Thujone Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 hours ago, transam said: Aaaaaaaaaah, fond memories of Real Ale from the pump.................???? I could savour a pint of hand-drawn cask conditioned Theakston Old Peculiar in these peculiar times... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monomial Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Wait...I'm confused. I thought it was the yeast digesting the mash that created the carbon dioxide, and that beer production actually generated carbon dioxide. That is why all the beer produces also make soda water....presumably because they have an excess of carbon dioxide. Can someone explain why additional CO2 is needed in the industrial beer production process? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogradod Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) I am German and my ancestors invented the thing. Google "Weihenstephan". And real beer - especially Pils - has CO2 and is served cold. It is an art. No discussion. At least since the invention of refridgerators. Everything else is just a curiosity such as pineapple on a pizza. Edited April 19, 2020 by moogradod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forethat Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, moogradod said: I am German and my ancestors invented the thing. Google "Weihenstephan". And real beer - especially Pils - has CO2 and is served cold. It is an art. No discussion. At least since the invention of refridgerators. Everything else is just a curiosity such as pineapple on a pizza. You're from the Middle East? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 hours ago, VocalNeal said: If one takes the fizz out of US beer what is left? Just beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 41 minutes ago, Monomial said: Wait...I'm confused. I thought it was the yeast digesting the mash that created the carbon dioxide, and that beer production actually generated carbon dioxide. That is why all the beer produces also make soda water....presumably because they have an excess of carbon dioxide. Can someone explain why additional CO2 is needed in the industrial beer production process? So that the bottle when opened goes pssst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monomial Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Forethat said: You're from the Middle East? Is Egypt considered the Middle East? I thought it was Africa. https://www.ancient.eu/article/1033/beer-in-ancient-egypt/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monomial Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, Almer said: So that the bottle when opened goes pssst Still don't understand. The CO2 is dissolved in the beer will pressurize the bottle automatically. Why is additional CO2 needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Surelynot said: Good. Proper beer should be flat, warm and very hoppy. Warm beer, arggggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forethat Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Monomial said: Is Egypt considered the Middle East? I thought it was Africa. https://www.ancient.eu/article/1033/beer-in-ancient-egypt/ Could be. I thought it was Mesopotamia. At least that's what I've been told. But Egyptians or Sumerians could be right. Quote In Mesopotamia (ancient Iraq), early evidence of beer is a 3,900-year-old Sumerian poem honoring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, which contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread.[18] Approximately 5,000 years ago, workers in the city of Uruk were paid by their employers in beer.[19] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer I know I read somewhere of a brewer who tried to reproduce that four thousand year old beer recipé. Apparently it was awful. Edited April 19, 2020 by Forethat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Monomial said: Still don't understand. The CO2 is dissolved in the beer will pressurize the bottle automatically. Why is additional CO2 needed? We need a qualified brewer to answer. Calling all brewers please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forethat Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Almer said: We need a qualified brewer to answer. Calling all brewers please. Make sure you get the Belgians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moogradod Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, Forethat said: You're from the Middle East? No, but I am no historian either. I guess we are talking "modern" beer, not "met" or anything prähistoric - if modern is appr. 1000 years back. The beer produced at Weihenstephan at this time in history is more or less the stuff you are drinking today. I believe therefore it is justifiable to say that the Germans "invented" it in the form it is still available today. Prost ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 hours ago, rasmus5150 said: Can't they just put their beer into their Soda Stream - and make new bubbles? not sure if you are joking, the soda stream is powered by bottled co2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solinvictus Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 The beer in BKK will be sold on the 20th again! Tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Monomial said: Wait...I'm confused. I thought it was the yeast digesting the mash that created the carbon dioxide, and that beer production actually generated carbon dioxide. That is why all the beer produces also make soda water....presumably because they have an excess of carbon dioxide. Can someone explain why additional CO2 is needed in the industrial beer production process? Can't explain why but i have commissioned beer carbonation systems in breweries. As has been said breweries do not make their own CO2. I've also commissioned O2 plants so understand why breweries don't have CO2 systems. O2 and N2 plants separate out the gasses from ambient air. There is not enough CO2 in the atmosphere to make it viable for separation. As for beers there is a difference between top and bottom fermentation. I'm not a brewer but i know one.???? Forward on 'till tomorrow. Edited April 19, 2020 by VocalNeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 9 hours ago, chickenslegs said: Would be fun if they started using He instead of CO2. Light beer? I could belch in a higher pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inn Between Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I won't have that problem as I'm in Canada these days making my own beer with lots of carbonation in it after a couple of weeks of sitting on the shelf. I find that about 200 grams of dextrose in a 23-liter batch when bottling gives me plenty of fizz. Any breweries making "bottle conditioned" beer won't have a problem, but all that factory stuff is flat and pasteurized with no live yeast in it, so it has to be charged with CO2 as it's bottled and canned. What's even cooler about making one's own beer here is that all the ingredient are completely tax-free as they're all considered basic food item. With the VERY heavy taxation on booze here, it means I pay about 25% of the price of a standard beer, and if I can leave it aging long enough, I get a much superior one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 9 hours ago, chickenslegs said: Would be fun if they started using He instead of CO2. 8 hours ago, Forethat said: They can't, as it's impossible. How about NO then? Sorry, this is no laughing matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybole Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Real ale makes its own CO2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heina Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 This is good sign for all the peoples who loves good beer. Let beer carbonate in bottles. Much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forethat Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 16 hours ago, chickenslegs said: How about NO then? Sorry, this is no laughing matter. As long as you inhale it, you'll be fine. At least your mates will have a good laugh watching you try. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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