Are you really ready for two years of this?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, UbonThani said:

Good for them. Not everyone is being conned into being sheep.

If I were younger I'd join them, but essentially my life is no different now than it was before, except that when I go to the supermarket now I can catch a disease and die.

However, given that my days left in this life are not too many, makes little difference when I die. If not Corona it will likely be heart attack, and that is more likely as I get less physical exercise now than I did before. So, I may die of a heart attack because of Corona but not by Corona.

[IvorLott]

What is the point of this speculative post but to produce more speculation and misinformation in these uncertain times? 

[sungod]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Soooooo, one locks down when at home with family, but one person goes to supermarket and catches it there, comes back to house and whole family catches it.

SO, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF BEING IN LOCKDOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE?????????????????

Good one!!! The probability of 1 person catching it in 1 supermarket are less than 5 people from the same family going to 5 different places and mixing with 5 different groups of people.

 

Simple math really ????

[Ireland32]

Stanford University says 5 month isolated 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Supermarket higher risk than tennis courts!!!!lets ban tennis 555 silly stuff.

 

 

 

It's exercise so not silly. I had a younger than I friend that died because he didn't get enough physical exercise ( he wasn't obese ).

I used to go out to a farm and do a lot of physical work, like shovelling dirt, but now the most I do is walk to the supermarket.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, IvorLott said:

What is the point of this speculative post but to produce more speculation and misinformation in these uncertain times? 

If you think it's ok to follow sheepishly the official narrative, rather than discuss it, then go for it .

[richard_smith237]

 

4 minutes ago, CygnusX1 said:

I’m not arguing against all of the restrictions, just the more unreasonable ones. For instance, I’m strictly forbidden (6 months jail) to go for a drive - get in my car, drive for an hour, and only leave the car when I get home. Can anyone explain the mechanism by which I could transmit the virus while ensconced in my car? Teleportation? Uri Geller style paranormal phenomenon?

 

This is the problem. Everyone is thinking about themselves and forgetting they are not the only people in the world.

 

You can’t transmit the virus from inside your car. But, what if everyone else wants to go for a ride in their car, why should you be allowed to and them not? then who has to fill up with petrol, who may decide they are tried and need to stop off for a coffee, go to the public restroom, block up the roads for essential services (were at a time of pandemic). 

 

Many of the measures and bans in place don’t make sense on the individual level, but make a lot of level when you have 10’s and even 100’s of thousands of selfish people continuing to demand their freedoms. And for what? what cost? 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Ireland32 said:

Stanford University says 5 month isolated 

If it's falling apart after 1 week, I hate to think of how bad it would be after 5 months. They need to get their faces out of their computer screen and realise they are dealing with actual living people, not a computer model.

[VBF]

13 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Think. Adults use their brain to choose. Just like drinking or smoking or eating.

 

Adults can asses the risk of flying or scuba or sky diving or tennis.

 

Its not rocket science.

I repeat what I said earlier. If I CHOOSE to Scuba dive (I have) or smoke, or eat badly it's MY CHOICE.

Catching a virus is NOT my choice  -I cannot fathom why you cannot see the difference.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

3 minutes ago, IvorLott said:

What is the point of this speculative post but to produce more speculation and misinformation in these uncertain times? 

If you think it's ok to follow sheepishly the official narrative, rather than discuss it, then go for it .

 

Agreed. The very nature of forum is to discussion things, its interesting to see how peoples opinions differ. If someone wishes not to discuss or not to read speculation and various opinions from various sources of information (or misinformation) then I’d ask what they are doing here in the first place - go read the news. 

 

It's also interesting to see how so resistant to anything official some people are they’ll resist anything official now matter how sensible. 

 

The threads on this subject have been particularly interesting when they highlight just how selfish some people are, how careless of others they are and in a number of cases how galactically ignorant and stupid some people are.

[VBF]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

This is the problem. Everyone is thinking about themselves and forgetting they are not the only people in the world.

 

You can’t transmit the virus from inside your car. But, what if everyone else wants to go for a ride in their car, why should you be allowed to and them not? then who has to fill up with petrol, who may decide they are tried and need to stop off for a coffee, go to the public restroom, block up the roads for essential services (were at a time of pandemic). 

 

Many of the measures and bans in place don’t make sense on the individual level, but make a lot of level when you have 10’s and even 100’s of thousands of selfish people continuing to demand their freedoms. And for what? what cost? 

Agree!  And another point is that IF you have an accident or the car breaks down, in the normal course of events it's probably a minor inconvenience.

Currently, you may take an ambulance or police away from something more important, or, in the case of breaking down, a recovery person may have to be exposed to you, in case you are a carrier.,

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Soooooo, one locks down when at home with family, but one person goes to supermarket and catches it there, comes back to house and whole family catches it.

SO, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF BEING IN LOCKDOWN IN THE FIRST PLACE?????????????????

Supermarket higher risk than tennis courts!!!!lets ban tennis 555 silly stuff.

Because tennis is a necessity right, it feeds the family, it is essential... Yes, silly stuff indeed.

[CygnusX1]

3 minutes ago, VBF said:

Catching a virus is NOT my choice  -I cannot fathom why you cannot see the difference.

But you do have a choice, you have the option of total self isolation if you wish.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

This is the problem. Everyone is thinking about themselves and forgetting they are not the only people in the world.

 

You can’t transmit the virus from inside your car. But, what if everyone else wants to go for a ride in their car, why should you be allowed to and them not? then who has to fill up with petrol, who may decide they are tried and need to stop off for a coffee, go to the public restroom, block up the roads for essential services (were at a time of pandemic). 

 

Many of the measures and bans in place don’t make sense on the individual level, but make a lot of level when you have 10’s and even 100’s of thousands of selfish people continuing to demand their freedoms. And for what? what cost? 

So, why can't people that work alone not do their job? Why can't a man cut the grass on a golf course green when he'll be all alone? Without being cut the greens will be ruined. Many similar jobs that involve no risk to others.

 

BTW, in NZ public restrooms are closed, so truck drivers have to poo on the side of the road- that's a health risk. No coffee shops open, have to fill car yourself and give money through the night window- shop closed.

[CygnusX1]

1 minute ago, VBF said:

And another point is that IF you have an accident or the car breaks down,

You’re talking about an extremely small probability, and the roads I drive on always have little traffic.

[VBF]

Just now, CygnusX1 said:

You’re talking about an extremely small probability, and the roads I drive on always have little traffic.

So it's all about you is it?

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It's also interesting to see how so resistant to anything official some people are they’ll resist anything official now matter how sensible. 

Many of us don't trust government because of what they did before. Chickens coming home to roost? Most of our politicians have no idea what it's like to be an ordinary working person- never had a real job in their lives.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It's also interesting to see how so resistant to anything official some people are they’ll resist anything official now matter how sensible. 

 

Well, i agree with you in general, but right now, there is apparently a fierce debate, among world scientists, on how long the virus can stay and transmit in the air.

We have to be vigilant, even the official narrative can change from one day to another.

[CygnusX1]

1 minute ago, VBF said:

So it's all about you is it?

No, it’s all about politicians having a bit of common sense and putting their brains into first gear before coming up with clearly unreasonable laws.

[tropo]

12 minutes ago, IvorLott said:

What is the point of this speculative post but to produce more speculation and misinformation in these uncertain times? 

I don't believe it will take 18 months to 2 years for a vaccine. With the collective minds of scientists the world over working on this, I believe it will take no longer than 6 months. Necessity is the mother of invention. The old way may have taken that long, but the world is making new history by the day.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, VBF said:

So it's all about you is it?

Of course it is. I met very few, if any people in my life that did anything if it wasn't in their own best interest.

If Kennedy made his famous speech now ( ask not what your country can do for you etc ), people would probably think he was crazy, IMO.

[VBF]

Just now, CygnusX1 said:

No, it’s all about politicians having a bit of common sense and putting their brains into first gear before coming up with clearly unreasonable laws.

Normally I'd agree with that whole-heartedly but given that this is unprecedented in its severity, I'd say that we're all struggling for the right approach politicians included.

If even the medical and scientific community don't all agree what chance do the the rest of us have? 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, tropo said:

I don't believe it will take 18 months to 2 years for a vaccine. With the collective minds of scientists the world over working on this, I believe it will take no longer than 6 months. Necessity is the mother of invention. The old way may have taken that long, but the world is making new history by the day.

Some things can't be rushed. If they put a bad vaccine into use it may ruin more people than the virus will kill.

[VBF]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course it is. I met very few, if any people in my life that did anything if it wasn't in their own best interest.

If Kennedy made his famous speech now ( ask not what your country can do for you etc ), people would probably think he was crazy, IMO.

Sadly, I have to agree with that - and we were having such a good argument! ????

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, VBF said:

Normally I'd agree with that whole-heartedly but given that this is unprecedented in its severity, I'd say that we're all struggling for the right approach politicians included.

If even the medical and scientific community don't all agree what chance do the the rest of us have? 

Ah, so not 97% agreement among the scientific community then?

[FolkGuitar]

Perhaps it's time to remember...
In 1918, 50,000,000 people died from the Spanish Flu.
It infected 500 million people, more than a quarter of the world's population then, and killed 50 million of them. The world was in a MUCH worse condition then, right after W.W.I
And the world survived. And the countries rebuilt.
And life continued without turning to savagery.
And we did it without becoming a Post-Apocalyptic Doomsday Society.
And we all went on about our lives once again.
We WILL do it again.

WE will do it again.

[VBF]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ah, so not 97% agreement among the scientific community then?

Is it? Can you support that worldwide 97% of the scientific community agrees on everything Covid-related?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, VBF said:

Sadly, I have to agree with that - and we were having such a good argument! ????

I'll go further; if many of the ones supporting lockdown were to potentially suffer bankrupcy, loss of home and marital destruction etc I bet they'd be changing their tune. I'd hazard a guess that many are retired and have a secure income, so not much to lose by watching tv for a month or three.

I'm prepared to catch it and die rather than be locked down, and I can't give more than my life, can I?

[tropo]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Some things can't be rushed. If they put a bad vaccine into use it may ruin more people than the virus will kill.

"some things can't be rushed" takes on a different meaning in the current crisis. The FDA is already rush approving drugs in the US.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, VBF said:

Is it? Can you support that worldwide 97% of the scientific community agrees on everything Covid-related?

Methinks you missed the irony.