Trump to announce 'guidelines' on reopening U.S. economy Thursday

[Mama Noodle]

5 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

JTown's statement is reasonable.  There IS enough money it's just that it is not distributed equally to everyone.  Every month there is a ton of money spent on non-essential goods.  If all those funds were converted to spending on essential goods and services there would be plenty for all.  But that would entail everyone caring for ALL their neighbors with no caveats and a temporary substantial reduction in standard of living.

 

Its completely UN-reasonable unless you want riots and fighting and chaos. 

 

This do-gooder garbage might sound practical, but in reality any attempted implementation would cause mayhem. 

 

Would you be willing to live in a hut with a lightbulb and give up everything you worked for? For the greater good? 

 

I highly doubt it, and I damn sure wouldn't. 

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

 

JTown's statement is reasonable.  There IS enough money it's just that it is not distributed equally to everyone.  Every month there is a ton of money spent on non-essential goods.  If all those funds were converted to spending on essential goods and services there would be plenty for all.  But that would entail everyone caring for ALL their neighbors with no caveats and a temporary substantial reduction in standard of living.

This "Get out and see how it works" mentality is being promoted by those who NEED the peons to return to work so they can continue to feed their bloated bank accounts. Here's Dr Oz talking about getting children back to school on that state TV propaganda source (direct quote): “I tell you, schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in The Lancet arguing that the opening of schools may only cost us 2 to 3 percent, in terms of total mortality." Anybody who can support this has lost all humanity. Even ONE unnecessary death is unacceptable.

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, J Town said:

This "Get out and see how it works" mentality is being promoted by those who NEED the peons to return to work so they can continue to feed their bloated bank accounts.

 

Whats your plan if you run out of money? Whats your plan if you can't feed your family?

 

Do you really believe that this imaginary globalist collective is going to keep you and your family fed and housed? 

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Its completely UN-reasonable unless you want riots and fighting and chaos. 

 

This do-gooder garbage might sound practical, but in reality any attempted implementation would cause mayhem. 

 

Would you be willing to live in a hut with a lightbulb and give up everything you worked for? For the greater good? 

 

I highly doubt it, and I damn sure wouldn't. 

And that's a completely ridiculous premise. We're talking about a few months. That won't put everyone living in a cave etc. Absolute paranoid rubbish.

 

"Going back to work because the curve is lowering" is the same as "The parachute has slowed our rate of descent, we can take it off now."

 

And if wanting to save the human race above saving the stock market is "do-gooder" then color me a do-gooder.

Edited April 18, 2020 by J Town

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, J Town said:

And if wanting to save the human race above saving the stock market is "do-gooder" then color me a do-gooder.

 

????

 

The human race is in no way at risk due to this virus. Just listen to yourself. 

 

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

That won't put everyone living in a cave etc. Absolute paranoid rubbish.

 

So youll be the first to give up your wealth then? Approximately how much are you willing to give up to "save the human race"? 

 

 

[gamb00ler]

39 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

????

 

The human race is in no way at risk due to this virus. Just listen to yourself. 

 

 

So youll be the first to give up your wealth then? Approximately how much are you willing to give up to "save the human race"? 

 

 

The $56B spent on professional sports in US would give everybody about $15/month for example.  Spending on golf is $84B/yr.... another $22/month for everyone.  I'll bet even you can see support for your position eroding.

 

And your calculation leads you to believe that a few months of lockdown would result in cave living?

I call BS.

[Eric Loh]

On 4/16/2020 at 7:20 AM, webfact said:

While we must remain vigilant, it is clear that our aggressive strategy is working and very strongly working, I might add," Trump said.

Didn’t take that long for Trump to renege on his own policy. No doubt teleprompter Trump is different from free-wheeling Trump. In yesterday daily briefing he backed the anti social distancing protestors in Michigan, Minnesota and Virginia. His personality is much conflicted. 

[chokrai]

16 hours ago, J Town said:

A truly great economy would endure this with hardly a noticeable blip. This has exposed what a flimsy, fragile economy this world has. One case in point - the last crash was 40 months ago. Banks make $3 billion PROFIT every quarter. If they saved $1 billion per quarter from the PROFITS, they'd have a boatload of money.

 

We need to re-evaluate what it is we want, not just rush back to a failing system.

Your understanding of how the economy works is truly amazing. 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Your understanding of how the economy works is truly amazing. 

His understanding of how the economy should work and bring people together in stead of making the rich richer seems excellent.

[chokrai]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

His understanding of how the economy should work and bring people together in stead of making the rich richer seems excellent.

No it's not excellent it is naive socialist nonsense.

[J Town]

21 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Same old liberal nonsense. You will have your best chance in Nov to vote in the Socialist govt you are dreaming of. Of course the nightmare you will get will be worse then you can imagine. It always is.

I always hesitate to give Trump supporters facts - they are completely ignored. However, since there are others that may see this, OK:
"Reagan took the deficit from $70 billion to $175 billion. Bush 41 took it to $300 billion. Clinton got it to zero. Bush 43 took it from zero to $1.2 trillion. Obama halved it to $600 billion. Trump’s got it back to a trillion."

 

Hard to imagine it getting any worse. Trump IS the worst ever, and Biden, while a bumbling fool, at least knows how to listen to his advisors. Again, I know you'll ignore facts but others will see truth.

 

Source: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/29/tweets/republican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/

[earlinclaifornia]

4 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Debunked nonsense:

 

"Sen. Bernie Sanders wrongly claimed President Donald Trump said if people have symptoms of the new coronavirus infection, “doesn’t matter, go to work.” That’s not what the president said."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/sanders-twists-trumps-words-on-coronavirus-work/

Did I say Bernie? What universe is it you live on?

During a Wednesday night interview with Fox News, President Trump said he believes people infected with the novel coronavirus may get better "by sitting around and even going to work."

[earlinclaifornia]

17 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

If you think that LEFTWING politicians in the USA won’t use this pandemic as ammunition and try to further cripple the country and economy to try and make trump look as bad as possible just have a look at Nancy Pelosi and the funding of the Business  Fund. 
 

And if you honestly believe that her blocking a 2 page no frills funding bill was not a political move meant to cause harm at the expense of the country then it’s clear you don’t care about objectivity. 

BS The bill was Republican only and the Democrats wanted to also include increased funding for medical spending which Mc Connel would not support. Looks like Republicans now will include. We will see.

[JCauto]

18 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

The fact is many Democrats hate Trump more than the virus. Thus, their decisions are made through that prism. They literally want the economy as devastated as possible because they think they need it. Not bad logic, given their choice for the Democrat nominee. But as every scam to GET TRUMP, this one has a very high chance of backfiring. Blue states are generally the worse-hit. They're not going to vote for Trump anyway, so let these feral anti-Trumpers ruin their own states.

Do you even read your own material? You accuse the Democrats of wanting the economy to be as devastated as possible, then actually close the next sentence with "let these feral anti-Trumpers ruin their own states". Who hates whom?

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

I always hesitate to give Trump supporters facts - they are completely ignored. However, since there are others that may see this, OK:
"Reagan took the deficit from $70 billion to $175 billion. Bush 41 took it to $300 billion. Clinton got it to zero. Bush 43 took it from zero to $1.2 trillion. Obama halved it to $600 billion. Trump’s got it back to a trillion."

 

Hard to imagine it getting any worse. Trump IS the worst ever, and Biden, while a bumbling fool, at least knows how to listen to his advisors. Again, I know you'll ignore facts but others will see truth.

 

Source: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/29/tweets/republican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/

Thanks for that link. Saved

[simple1]

10 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Do you even read your own material? You accuse the Democrats of wanting the economy to be as devastated as possible, then actually close the next sentence with "let these feral anti-Trumpers ruin their own states". Who hates whom?

Including trump himself...

 

In a series of all-caps tweets, Mr. Trump declared “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” and “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” — two states whose Democratic governors have imposed social distancing restrictions that have shut down businesses and schools and forced people to remain at home. He also tweeted “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!”

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/?nl=learning&emc=edit_ln

[J Town]

Just now, earlinclaifornia said:

Thanks for that link. Saved

You're welcome. Add to that, politifact.com is one of THE most neutral, least biased sites around. And, as I foresaw, once facts enter the discussion, Trump supporters shy away.

[earlinclaifornia]

https://news.yahoo.com/millionaires-receive-1-7m-coronavirus-130409484.html

[candide]

It will be interesting to see whether GOP states trust Trump enough and reopen quickly, or decide to play safe and wait.

[candide]

51 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

https://news.yahoo.com/millionaires-receive-1-7m-coronavirus-130409484.html

Wow! "Millionaires receive $1.7m in coronavirus relief as most taxpayers get $1,200 payments thanks to hidden Republican loophole."

Let's see if Republicans agree to repeal this tax break.

[Eric Loh]

22 minutes ago, candide said:

It will be interesting to see whether GOP states trust Trump enough and reopen quickly, or decide to play safe and wait.

 

22 minutes ago, candide said:

It will be interesting to see whether GOP states trust Trump enough and reopen quickly, or decide to play safe and wait.

I will be watching with keen eyes on Florida‘s Governor De Santis. He was never serious about social distancing and only bowed to pressure from the public recently to issue a stay-at-home order. I remembered he stepped in when his Surgeon General spoke of the need for more social distancing. He vowed to reopen on 1st May. He better be very sure as he won the ‘18 election by a razor thin advantage. 

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I will be watching with keen eyes on Florida‘s Governor De Santis. He was never serious about social distancing and only bowed to pressure from the public recently to issue a stay-at-home order. 

Just today Florida opened up one of its beaches with a request for all to practice social distancing which of course the beach goers largely ignored. Let's see if that works out better than South Dakota, currently the fastest growing Covid-19 outbreak site in the world (the Republican governor there is still refusing to issue a stay-at-home order).

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, J Town said:

Just today Florida opened up one of its beaches with a request for all to practice social distancing which of course the beach goers largely ignored. Let's see if that works out better than South Dakota, currently the fastest growing Covid-19 outbreak site in the world (the Republican governor there is still refusing to issue a stay-at-home order).

Most of the Red States that trusted Trump and followed his idiotic disregard for science are experiencing big spike; North and South Dakota included. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/coronavirus-hot-spots-farm-belt-189272

[Mama Noodle]

None of the people in this thread who criticize trying to open back up the economy has had a single lucid and coherent alternative other than "stay home" while completely ignoring the fact that most people simply can not "stay home" and certainly not "stay home" until there's a vaccine. 

[Mama Noodle]

24 minutes ago, J Town said:

Let's see if that works out better than South Dakota, currently the fastest growing Covid-19 outbreak site in the world (the Republican governor there is still refusing to issue a stay-at-home order).

 

You can't order people to stay at home dude. 

 

And id really like to know what you expect people to do if they can't work. 

[Gweiloman]

3 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

You can't order people to stay at home dude. 

 

And id really like to know what you expect people to do if they can't work. 

I would really like USA to reopen so that the rest of the world can learn from it. This would be a brilliant test case.
 

Sweden, which didn’t lock down has 1,200 deaths, more than all the other Scan countries combined. But it’s only a small country in the overall scheme of things. 

 

I think the whole world would love to see what would happen in America, if she reopens now so that they could formulate their strategy accordingly. 
 

So please Trump, do us all a favour and reopen. LIBERATE! LIBERATE! LIBERATE!

[Mama Noodle]

11 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I would really like USA to reopen so that the rest of the world can learn from it. This would be a brilliant test case.
 

Sweden, which didn’t lock down has 1,200 deaths, more than all the other Scan countries combined. But it’s only a small country in the overall scheme of things. 

 

I think the whole world would love to see what would happen in America, if she reopens now so that they could formulate their strategy accordingly. 
 

So please Trump, do us all a favour and reopen. LIBERATE! LIBERATE! LIBERATE!

 

All hate with no solution or suggestion. 

 

What would you do if you were a working person of middle class who lost their job and can't work? Stay home for a year until a vaccine is viable? 

[candide]

29 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

None of the people in this thread who criticize trying to open back up the economy has had a single lucid and coherent alternative other than "stay home" while completely ignoring the fact that most people simply can not "stay home" and certainly not "stay home" until there's a vaccine. 

The only alternative is based on extensive testing, and there is yet only limited testing capacity available.

[Gweiloman]

8 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

All hate with no solution or suggestion. 

 

What would you do if you were a working person of middle class who lost their job and can't work? Stay home for a year until a vaccine is viable? 

I would have a solution, if I were POTUS. But I’m not lol. 
 

I did lose my job and was unable to find another for quite a while. But I had savings and I wasn’t living paycheck to paycheck. And I didn’t have to depend on the food bank either. But then again, I’m not an American. 

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, candide said:

The only alternative is based on extensive testing, and there is yet only limited testing capacity available.

 

So stay home, lose your job, default on your mortgage, default on your car, wreck your credit score and likely go bankrupt until testing is widespread enough to use it as a sort of pass for movement. 

 

And that's just a younger middle class family situation, never mind people that live hand to mouth/paycheck to paycheck. 

 

Nobody is going to do that. Do you really think people are going to do that?