Thailand announces another fall in new COVID-19 cases

[scubascuba3]

They like highlighting falang cases but the proportion is very low

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, lamyai3 said:

Got to be heat and humidity, as well as lack of testing. This is clear from the absence of runaway numbers in any Southeast Asian country. Natural immunity is less likely, otherwise there'd be an imbalance in Thai vs foreign deaths. 

Don't the cold climate people spend most of their time in nice toasty homes where the temperature is quite high?Perhaps it's more to do with humidity than heat as one vid explained when exhaled the moisture evaporates in drier conditions leaving the now lighter virus to float around longer and if people are cooped up in their toasty low humidity homes they become even more vulnerable to infection.If this is the case then staying home is the last thing to be doing or recommending.

[dinsdale]

I would imagine it will stay around this number in accordance with Chairman Xi's directive. Thailand 45 new cases with 2 more deaths. China 46 new cases with 3 more deaths. Pure coincidence I'm sure. I just can't understand how the Prayut fanboy club can actually belive what we are being told.

[smedly]

44 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

People talking about hospitals being full

A lot of people are being sent home ill and not tested

They then go back to hospital as their health deteriorats and would die very quickly....without ventilation

Not many ventilators or CPAP machines in Thailand

A person who died from the scenario above would not count as a COVID death as no patients are tested post mortem

100% correct

 

Death in village of pneumonia or something ................. someone in village says it was CV-19, government claims fake news as they were not tested dead or alive - estimated mortality rate of CV-19 is say about 3% - that is 3 people in 100 in Thailand, not huge for Thailand even without CV-19 - population of 70 million so what will that equal in say 6 months - well if they have only tested 60,000 people alive or dead by then to confirm CV-19 infections not hard to see how that ends up - total deaths of CV-19 with confirmed tests 2000-4000 people depending on mortality - suspected deaths or infections due to CV-19 .............................? public not allowed to say because it is fake news and they could be prosecuted

 

Result - numbers will never be clear in Thailand because they are not testing to find out - it seems that is how they want to keep it - covered up

 

They are fooling the Thai people with the so called "checks carried out number" they keep reporting which is "NOT TESTING" 

 

Seems the most tested people in Thailand are actually foreigners because when they have symptoms they actually do the right thing and get tested - Thailand like reporting those numbers 

[offset]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

They like highlighting falang cases but the proportion is very low

It is not low if you take into account of the amount of Thai people and the amount of foreigners here

[smedly]

1 hour ago, jonclark said:

Just for context what you stated is just a theory.. Just like every other armchair TVF post. Nothing more, nothing less. And most theories are usually wrong. 

 

Does anyone know if the 32,000 (ministry of public health website data 12th April 2020) People Under Investigation (PUI) are actually tested for covid 19?

 

 

no they are not - likely sent home to self isolate and never heard of again 

[Krataiboy]

I'll drink to that! Oh, I forgot. . . 

[smedly]

1 hour ago, DavisH said:

"People talkng of..." isn't evidence. Try again.

And how do you know that those that die at home are not tested for covid? What is your evidence of this? Try again. 

Thailands own published test numbers - you're not getting are you 

 

No test no report 

[Canuck1966]

7 minutes ago, smedly said:

100% correct

 

Death in village of pneumonia or something ................. someone in village says it was CV-19, government claims fake news as they were not tested dead or alive - estimated mortality rate of CV-19 is say about 3% - that is 3 people in 100 in Thailand, not huge for Thailand even without CV-19 - population of 70 million so what will that equal in say 6 months - well if they have only tested 60,000 people alive or dead by then to confirm CV-19 infections not hard to see how that ends up - total deaths of CV-19 with confirmed tests 2000-4000 people depending on mortality - suspected deaths or infections due to CV-19 .............................? public not allowed to say because it is fake news and they could be prosecuted

 

Result - numbers will never be clear in Thailand because they are not testing to find out - it seems that is how they want to keep it - covered up

 

They are fooling the Thai people with the so called "checks carried out number" they keep reporting which is "NOT TESTING" 

 

Seems the most tested people in Thailand are actually foreigners because when they have symptoms they actually do the right thing and get tested - Thailand like reporting those numbers 

Exactly, it's sad to see so many foreigners here who lack basic critical thinking .

 

[JCP108]

I didn't explain it this way before. But even though I doubt this will seem any more useful than what I wrote before, I'll share the logic of why I said things could have bumped up significantly without the rest of us knowing...

 

I worked for five years in a hospital emergency room and critical care department at a hospital with overall 300 beds. So, a mid-sized hospital and we were the main hospital in a small city of 100k. 

 

There were months when overall, our ED, critical care department, and regular beds were 25% busier than normal. Business fluctuates including the business of taking care of sick people. During those busier months, while we employees had a vague sense of working a bit harder, it made no news stories. Our parking lots didn't really look any different from normal. No outside observer could have noticed. In fact, we only knew the precise amount as we were tracking exact numbers of each type of patient every day. If you didn't look at those spreadsheets, you wouldn't know that we were doing that much extra business even though we were operating at 25% higher than normal. I believe that during those periods of increased business, even if you had hired the whole team of investigative reporters from the local newspaper, they wouldn't have been able to verify increased business without seeing those reports. 

 

So, based on my prior experience, it seems reasonable to me that hospitals here could easily be operating at 8-12% above normal and we wouldn't know unless we had access to those same types of reports. We simply wouldn't know from the outside. So, yes, it could be easily ignored or not reported. If we assume 25% of people die at home and for the past three months Thai hospitals have been running on average 8-12% above normal, that would translate into an increase of 5k-7k extra deaths in the country per month for a total of 15k-21k extra deaths. I'm saying (based on what I explained above) that that could be happening and we wouldn't know. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by JCP108
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[tropo]

15 minutes ago, steven100 said:

then why not look elsewhere, don't waste your time here, many other places to visit. 

Maybe you have some family members who share distant ancestry to the PM, because your blind and constant apologies are pathetic. You have your head buried deeper in sand than anyone else on this forum.

 

I'm sure plenty of people want to leave. Could you please explain how people can leave right now?

[smedly]

59 minutes ago, Deez said:

What exactly did , Thailand do to have some of the best numbers in the world? Besides waiting until after Chinese New Year to do anything so they would not lose those baht. Believe government numbers here at your own peril

define best numbers - does it include actual testing ?  - best numbers right ?

 

you can't produce confirmed infection data if you are not testing - you do understand that right ?

 

So what you think - still the best numbers ? 

[lamyai3]

40 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

 

Sure, you can catch it, and it continues to spread. The point is it weakens significantly in the hotter more humid weather. The disparity between tropical and non tropical countries is now so evident I'm surprised anyone continues to argue otherwise. 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

don't worry, all the TVF farang of experts say everything is bad about Thailand, doesn't matter what the news they're just a bunch of whingers.  lol

 

It's all the training they received in Special Forces, Secret Services, and copious university degrees!

 

They always know more than anyone, know they're always right, and haven't got a good word to say about a country that let's them live here.

[Canuck1966]

Just now, lamyai3 said:

Sure, you can catch it, and it continues to spread. The point is it weakens significantly in the hotter more humid weather. The disparity between tropical and non tropical countries is now so evident I'm surprised anyone continues to argue otherwise. 

yeh but that's offset (if it's true) with large numbers congregated in small houses and everyone's spoon dipped into the same bowls

[offset]

I would think that if you wanted to state false figures you would have a case of the virus in all provinces so if anybody that knew of somebody would think that was the person they knew about, but there are about 9 provinces that have no reported cases but I have not heard anybody from any of them say they know a case 

[Inderpland]

[tropo]

53 minutes ago, Tingnongnoi said:

yes its pretty obvious you can still catch it, but look at all the countries with the same or similar weather to thailand and none of them have anywhere near the same amount as in US, Europe or countries with cooler weather

There have been studies on the effects of climate on SARS-Cov-2 spread. They conducted such a study in China the week before they started introducing measures to contain the spread on Jan 24.

 

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https://www.sott.net/article/431030-New-study-says-high-temperature-and-high-relative-humidity-significantly-reduce-spread-of-COVID-19

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New study says 'high temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce' spread of COVID-19

 

Mark Puleo
Accuweather
Thu, 19 Mar 2020 02:33 UTC

 

A team of researchers unveiled the results of a new study last week that looked at how temperature and humidity may affect the transmission of COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus.

According to the researchers' findings, "High temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce the transmission of COVID-19." An increase of just one degree Celsius and 1% relative humidity increase substantially lower the virus's transmission, according to the data analyzed by the researchers.

The study is the latest in a limited but growing body of research, not all of which has been peer-reviewed, that examines the effect of weather on the spread of the SARS-Cov-2 virus, which causes the COVID-19 illness............................................................

 

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Edited April 12, 2020 by tropo

[dinsdale]

I'm starting to think we have Prayut's version of Chinese 50centers infiltrating this forum or maybe straight from the military IT boys. A lot of the Prayut fanboys seem to be new to TV.

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

If the hospitals in Thailand were filling up with dead bodies it would be hard to hide. I live in Bangkok and am extremely impressed and grateful to the Thai people, and yes, in this case the Thai Govt, for their handling of this. My hope is that Thailand recovers soon.

Not if they send them back to the village to die untested and there are many thousands of villages each with their own crematorium or two so they would go unnoticed but could easily total many thousands.

[metisdead]

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[Canuck1966]

Just now, FarFlungFalang said:

Not if they send them back to the village to die untested and there are many thousands of villages each with their own crematorium or two so they would go unnoticed but could easily total many thousands.

People often go back to their villages when they get dreaded news from a doctor (terminal cancer/aids etc)

A lot of uneducated people across the villages of Thailand who would just agree with the doctor's cause of death and carry on.

Especially if they are old

If you talk to village people about causes of death, they often just say "too old" , no further explanation is given or wanted 

[smedly]

45 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Thai Doctors are not having legs broken for refusing to hide numbers. Go away with this nonsense!

they do as they are told without question - your naivety is astounding 

[lamyai3]

3 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

yeh but that's offset (if it's true) with large numbers congregated in small houses and everyone's spoon dipped into the same bowls

This just underscores the point. No way Thais have been social distancing in any way, shape, or form. Thailand has been a sitting duck for catastrophic infection rates ever since it was the first country to report a case outside China (while Chinese tourists were still flocking in). Sure, the government statistics are a joke, but mass numbers of respiratory illness and death would be all over social media here in no time if they were happening. 

[Creasy]

It took the Thai 'government' 3 months to fudge the election figures, so I wouldn't put it past them to massage the WuFlu figures either

[Canuck1966]

3 minutes ago, Creasy said:

It took the Thai 'government' 3 months to fudge the election figures, so I wouldn't put it past them to massage the WuFlu figures either

Xi has sent them a step by step manual.

[FarFlungFalang]

21 minutes ago, tropo said:

There have been studies on the effects of climate on SARS-Cov-2 spread. They conducted such a study in China the week before they started introducing measures to contain the spread on Jan 24.

 

I find I like the theory that it's more to do with humidity and being in an enclosed space with others as in colder climates people live in heated homes which tend to have much lower humidity causing the moisture droplets around the virus to evaporate leaving the virus lighter and able to float longer and making people in the enclosed areas much more vulnerable to infection.Beware the cure.Don't stay home!

 

 

Edited April 12, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[Eibot]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

Yes, Khun Prayut acted quickly to minimize the spread of the virus and the numbers are starting to prove that theory. 

 

Khun Prayut is luky Thailand has a warm climate. Same as the whole of South-East Asia, and India. 

[jimmjam]

2 hours ago, madmitch said:

Are other countries looking at Thailand's figures and wondering how the figures are so low?

 

If you think about it, Thailand should be an absolute hotbed for the dissemination of the virus:

 

Flights from Wuhan continuing until Wuhan itself closed its airport;

Flights from overseas, including China, still arriving until very recently;

A population that is generally loathe to observe rules and regulations;

Minimal social distancing;

People living several to a household, not to forget the corrugated iron villages occupied by migrant workers;

Public hospitals where you expect to come out with a disease, even if you enter in perfect health;

An early lack of decisiveness from the Government and totally confusing messages from  the health ministry (and a useless health minister who has all but disappeared from sight);

Completely different provincial approaches whereby some still have shopping malls open and others are in full lockdown.

 

I could probably go on.

 

So why is this virus just not infecting many people here? Heat and humidity? Face masks? Natural immunity? Lack of testing and analysis of tests?

 

Other southeast Asian countries are also not suffering like in Europe and America.

 

It just seems odd.

 

 

I was watching channel 8 news today and they said that som tam helps fight the virus. No lie. 

[Why Me]

Great! Thailand showing good C-19 numbers. Icing on the cake TVers with an inferiority complex lashing out at the numbers.

 

All I need is for the US stimulus check to drop and I am going to pop the cork off one of my carefully horded bottles of the bubbly. Yeehah!

Edited April 12, 2020 by Why Me