How the Pandemic Will End

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, rickudon said:

Right time for a dose of reality. So far covid-19 has infected only 0,01% of the worlds population, but has so far killed over 30,000 people. Lets say for every diagnosed person there are 4 more who are not and only have mild symptoms (this is one area for which there are no reliable data), so lets say 0.05% of the population have it. If allowed to spread, shall we say eventually 20% of people catch it, but that might take a couple of years. How many times greater than 0.05% is 20%? Answer, 400 times. 400 x 30,000 = 12 million dead. Not exactly flu.

 

Or take Italy. In one month, covid-19 has killed nearly 11,000 people. But so far it has still not infected even 1% of the population. The eventual death toll will be more like 200,000 (but could be a factor of 10 lower or higher....), hardly a normal flu season. These 'experts' are just being optimistic, probably because they have been ordered to do so.

 

What it all boils down too, is do you want to save people or the economy? A stark choice.

Destroying the global economy, which is what appears to be on the cards, will ultimately cause far more death and hardship than the current virus, which is already showing signs of having peaked in several affected countries.

 

The UK Goverment officially downgraded the threat level of COVID-19 less than a fortnight ago, and the leading US authority on the outbreak is comparing its impact to that of a common 'flu epidemic - like the one which struck Italy in January, enfeebling that country's response to the corona virus which followed hard on its heels.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Krataiboy

[DrTuner]

38 minutes ago, TheDark said:

I'm guessing coronavirus will come back multiple times. 

 

While there is going to be global shutdown of people traveling from one location to another, that will isolate countries from each others. There will be a lot nationalistic talk between populations of the big world powers. Mainly USA and China.

 

Russia has already sent thousands of troops and hundreds of tanks to the Ukrainian border. What comes next, well, hopefully nothing. 

 

As economies go down, unemployment increases, this will increase crime rate around the world during and after the first stage of epidemic (3-6 months).

 

Hopefully the populations around the world will see the difference between real and populist leaders during the times of crisis. 

 

Nobody will talk about silly stuff and universities are open again for real debates without safe places. 

 

In a way covid-19 is a worldwide reality check and leads to more sustainable and basic values.

Crises do have sobering effects. You might have noticed nobody is blathering about political correctness or some fringe minorities now. That said, I don't think this pandemic is long or hard enough to change anything. Last time around it took several years of WW2 for people to be knocked into their senses. We'll be back to frontpage CNN gender politics in no time.

Edited March 30, 2020 by DrTuner

[Krataiboy]

5 minutes ago, bermondburi said:

Not exactly a downgrading, but there is clarity here. 

 

https://reason-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/reason.com/2020/03/27/no-british-epidemiologist-neil-ferguson-has-not-drastically-downgraded-his-worst-case-projection-of-covid-19-deaths/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&fbclid=IwAR1wv-ovjUBm5cNYTXxPNX8pF4tuyr0kGnUJjUgQ7qpVkk18ZX7caOKH4gc&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15855796779782&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Freason.com%2F2020%2F03%2F27%2Fno-british-epidemiologist-neil-ferguson-has-not-drastically-downgraded-his-worst-case-projection-of-covid-19-deaths%2F

Nothing can be clearer that what came out of the horse's mouth.

 

The UK Government announced on March 19, that "COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK". 

 

If you are interested, the full text of the statement should still be available on the Public Health England website. 

[Logosone]

Excellent work.

[4MyEgo]

8 hours ago, jaideeguy said:

We'll [I'm the US now] pay the price that the 'ORANGE BABOON' imposed by trivializing it in the beginning when it could have made a difference.  Now, he is rushing to catch up with the 'third world' and pushing his snake oil and making supply promises that can't be fulfilled on such short notice, meanwhile patting himself on the back to position himself for the next 4 years and people are stupid enough to believe him.

He took on China with his trade war, no doubt wanting to turn things around, to be fair, but he wasn't being fair, he was being ruthless, might work for him as a real estate entrepreneur, but his ego as the President of the United States of America, stroked his big ego beyond my wildest imagination.

 

I am not pro China or pro USA for that matter, but as I said to a mate of mine a year ago, this clown, has no idea who he is dealing with, the Chinese are cunning, they will not fold to this puppet, watch the comeback, not only will they bring Trump down because of his incompetence, but all of his allies.

 

As Tony Montana in the movie Scarface said: "Say hello to my little friend" 

[GAZZPA]

9 hours ago, jaideeguy said:

We'll [I'm the US now] pay the price that the 'ORANGE BABOON' imposed by trivializing it in the beginning when it could have made a difference.  Now, he is rushing to catch up with the 'third world' and pushing his snake oil and making supply promises that can't be fulfilled on such short notice, meanwhile patting himself on the back to position himself for the next 4 years and people are stupid enough to believe him.

"third world"? Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea are third world? Are you American? These 3 countries are NOT third world countries. They are advanced nations with very developed economies and they had their heads screwed on when it came to tackling this terrible situation, USA however did not. USA has had its time as the leading global economy like many before it. in the future we should ALL look to nations like South Korea for advice on tackling pandemics because nothing is coming from the USA. I mean no personal offence to you, just an observation. stay safe...

[GAZZPA]

47 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

He took on China with his trade war, no doubt wanting to turn things around, to be fair, but he wasn't being fair, he was being ruthless, might work for him as a real estate entrepreneur, but his ego as the President of the United States of America, stroked his big ego beyond my wildest imagination.

 

I am not pro China or pro USA for that matter, but as I said to a mate of mine a year ago, this clown, has no idea who he is dealing with, the Chinese are cunning, they will not fold to this puppet, watch the comeback, not only will they bring Trump down because of his incompetence, but all of his allies.

 

As Tony Montana in the movie Scarface said: "Say hello to my little friend" 

I think China are not out to bring down anyone. They simply get their heads down and work to securing their own future, be that in China or anywhere else in the world. Sound familiar? I think the countries in the west that embrace that and find a way to work with China will prosper the same as China continues to do, simple as that. 

[tropo]

13 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

The U.S. may end up with the worst Covid-19 outbreak in the industrialized world

Let me throw a spanner in the works here. The US is doing more testing than every other country, so this ends up giving them a big score. China is flat out lying, and has posted hardly any (or no) new infections or deaths for weeks now. India? Only 1071 reported cases with 29 deceased? I don't think so... this has to be the tip of the iceberg for India.

 

But, who is talking about Russia? No one! 

 

 

Seriously?

 

I have some Russian contacts who work in the aerospace industry. I asked them what is going on in Russia. They replied that they don't have a clue. One of them told me that when they turn up for work they have their temperature checked with a broken thermometer, and that's about it. He told me last reading was 32C LOL. I mentioned he would likely be close to death at 32C and he said it was cold outside (Moscow - about -6C that day).

 

He mentioned that Russians are about as careless as Italians. I'm not sure what he meant by that.

 

A country of 145 million, known for state secrecy, and MUCH colder than the US on average. I wouldn't be surprised if they set the record for the worst COVID19 outbreak in the industrialized world, a country which borders on China.

[Iron Tongue]

40 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

I think China are not out to bring down anyone. They simply get their heads down and work to securing their own future, be that in China or anywhere else in the world. Sound familiar? I think the countries in the west that embrace that and find a way to work with China will prosper the same as China continues to do, simple as that. 

Wrong!  The Chinese are working in an overt manner to dominate the world economically and militarily.  If you read Mandarin (which I do) you would understand this.

 

They have successfully used debt-trap diplomacy to acquire natural resources as well as military bases worldwide.  The leaders of China's PLA actively agitate for direct military conflict with the USA today.  (Quite foolish for now)

 

Espionage, military and industrial is a fact.  Please enter "China African Union building" in any browser of your choice and read.

 

Even Russia is slowly being re-colonized in the east for it's vast natural resources and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

China is playing a long-game quite well.  Most people still think the Chinese like you and want to share, they don't.

[Davo369]

2 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said:

Wrong!  The Chinese are working in an overt manner to dominate the world economically and militarily.  If you read Mandarin (which I do) you would understand this.

 

They have successfully used debt-trap diplomacy to acquire natural resources as well as military bases worldwide.  The leaders of China's PLA actively agitate for direct military conflict with the USA today.  (Quite foolish for now)

 

Espionage, military and industrial is a fact.  Please enter "China African Union building" in any browser of your choice and read.

 

Even Russia is slowly being re-colonized in the east for it's vast natural resources and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

China is playing a long-game quite well.  Most people still think the Chinese like you and want to share, they don't.

100% agree with you 

[Davo369]

Don't know if i should say this.... but,, fxxk it..

NUKE EM   

Okay bit over the top but <deleted> em

Edited March 30, 2020 by Davo369

[DrTuner]

36 minutes ago, tropo said:

I have some Russian contacts who work in the aerospace industry. I asked them what is going on in Russia. They replied that they don't have a clue. One of them told me that when they turn up for work they have their temperature checked with a broken thermometer, and that's about it. He told me last reading was 32C LOL. I mentioned he would likely be close to death at 32C and he said it was cold outside (Moscow - about -6C that day).

Yup, that sounds like Russians. Not much has changed since CCCP.

 

Hmm...

 

CCCP = The KGB dude with bare chest

CCP = His Chinese buddy

CP = Thai buddy of the Chinese Buddy

P = Uncle!

 

Hah. Should've known.

[CygnusX1]

Unless an effective vaccine’s developed, which isn’t too likely, lockdowns will ensure that the pandemic will go on for many years. Countries such as Australia that have imposed strict lockdowns will succeed in reducing the number of people infected to a very small percentage of their population, but as soon as the lockdown’s lifted transmission will rocket up again, and a new lockdown will be imposed. They will have gained time to construct temporary hospitals, produce ventilators etc, but herd immunity can never develop.

The general public, who are currently terrified and willing to accept, even demand, the most outrageous restrictions on their personal freedoms, will slowly start to realise that the cure is becoming far worse than the disease, and will begin to accept that there’s one more nasty disease they will have to live with, something that kills a smallish portion of the old and frail and a tiny portion of the young and fit, just as they have to live with cancer, stroke and heart disease, and cancer’s a far nastier disease than the China virus.

[rumak]

12 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Back in that day I bet they had more social distancing naturally then we are having now with the stay safe advice.  I mean, they did not have crowded subway trains, they were not packed like sardines in airplanes or airports, were not panic buying and jostling for position in supermarkets, and were not crammed into shopping malls on weekends or on month long holidays on a cruse ships with the population of a small city.

the thing that bewilders me is that modern life , with the masses mostly living in urban centers,

is where almost everyone chooses to be.   

Also,  anyone that ever sounded the alarm about overpopulation was/is  still laughed at or told to sit down.    Its all about the "balance sheet"  i guess.    sad

 

[rumak]

5 hours ago, Iron Tongue said:

Wrong!  The Chinese are working in an overt manner to dominate the world economically and militarily.  If you read Mandarin (which I do) you would understand this.

 

They have successfully used debt-trap diplomacy to acquire natural resources as well as military bases worldwide.  The leaders of China's PLA actively agitate for direct military conflict with the USA today.  (Quite foolish for now)

 

Espionage, military and industrial is a fact.  Please enter "China African Union building" in any browser of your choice and read.

 

Even Russia is slowly being re-colonized in the east for it's vast natural resources and there's nothing they can do about it.

 

China is playing a long-game quite well.  Most people still think the Chinese like you and want to share, they don't.

For the country bumpkins out there who find this hard to understand.........  it is the same way that fire ants spread   ????   “They are opportunistic nesters,” said LeBrun. “They can take up residence in everything from a house plant, to an empty container left outside, to an RV"

Edited March 30, 2020 by rumak

[bkk6060]

6 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

I think the countries in the west that embrace that and find a way to work with China will prosper the same as China continues to do, simple as that. 

As they still continue to sell and eat bats and probably will be the initiators of the next pandemic.

 

[englishoak]

21 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

As they still continue to sell and eat bats and probably will be the initiators of the next pandemic.

 

Yup wet markets already opened again, selling all the same stuff as before...Chinese have been brainwashed and corrupted from kindergarten to grave for at least the past 70 years and many times over throughout its bloody history... All the average Chinese cares about and told to care about is obtaining more money, dosnt really matter how thats done or what stranger is damaged while getting it. If caught out they will lie and cheat and just blame something or someone else... the CCP is a perfect example of never taking any responsibility for anything bad, thats always anothers fault..Those in charge now are the same selfish morons who killed everyone with brains and wisdom in the 60, 70s & 80s. 

 

The bottom line is Chinese in general just dont care about consequences and certainly not strangers, they are told the world is beneath them , they have no religion, they have no morals and tbh have no history but what they are told it is.. most of which is also lies ...

 

China cannot be trusted nor excuses believed, it is a bully without any parent and like a child with a blowtorch the world is going to burn if it dosnt wake the heck up and discipline said child before it gets hold of a flamethrower. 

Edited March 30, 2020 by englishoak

[soalbundy]

15 hours ago, allanos said:

I was told recently that babies born during the pandemic will in future be called "Coronials"!

It will be so. Corona isn't going to end, it will be like a virulent influenza, here once a year to say 'Hi'. At first, now, the weak and vulnerable will be culled, next year, after a certain amount of herd immunity has been achieved, there will be less fatalities from covid-19 just as there are now less fatalities from influenza than before but fatalities from both will still occur, the year after there will be less and so on, we will learn to live with it. One thing is certain, the next round of covid-19 wont be met with a lockdown, the global economy wouldn't survive it. I think we can forget a vaccine against it, there isn't even currently a vaccine against influenza or the common cold although they have tried for decades to make one, sure you can get flu shots from last years epidemic which provides some protection but it isn't a vaccine per se. It was a good practice for a really dangerous pandemic in the future that is bound to happen, I rather think that nature is sick and tired of us all. 

[bkk6060]

7 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

sure you can get flu shots from last years epidemic which provides some protection but it isn't a vaccine per se.

False.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm

[4MyEgo]

8 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

I think China are not out to bring down anyone. They simply get their heads down and work to securing their own future, be that in China or anywhere else in the world. Sound familiar? I think the countries in the west that embrace that and find a way to work with China will prosper the same as China continues to do, simple as that. 

I look at China like this to put it in simple terms, when a snake is doing its own thing, leave it alone, threaten it, and look out for that bite, how venomous that bite is, will depend on the bite.

[Sharp]

Worth a read

 

https://twitter.com/jeffreyatucker/status/1244659161088081920?s=20

[Skallywag]

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

I think we can forget a vaccine against it, there isn't even currently a vaccine against influenza or the common cold although they have tried for decades to make one

Medical industry's motto:  "A patient cured is a customer lost"

[FarFlungFalang]

So I'm left wondering after reading the headline and the article.

 

How the Pandemic Will End

[Blue Muton]

22 hours ago, Sharp said:

https://www.wnd.com/2020/03/dr-fauci-concedes-coronavirus-death-rate-like-bad-flu/

Great source - for fake news.

 

"WorldNetDaily is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right as well as politically conservative. The website is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories."

[Sharp]

3 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

Great source - for fake news.

 

"WorldNetDaily is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right as well as politically conservative. The website is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories."

And this

 

 

[Blue Muton]

17 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the US front man for managing the "pandemic," has just written an article that ought to be titled: I WAS WRONG AND THIS IS MY CONFESSION.

 

Writing in the New England Journal of Medicine, March 26, under the heading "Covid-19 - Navigating the Uncharted", Fauci states: "If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. (my itals).

 

"This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968). . . "

In case there is any doubt, those "pandemic influenza seasons" of 1957 and 1968 did NOT result in any lockdowns.  People went outdoors.  They mingled.  They sat in stadiums.  They went to their jobs. 

 

Which begs an obvious question. . . 

 

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/03/29/turn-the-economy-back-on-even-fauci-is-confessing/

 

Snap! On the advice of its health experts, the UK Government officially downgraded the threat of the virus eleven days ago, stating on the Public Health UK website it was "no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease".

 

The surprise good news was studiously ignored by UK mainstream media, and a week later the British government's draconian "lockdown" Bill sailed through Parliament.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82qsclco1Oo

 

Here's a link to Public Health England, I can't find any trace of your claim about them downgrading the threat of this disease. I'm not calling you a liar but for clarification can you link to where this statement originates on their website or any UK government website please?

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/public-health-england

 

 

[mauGR1]

2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

I rather think that nature is sick and tired of us all. 

Yep, i have had that same impression since a few years ago ????

[Blue Muton]

9 minutes ago, Sharp said:

And this

 

 

Another loonytunes source, great.

 

Watts Up With That? is a blog promoting climate change denial that was created by Anthony Watts in 2006. The blog predominantly discusses climate issues with a focus on anthropogenic climate change, generally accommodating beliefs that are in opposition to the scientific consensus on climate change. 

 

[meechai]

18 hours ago, allanos said:

I was told recently that babies born during the pandemic will in future be called "Coronials"!

Yes but once they reach teen years they will be called Quaranteens ????

Edited March 31, 2020 by meechai

[meechai]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

As they still continue to sell and eat bats and probably will be the initiators of the next pandemic.

 

If we accept that the virus did in fact come from eating this or that animal ????