout David Edwards and former St. John's player Lee Green died Monday following battles with the novel coronavirus, according to reports. 

Edwards' death was confirmed to the Dallas Morning News by a Texas A&M spokesperson. His former teammate, Charles Henderson, indicated on Facebook that Edwards had died from COVID-19, writing "This coronavirus has hit me in the heart.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nbc-news-employee-dies-after-testing-positive-coronavirus-n1164696

 

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A longtime employee of NBC News died Thursday after testing positive for the coronavirus, NBC News Chairman Andy Lack said in an email to staff members.

Larry Edgeworth, 61, who worked in an equipment room at NBC News' 30 Rockefeller Plaza headquarters in New York, also suffered from other health issues, according to his wife, Crystal.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/new-jersey-family-coronavirus.html

 

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Coronavirus Ravages 7 Members of a Single Family, Killing 4

The matriarch of the large New Jersey family died Wednesday night without ever knowing that her two oldest children had died before her.

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Now, her close-knit clan is united anew by unspeakable grief: Mrs. Fusco, 73, died on Wednesday night after contracting the coronavirus — hours after her son died from the virus and five days after her daughter’s death, a relative said.

 

 

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[Logosone]

A report issued Wednesday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows younger people are making up a big portion of hospitalizations.

 

Yes, the bumbling ineptitude of the CDC did not help, unfortunately:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

[JHolmesJr]

48 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3

 

 

 

total BS...these two idiots went out and brought some chloroquine phosphate which is 

an industrial aquarium cleaner issued when fish are infected. They died due to their own stupidity.

 

stop spreading nonsense just because it suits your anti trump agenda.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

total BS...these two idiots went out and brought some chloroquine phosphate which is 

an industrial aquarium cleaner issued when fish are infected. They died due to their own stupidity.

 

stop spreading nonsense just because it suits your anti trump agenda.

 

And why exactly did they go out and buy and injest the chemical/medication? At who's direct urging, all over television?

 

From Associated Press' report on the couple:

 

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At a news conference last week, Trump falsely stated that the Food and Drug Administration had just approved the use of an anti-malaria medication called chloroquine to treat patients infected with coronavirus. Even after the FDA chief clarified that the drug still needs to be tested for that use, Trump overstated the drug’s potential upside in containing the virus.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/arizona/articles/2020-03-23/banner-health-opens-drive-thru-sites-in-phoenix-tucscon

 

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[Dumbastheycome]

Why is it  that so many of these  "reports" tend  to  be   specific/non specific  by  stating  infection  by  "corona  virus" ?

Which  corona  virus ??????????????????/

The  common  cold is  a freakin  corona  virus. Even that  can lead  to complications.

Tell us  when and if the  case in point  is  "Covid-19"  or  the  more complex  description  of  it !

 

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[riclag]

The best economic POTUS in decades ! Unfortunately the medical induced economic condition of America is in crisis.

 

Who better to lead in a recovery effort,when the cv has been flat lined !

 

 

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[riclag]

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And why exactly did they go out and buy and injest the chemical/medication? At who's direct urging, all over television?

Your wrong ,first he didn't urge people to take it! He mentioned it was a gut instinct and there is great hope and he likes it and that if someone is dying a doctor and patient should discuss their options ! And it was mentioned it was under FDA testing !

"On Sunday, a couple in Arizona who had heard the president describe the drug on television, and were afraid of dying from Covid-19, discovered that they had a version of the chemical chloroquine phosphate, used to clean fish tanks, among their pet supplies. Mistakenly believing that the chemical sold to pet owners, which is available online, was the same as the anti-malaria drug prescribed for humans — it is not — the man, who was 68, and his wife, who was 61, tried to self-medicate by mixing one teaspoon of the bitter tasting chemical with soda and swallowing it".

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/trump-hyped-chloroquine-cure-covid-19-man-arizona-took-died/

 

They had a version,mistakenly,it is not. ,self medicate.

They should of consulted a doctor,in the states you need a prescription!  How many people have died in the past from medication errors ,thousands each year!Add one more! 

This is just another negative  narrative news story to bash and blame the POTUS !

 

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