Ivermectin: Yes, No or Maybe

[danferguson]

<<<In real world tests it has shown to be almost as affective if not equivilent to any vaccine.>>>

 

Please post links to any large scale randomised control trials that show this result.

 

[DJBenz]

10 hours ago, deadbeat said:

In real world tests it has shown to be almost as affective if not equivilent to any vaccine.

Firstly, no it hasn't. Secondly, it's touted as a treatment, not a prevention so it can't be equivalent to a vaccine. Thirdly, there's already a massive thread on the drug and the lack of compelling evidence for its use here: 

 

[Taboo2]

The arrogance of humans knows no bounds......

 

I keep saying that this virus is looking for Dry Wood (unvaccinated people who have no defense).  Well, once you figure that out and learn how to fight the virus with some critical thinking,  then there might be some hope until the Vaccine arrives in full.

 

May I suggest using the drug that starts with an "I" and end with "tin".  Every country who has experimented with I............tin are doing just fine.

 

 

[wensiensheng]

1 minute ago, Taboo2 said:

The arrogance of humans knows no bounds......

 

I keep saying that this virus is looking for Dry Wood (unvaccinated people who have no defense).  Well, once you figure that out and learn how to fight the virus with some critical thinking,  then there might be some hope until the Vaccine arrives in full.

 

May I suggest using the drug that starts with an "I" and end with "tin".  Every country who has experimented with I............tin are doing just fine.

 

 

Which countries are those?

[Taboo2]

Just now, wensiensheng said:

Which countries are those?

Czech, Belize, India.....especially India, notice how they are not front page news anymore.

[Taboo2]

4 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Which countries are those?

https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/opinion/51386/a-case-in-favor-of-ivermectin

[DJBenz]

On 7/18/2021 at 4:55 AM, Taboo2 said:

https://www.laurinburgexchange.com/opinion/51386/a-case-in-favor-of-ivermectin

By Dr Ralph Carter, an orthopedic surgeon. 

 

Probably better to leave this stuff to virologists.

[ArcticFox]

It's being used in at least 33 countries (Indonesia just jumped on board).  There is a large number of Observational Studies coming out of the countries where it is being used.  All the studies I've read show a significant increase in O2 saturation within 24 hours of administration.
This is immensely important in those countries where O2 is scarce and ventilators, hospitals, and medical treatment in general is not available to large segment of very poor nations.  It's incredibly cheap and available and I'm sure that the pharmaceutical companies are going to use all the power they can muster via government, media, and their own "experts" in an attempt to kill it's use.  But it won't work.  Too many impoverished nations have not other options, so they use it and it works.  So the Observational Studies as well as the frontline doctors conducting the studies become the objects of demonization. 
There have been calls that there needs to be double-blind placebo studies - but honestly - that's unethical.  You divide seriously ill patients how have critical oxygen saturation levels into groups and give one group a placebo?  The Observational Studies which are showing similar results across different countries and demographics in my opinion should be enough.
We keep hearing that regardless of side effect the benefits of the vaccines outweigh the risks.
Well, I'd say the same applies here.  The Observational Studies and anecdotal evidence of this drug with very limited side effects benefits outweigh the risks.
If you can rationalize using unlicensed vaccines under emergency authorization while the vaccines are still under live-trials, then you can also use Ivermectin under emergency authorization while concurrently studying it's effects as both a treatment and prophylaxis. 
People should be given the choice.  It's laughable that Thai authorities can recommend Traditional Thai Medicine and authorize it's use but deny the use of a deworming medicine with that can increase the blood O2 saturation in seriously ill patients with SARS-coV-2.  That's almost humorous in a pitifully sad sort of way. 

[ArcticFox]

On 12/6/2020 at 8:10 PM, Time to grow said:

 

Thanks for getting back to me. Not sure if you are aware but there have recently been a whole host of studies published on the effectiveness of Ivermectin as a Covid prophylactic and for treatment. All of the studies were positive and many of the studies were extremely promising.

Given my skepticism over the health and safety of mRNA vaccines, Ivermectin appears to be a good alternative. I have been able to find it on line but at very inflated prices.

Ivermectin itself is dirt cheap.  Pennies per tablet.  But the drug companies jack the prices up.  Theses are not nice people. 
Give ya an example.  The price of a dose of a common deworming medicine, albendazole, cost 30 THB at most Thai pharmacies or about $1 USD.  The price in the United States is anywhere from $200 to $800 per 400mg dose.
As far as I'm concerned most pharmaceutical companies are borderline criminal enterprises who make much of their money through regulatory capture, i.e., government regulators and legislators (or MP) are essentially bought off (legal bribes called "campaign contributions" and inside trading information).  And this entire Covid fiasco is bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars in revenues and profits for the entire industry.  And they have the power to kill studies on alternative treatments that have the possibility of hindering their market share and profits via regulatory capture. 
 

[ArcticFox]

21 minutes ago, ArcticFox said:

It's being used in at least 33 countries (Indonesia just jumped on board).  There is a large number of Observational Studies coming out of the countries where it is being used.  All the studies I've read show a significant increase in O2 saturation within 24 hours of administration.
This is immensely important in those countries where O2 is scarce and ventilators, hospitals, and medical treatment in general is not available to large segment of very poor nations.  It's incredibly cheap and available and I'm sure that the pharmaceutical companies are going to use all the power they can muster via government, media, and their own "experts" in an attempt to kill it's use.  But it won't work.  Too many impoverished nations have not other options, so they use it and it works.  So the Observational Studies as well as the frontline doctors conducting the studies become the objects of demonization. 
There have been calls that there needs to be double-blind placebo studies - but honestly - that's unethical.  You divide seriously ill patients how have critical oxygen saturation levels into groups and give one group a placebo?  The Observational Studies which are showing similar results across different countries and demographics in my opinion should be enough.
We keep hearing that regardless of side effect the benefits of the vaccines outweigh the risks.
Well, I'd say the same applies here.  The Observational Studies and anecdotal evidence of this drug with very limited side effects benefits outweigh the risks.
If you can rationalize using unlicensed vaccines under emergency authorization while the vaccines are still under live-trials, then you can also use Ivermectin under emergency authorization while concurrently studying it's effects as both a treatment and prophylaxis. 
People should be given the choice.  It's laughable that Thai authorities can recommend Traditional Thai Medicine and authorize it's use but deny the use of a deworming medicine with that can increase the blood O2 saturation in seriously ill patients with SARS-coV-2.  That's almost humorous in a pitifully sad sort of way. 

The MOH is onboard with giving Covid patients herbal Fatalaijone (Andrographis Paniculata). 
“Since December 2020, we have given Fah Talai Jone to 304 Covid-19 patients with non-severe symptoms. Most of the patients responded to the herb immediately and their condition actually improved in five days. The medication also did not have any adverse effects." - Director-general Dr Amporn Benjaponpitak, Department of Thai Traditional and Alternative Medicine

These are observational studies just like the studies being conducted with Ivermectin in numerous countries globally.

So Fatalaijone can be used because Thai observational studies show improvement of Covid patients, but Ivermectin can not be used because there are only observational studies that show significant improvement in blood O2 saturation levels after administration of Ivermectin at 2 microgram/kg of body weight.  You gotta be kidding me.
Well, there aren't any double-blind, placebo publish peer-reviewed studies on Fatalaijone either - and it's being used with the MOH blessing.

I'm just pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of the system.

[kickstart]

I use ivermectin as a worm injection on cattle , and it will treat cattle with small warts, hope it is not the same drug

 

This was on the BBC website the results are inconclusive  they were sighting Indonesia ,with the problems they are having they will believe in anything, but saying that even the UK has looked in to it .

[ArcticFox]

On 7/18/2021 at 10:51 AM, wensiensheng said:

Which countries are those?

My 8 year old granddaughter could do that search online.
That data is in wide circulation. 
Try "Google<dot>com or DuckDuckGo<dot>com.  You have done internet searches before.  But if you haven't, start here:

 

[internationalism]

41 minutes ago, kickstart said:

I use ivermectin as a worm injection on cattle , and it will treat cattle with small warts, hope it is not the same drug

 

This was on the BBC website the results are inconclusive  they were sighting Indonesia ,with the problems they are having they will believe in anything, but saying that even the UK has looked in to it .

it's an exactly same medicine - as name indicates.

Many medicines for human have veterinary use.

[wensiensheng]

42 minutes ago, ArcticFox said:

My 8 year old granddaughter could do that search online.
That data is in wide circulation. 
Try "Google<dot>com or DuckDuckGo<dot>com.  You have done internet searches before.  But if you haven't, start here:

 

Yep. It’s all BS though isn’t it. Even your 8 year old grand daughter knows that.

[DJBenz]

Everyone out here arguing for Ivermectin use because it's cheap, when doctors have been successfully using dexamethasone to treat COVID which comes in at about 0.5GBP per dose. Where's big pharma in all this? Surely they should be suppressing its use too? 

 

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-endorses-use-dexamethasone-covid-19-patients-oxygen-mechanical-ventilation

[Sheryl]

A post with conspiracy theory nonsense has been removed.

 

There is no conspiracy trying to suppress ivermectin, and it has not been  proven to be effective in studies of appropriate size and scientific rigor.

 

There is a large scale, random controlled trial now underway that will determine whether or not it is of value.

 

In the meantime, people need to cool it.

[Harry Om]

Best case scenario, Ivermectin may work as a prophylactic, and may help as a treatment.

 

Worse case scenario (if taken at the suggested dose) it does nothing, but will get rid of your worms.

 

As for studies (if you search on pubmed), most studies that show no effect used a dosage or time frame less than suggested, but most studies that show an effect have confounding factors.

 

Lots of potential upside with Ivermectin for very little downside if common sense is used.

 

Taking Ivermectin and getting a vaccine are not mutually exclusive.