Are you really ready for two years of this?

[rumak]

Just now, owl sees all said:

Andrew Kaufman is a well known and respected scientist. David Icke, got off to a tricky start, especially with that Wogan interview, but is now the leading truth-seeker. His books have sold millions and his talks attract thousands.

 

I don't agree with everything he says. In fact I don't connect with his alien theory at all*. But, he is talking about seeing things in different visual recognition to our own.

 

* I believe that about 80 thousand years ago we were visited by a far greater, in intelligence terms, than creatures then on the earth. They developed the human, basically as a food source; that's why we have so much in common with the humble pig. These aliens took the DNA from monkeys and chopped them about a bit to develop early man. One day they will come back to their 'larder' (hope we can make friends).

 

This is not just my research, but study by a world group seeking the truth, of which David is just one person.

 

 

have you been hanging out with Nyezhov ?    watch out for the "special" pizza

[englishoak]

Having been all over this since Jan and when it began in China now the world is suddenly panicking and shutting down like Wuhan did ive come to the following conclusive options, none of which are btw good in any way.

 

1) this outbreak is NOT only hugely contagious but far more deadly than is being admitted, we are talking biblical if these measures arnt taken and for years to come. 

 

2) This outbreak has multiple strains, one or two more deadly than others. TPTB are desperately trying to stop all hell breaking loose as strains spread and mutate more. Aaian the seriousness and deathrate longterm will be biblical.

 

3) We are at the beginnings of a biowar, all countries are preparing like a war is coming and mass casualties are expected... not just a virus outbreak. WW3 has begun and the masses are yet to be told or realise all the signs are there. Outcome uncertain.  

 

4) All global economies are being totally trashed but for a few thousand deaths and even 5% global death rate god knows how many more will starve and civil unrest/revolutions and wars will very likely break out, money no longer matters in the scale of things... the global change to the new bosses taking everything over has begun... Uncertain outcome. 

 

5) An extinction Level Event is expected and locking down the entire globe is necessary so the Govs, even the small and ISIS and terror groups have ceased all hostilities... why  ? because it no longer matters other than being human and surviving .. people are being told to stay home be with their family, in the ned of days that is the best place to be. and the govs can pick up the pieces later knowing where and who the casualties are. Biblical

 

6) This is all a managed scam and over reaction, the MSM are nuts and its all a panic over nothing, including shareholders banks etc and a plan to bankrupt all med or small business and take it all over ushering in global socialism.... population decimation and reduction Agenda 21 s now in effect. 

 

7) First contact is about to happen, either quantum/ dimensional or outer space they will be far more advanced and the intel prognosis is very bad.  

 

I am a logical realist but after months of investigation and closely following as many developments as possible i cannot ignore this is so unprecedented only something of the most scariest scenarios would and could move nations and all elite to do such moves as they have and any of the above could be true.. one thing its not is a bad flu and a few over reactive politicians.

 

 

[UbonThani]

Virus not real?

So doctors are all liars

Great theory

[ivor bigun]

18 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

How long will the western governments be able to pay pensions if there are no taxes paid to the governments ?

Guaranteed monthly incomes may be not that certain in the future.

you read my mind.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

you read my mind.

LOL, nah, don't need to be a magician to expect the worst.

[rumak]

3 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Having been all over this since Jan and when it began in China now the world is suddenly panicking and shutting down like Wuhan did ive come to the following conclusive options, none of which are btw good in any way.

 

1) this outbreak is NOT only hugely contagious but far more deadly than is being admitted, we are talking biblical if these measures arnt taken and for years to come. 

 

2) This outbreak has multiple strains, one or two more deadly than others. TPTB are desperately trying to stop all hell breaking loose as strains spread and mutate more. Aaian the seriousness and deathrate longterm will be biblical.

 

3) We are at the beginnings of a biowar, all countries are preparing like a war is coming and mass casualties are expected... not just a virus outbreak. WW3 has begun and the masses are yet to be told or realise all the signs are there. Outcome uncertain.  

 

4) All global economies are being totally trashed but for a few thousand deaths and even 5% global death rate god knows how many more will starve and civil unrest/revolutions and wars will very likely break out, money no longer matters in the scale of things... the global change to the new bosses taking everything over has begun... Uncertain outcome. 

 

5) An extinction Level Event is expected and locking down the entire globe is necessary so the Govs, even the small and ISIS and terror groups have ceased all hostilities... why  ? because it no longer matters other than being human and surviving .. people are being told to stay home be with their family, in the ned of days that is the best place to be. and the govs can pick up the pieces later knowing where and who the casualties are. Biblical

 

6) This is all a managed scam and over reaction, the MSM are nuts and its all a panic over nothing, including shareholders banks etc and a plan to bankrupt all med or small business and take it all over ushering in global socialism.... population decimation and reduction Agenda 21 s now in effect. 

 

7) First contact is about to happen, either quantum/ dimensional or outer space they will be far more advanced and the intel prognosis is very bad.  

 

I am a logical realist but after months of investigation and closely following as many developments as possible i cannot ignore this is so unprecedented only something of the most scariest scenarios would and could move nations and all elite to do such moves as they have and any of the above could be true.. one thing its not is a bad flu and a few over reactive politicians.

 

 

I'm sure you are going to get plenty of feedback ( from all sides)  by the TV faithful.

The scenarios you list are not that far fetched  IMO.   We sheep are just being herded

back to our pens by the masters.  As I asked before,  what really is going on ?

 

All I , and others here, can do is wait and see.  Does anyone disagree with that ?  I don't like being in that position,  but we are under the rule of specific groups that hold the power.

Maybe they know what is really going on.   If it is "just a virus" that kills a small percent of

people..... then the steps being taken,  or maybe IMPLEMENTED is a better word,  sure seem

to be crazy and/or  not effective .   Only thing for sure is that major disruptions to peoples quality of life are happening.     

 

If this all passes in a few months,  then i hope to be corrected

[englishoak]

6 minutes ago, rumak said:

I'm sure you are going to get plenty of feedback ( from all sides)  by the TV faithful.

The scenarios you list are not that far fetched  IMO.   We sheep are just being herded

back to our pens by the masters.  As I asked before,  what really is going on ?

 

All I , and others here, can do is wait and see.  Does anyone disagree with that ?  I don't like being in that position,  but we are under the rule of specific groups that hold the power.

Maybe they know what is really going on.   If it is "just a virus" that kills a small percent of

people..... then the steps being taken,  or maybe IMPLEMENTED is a better word,  sure seem

to be crazy and/or  not effective .   Only thing for sure is that major disruptions to peoples quality of life are happening.     

 

If this all passes in a few months,  then i hope to be corrected

 

Mate I hope I am totally wrong on ALL counts.. I really do. 

[rumak]

Just now, englishoak said:

 

Mate I hope I am totally wrong on ALL counts.. I really do. 

+1   !

[spidermike007]

Personally, I think this thing will be over in a month or two here. Certainly not in the US or Europe. But we have had less than 100 cases a day for the past two days, only 2100 to date, and only 20 deaths. This is literally a small pimple on the cheek of a teenager here in Thailand. I believe it is due to the heat. The heat appears to decimate this virus. With over a million Chinese running around Thailand in December and January, if this thing were going to blow up here, as many fear, it would have happened long ago. Calm down. Take a deep breath. We are in one of the safest places on earth, right now. 

 

Of course, the recovery from this inane economic shutdown could take far longer than that. It could take years, the tourism industry emerge as a pale shadow of it's former self, never to return to the previous levels. Which is a good thing for many of us, but a sad thing for millions of Thai families, and of course a huge humiliation for the army and the TAT, which is also a good thing. We will see a huge economic contraction, no doubt, and high unemployment numbers. How long it will take to recover from that is anyone's guess, but I would say at least a year, maybe more. 

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Personally, I think this thing will be over in a month or two here. Certainly not in the US or Europe. But we have had less than 100 cases a day for the past two days, only 2100 to date, and only 20 deaths. This is literally a small pimple on the cheek of a teenager here in Thailand. I believe it is due to the heat. The heat appears to decimate this virus. With over a million Chinese running around Thailand in December and January, if this thing were going to blow up here, as many fear, it would have happened long ago. Calm down. Take a deep breath. We are in one of the safest places on earth, right now. 

 

Of course, the recovery from this inane economic shutdown could take far longer than that. It could take years, the tourism industry emerge as a pale shadow of it's former self, never to return to the previous levels. Which is a good thing for many of us, but a sad thing for millions of Thai families, and of course a huge humiliation for the army and the TAT, which is also a good thing. We will see a huge economic contraction, no doubt, and high unemployment numbers. How long it will take to recover from that is anyone's guess, but I would say at least a year, maybe more. 

 

Ask yourself this, do you think that ALL the global powers, ALL the think tanks they have, ALL the cost to these massive economies and personal fortunes, real risk of civil unrest etc for years to come would all be taken is climate was a factor ? these are not stupid people at the top and their advisory groups... when you step back and really look at the global cost financially, socially, and stability wise it is highly unlikely its heat affected and its highly unlikely  whatever it is will be over in a few months.

 

Ive wrestled with this for a long time, none of it makes sense unless its a huge problem or a huge goal... and its a global agreement whatever it is, everyone is on board from China to Russia to the US to India to Japan, Europe, S America, Africa.. thats a lot of different experts and highly informed secret services in advisory agreement dont you think ? 

[Brunolem]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

Having been all over this since Jan and when it began in China now the world is suddenly panicking and shutting down like Wuhan did ive come to the following conclusive options, none of which are btw good in any way.

 

1) this outbreak is NOT only hugely contagious but far more deadly than is being admitted, we are talking biblical if these measures arnt taken and for years to come. 

 

2) This outbreak has multiple strains, one or two more deadly than others. TPTB are desperately trying to stop all hell breaking loose as strains spread and mutate more. Aaian the seriousness and deathrate longterm will be biblical.

 

3) We are at the beginnings of a biowar, all countries are preparing like a war is coming and mass casualties are expected... not just a virus outbreak. WW3 has begun and the masses are yet to be told or realise all the signs are there. Outcome uncertain.  

 

4) All global economies are being totally trashed but for a few thousand deaths and even 5% global death rate god knows how many more will starve and civil unrest/revolutions and wars will very likely break out, money no longer matters in the scale of things... the global change to the new bosses taking everything over has begun... Uncertain outcome. 

 

5) An extinction Level Event is expected and locking down the entire globe is necessary so the Govs, even the small and ISIS and terror groups have ceased all hostilities... why  ? because it no longer matters other than being human and surviving .. people are being told to stay home be with their family, in the ned of days that is the best place to be. and the govs can pick up the pieces later knowing where and who the casualties are. Biblical

 

6) This is all a managed scam and over reaction, the MSM are nuts and its all a panic over nothing, including shareholders banks etc and a plan to bankrupt all med or small business and take it all over ushering in global socialism.... population decimation and reduction Agenda 21 s now in effect. 

 

7) First contact is about to happen, either quantum/ dimensional or outer space they will be far more advanced and the intel prognosis is very bad.  

 

I am a logical realist but after months of investigation and closely following as many developments as possible i cannot ignore this is so unprecedented only something of the most scariest scenarios would and could move nations and all elite to do such moves as they have and any of the above could be true.. one thing its not is a bad flu and a few over reactive politicians.

 

 

And here I thought that L. Ron Hubbard was gone...

[WhereIsMyRyeBread]

3 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Man,  it is amazing how quickly big brother could just turn a switch........... and BAM  ..........

all semblance of personal freedom is shut down.

Not amazing to me is how easily the majority of the populace will follow what the "experts"

tell them to do.   Funny that the other health lifestyles that experts warn against,  like smoking, eating junk food diets,  the need to stay fit, are not heeded.  

What is really going on here ???

I recommend first watch an interview with Aaron Russo on youtube and then a doco on youtbe called Moneymasters. 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by WhereIsMyRyeBread

[englishoak]

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

And here I thought that L. Ron Hubbard was gone...

 

Fair enough.... and your theory or answer is ?

[WhereIsMyRyeBread]

2 minutes ago, englishoak said:

answer

nwo

[Sambotte]

Point is it does not makes sense...

 

A goal, plan... totalitarism test (with another "war on this"), microbiological real war (or test), or whatever, like this on the whole earth scale, seems unlikely. 

 

But to stop the world and life because of a virus with the numbers we know, does not make sense either.

 

Looks like there is something we just don't know. Either way.

Or, and it's possible, it's just general incompetence. Started with not being prepared, when it was known for 10 years or more a pandemy would erupt.

[Brunolem]

19 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

How long will the western governments be able to pay pensions if there are no taxes paid to the governments ?

Guaranteed monthly incomes may be not that certain in the future.

Right!

 

Now they are throwing trillions, which they don't have, to keep the populace more or less sedated, and Wall Street happy.

 

But once things get more quiet, this same populace is going to receive the bill.

 

The number one financial problem in the West is how to pay the retirement pensions, that is, promises that can't be kept.

 

And suddenly, a once in a century opportunity presents itself: a pandemic!

 

After all these efforts made by the governments to save the populace, it will be only fair to ask some sacrifices in return...a little cut here, a little cut there...temporary of course...

[Sambotte]

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

Now they are throwing trillions, which they don't have, to keep the populace more or less sedated, and Wall Street happy.

Actually central banks PRINT money as they want. It's printed, out of nothing, not a big problem for the printers ????

Value of "printed money" is another story.

Nothing new here.

[Brunolem]

40 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Personally, I think this thing will be over in a month or two here. Certainly not in the US or Europe. But we have had less than 100 cases a day for the past two days, only 2100 to date, and only 20 deaths. This is literally a small pimple on the cheek of a teenager here in Thailand. I believe it is due to the heat. The heat appears to decimate this virus. With over a million Chinese running around Thailand in December and January, if this thing were going to blow up here, as many fear, it would have happened long ago. Calm down. Take a deep breath. We are in one of the safest places on earth, right now. 

 

Of course, the recovery from this inane economic shutdown could take far longer than that. It could take years, the tourism industry emerge as a pale shadow of it's former self, never to return to the previous levels. Which is a good thing for many of us, but a sad thing for millions of Thai families, and of course a huge humiliation for the army and the TAT, which is also a good thing. We will see a huge economic contraction, no doubt, and high unemployment numbers. How long it will take to recover from that is anyone's guess, but I would say at least a year, maybe more. 

I agree with all that.

As I said previously, I think that Thailand is just waiting, for its neighbors, and especially for its big brothers up North (China, Japan, Korea).

Thailand has little interest to reopen alone, and would appear reckless in doing so.

But when international business, at least in Asia, can restart, Thailand will jump on the bandwagon...

[englishoak]

4 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Right!

 

Now they are throwing trillions, which they don't have, to keep the populace more or less sedated, and Wall Street happy.

 

But once things get more quiet, this same populace is going to receive the bill.

 

The number one financial problem in the West is how to pay the retirement pensions, that is, promises that can't be kept.

 

And suddenly, a once in a century opportunity presents itself: a pandemic!

 

After all these efforts made by the governments to save the populace, it will be only fair to ask some sacrifices in return...a little cut here, a little cut there...temporary of course...

 

So your going with my Rons option 6 then... 

[Brunolem]

10 minutes ago, Sambotte said:

Actually central banks PRINT money as they want. It's printed, out of nothing, not a big problem for the printers ????

Value of "printed money" is another story.

Nothing new here.

Only the US Fed can really do this without immediate negative consequences.

 

And it is probably reaching its limits these days...we will see soon enough...

[Brunolem]

25 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Fair enough.... and your theory or answer is ?

I can agree with your point #6

[Sambotte]

16 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Only the US Fed can really do this without immediate negative consequences.

 

And it is probably reaching its limits these days...we will see soon enough...

USD being the reference, well... 

And they play no-limit (hold them ????)

But that's another story, nothing new.

 

The virus thing is way more brutal.

Question being : what next ? War on moskitos so you must understand the entire world has to shut down ?...

Does not makes sense. Would be curious to have more real datas in a few months or years, if available. 

And i f..g hope life and freedom (including business of course) will be back before years ! Before too many months. Well imo the sooner the better.

[WhereIsMyRyeBread]

America owes more money than exists.

The more money that exists , the more money it owes.

 

Why don't people actually read up on how money is created. 

 

It's not about 'the printing press'  'thin air'

How is it created ?

Edited April 5, 2020 by WhereIsMyRyeBread

[Throatwobbler]

6 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Intelligent people dont see the world in black and white. They also don't misquote people.

 

They take measured responses and not panic.

Your response just seems to be screw those who die. Their lives weren’t worth much anyway. 

[Throatwobbler]

From reading this thread it is clear that there are many people who really do not care or do not grasp the reality of what is happening. Examples like quoting the numbers of people who die from other things each year. Well let Darwin do his work on those people and let’s hope that their selfish behaviour does not cause the deaths of innocent people.

[Brunolem]

23 minutes ago, WhereIsMyRyeBread said:

America owes more money than exists.

The more money that exists , the more money it owes.

 

Why don't people actually read up on how money is created. 

 

It's not about 'the printing press'  'thin air'

How is it created ?

Money is created by credit. 

 

The counterpart of money is debt! 

[Throatwobbler]

5 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Italy said 97% deaths linked to underlying issues.

 

So if 10,000 died 9,700 would have died anyway.

 

So if 1m die worldwide that is 970,000 people who would have died anyway.

 

So 30,000 real deaths.

 

Compares to road toll 1.25m.

 

It seems like economic madness over a minor killer.

Yes they had underlying health issues that does not mean they were at deaths door and were going to die that week. Many of the people with underlying health issue had many years let to live. You can live decades with underlying health issues such as diabetes.

   Again your response seems to be based on the fact that you think the ones who died were just about to die anyway so their lives are worthless.

[Brunolem]

3 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

From reading this thread it is clear that there are many people who really do not care or do not grasp the reality of what is happening. Examples like quoting the numbers of people who die from other things each year. Well let Darwin do his work on those people and let’s hope that their selfish behaviour does not cause the deaths of innocent people.

Darwin doesn't do any work... so I imagine you mean "the survival of the fittest" which is exactly what this virus is about... culling the herd. 

 

And save for those who die in prison, we can assume that all the others are innocent, never mind their cause of death... 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

 

Ask yourself this, do you think that ALL the global powers, ALL the think tanks they have, ALL the cost to these massive economies and personal fortunes, real risk of civil unrest etc for years to come would all be taken is climate was a factor ? these are not stupid people at the top and their advisory groups... when you step back and really look at the global cost financially, socially, and stability wise it is highly unlikely its heat affected and its highly unlikely  whatever it is will be over in a few months.

 

Ive wrestled with this for a long time, none of it makes sense unless its a huge problem or a huge goal... and its a global agreement whatever it is, everyone is on board from China to Russia to the US to India to Japan, Europe, S America, Africa.. thats a lot of different experts and highly informed secret services in advisory agreement dont you think ? 

There may be some sort of converted effort going on. Why knows?

 

But I do believe the one weakness this virus has is heat. The only tropical nation on earth with a significant number of cases is Brazil. Next Malaysia. 4000 cases. Merely a pimple. India has a few thousand despite an enormous population. Same here. Heat kills!

[WhereIsMyRyeBread]

17 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Money is created by credit. 

 

The counterpart of money is debt! 

The Treasury issues a request to the Federal Reserve that controls the money supply to issue money.
The Federal reserve grants the requests and lends the money back to the US Government at an interest.

it's a scam.  Ofcourse the FED ought not to charge interest on the money created on request by the Government.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by WhereIsMyRyeBread