E-cigarettes are bad for spreading the virus says minister after Bangkok market raid

[webfact]

E-cigarettes are bad for spreading the virus says minister after Bangkok market raid 

 

Picture Ban Muang

 

Thailand's Office of the Consumer Protection Board raided ten shops in the Klong Thom market in Bangkok on Sunday where traders were selling e-cigarettes.

 

More than one million baht's worth of e-cigarettes, vaping fluid and accessories were seized. 

 

Prime minister's office minister Tewan Liptaphallop said those selling the items faced prison for three years and fines of 600,000 or both for contravening 1979 consumer laws. 

 

He told Ban Muang that smoking e-cigarettes at this time posed a further risk to public health because infected people might breath out droplets in their smoke right into the face of others. 

 

Source: Ban Muang

 

 

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[Phuketshrew]

Breaking News: Exhaling is spreading the Covid-19 virus. Everyone please stop breathing out immediately.

[transam]

Wow............................Get onto W.H.O with the breaking news....

[Thaiwrath]

15 minutes ago, webfact said:

He told Ban Muang that smoking e-cigarettes at this time posed a further risk to public health because infected people might breath out droplets in their smoke right into the face of others. 

E-cigarettes were banned a long time ago, purely to protect the profits of the Thai Tobacco Monopoly !

Now, quite conveniently, they are bringing it into the Covid-19 argument, to justify the ban !

Surely smoking cigarettes also entails exhaling, but there is no vendors getting arrested, with threats of 3 years jail, or 600,000 baht fines !

 

[Susco]

7 minutes ago, Phuketshrew said:

Breaking News: Exhaling is spreading the Covid-19 virus. Everyone please stop breathing out immediately.

 

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Wow............................Get onto W.H.O with the breaking news....

 

Glad we have all those experts on this forum, who know everything so much better than professionals.

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/smoking-vaping-covid-19-risks

 

https://www.bloombergquint.com/coronavirus-outbreak/fda-shifts-its-covid-19-stance-on-vaping-smoking-impact

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vapers-smokers-higher-health-risks-with-covid19

 

 

[sammieuk1]

Says the minister presiding over the worlds foulest air and paranoia ????

[bluesofa]

15 minutes ago, Susco said:

Glad we have all those experts on this forum, who know everything so much better than professionals.

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/smoking-vaping-covid-19-risks

 

https://www.bloombergquint.com/coronavirus-outbreak/fda-shifts-its-covid-19-stance-on-vaping-smoking-impact

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vapers-smokers-higher-health-risks-with-covid19

The middle link only loads a couple of sentences (for me anyway)

 

The first and last links are regarding smoking generally:

"Some experts are saying people who use e-cigarettes and regular cigarettes could face a higher risk of serious illness with COVID-19.

They say that’s because vaping and smoking damages the lungs and makes it more difficult for a person to fight off COVID-19."

 

But I didn't see any evidence of Prime minister's office minister Tewan Liptaphallop's claim in the main article:

43 minutes ago, webfact said:

He told Ban Muang that smoking e-cigarettes at this time posed a further risk to public health because infected people might breath out droplets in their smoke right into the face of others.

I'm trying be objective in my post - and as a lifelong non-smoker who hates breathing in others smoke.

[Snackbar]

E-cigs are not illegal to use in Thailand. At least one post on TripAdviser with confirmation from tourism minister.
 

It is illegal to sell e-cig products . Like most thing here depends who’s doing the selling. 
 

 

[Grumpy one]

1 hour ago, Phuketshrew said:

Breaking News: Exhaling is spreading the Covid-19 virus. Everyone please stop breathing out immediately.

And don't fart either, I read that farting can spread the virus.

I thought it would do the opposite, let one rip and the crowd will disperse ????

[shy coconut]

The vapour exhaled from e cigs comes from deeper in the lungs and has

more particles for a virus to attach itself to, so it is more likely to spread

the plague than someone exhaling a normal breath of air.

 

I'm not saying that this raid was purely to prevent the spread of the virus,

but there is some scientific truth involved.

[ThomasThBKK]

1 hour ago, bluesofa said:

The middle link only loads a couple of sentences (for me anyway)

 

The first and last links are regarding smoking generally:

"Some experts are saying people who use e-cigarettes and regular cigarettes could face a higher risk of serious illness with COVID-19.

They say that’s because vaping and smoking damages the lungs and makes it more difficult for a person to fight off COVID-19."

 

But I didn't see any evidence of Prime minister's office minister Tewan Liptaphallop's claim in the main article:

I'm trying be objective in my post - and as a lifelong non-smoker who hates breathing in others smoke.

PG (propylene glycol) as used in vaping as the base for liquid is a known desinfectant for VIRUSES and bacteria, that's why those fogging machines you see used to desinfect are filled with it.

It's shown to be effective against influenza viruses for example: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/94/2452/612 and bacteria: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2135271/

 

The US military uses it for example against contaminations and air disinfaction in hospital. PG is an alcohol: https://books.google.co.th/books?id=VWqgAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA545&lpg=PA545&dq=PG+vapor+hospital+ward&source=bl&ots=2kXrS_7Rlp&sig=ACfU3U0YVWWRaOoc7pewNnwBxawtednVjw&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=PG vapor hospital ward&f=false

 

 

So the very desinfectant we use since World War 2 to kill viruses is now spreading viruses, i am not going to believe any of the rubbish that gets published nowadays anymore.

 

 

Besides that there's research that ace2 espression which gets upregulated by nicotine COULD BE helpful AGAINST covid: https://www.qeios.com/read/article/561

 

PS: Not criticizing your post, just adding more info. We don't know enough and all of these charlatans who claim something are talking out of their ass and i get so extremely tiring to reading their bs.

 

[bluesofa]

11 minutes ago, shy coconut said:

The vapour exhaled from e cigs comes from deeper in the lungs and has

more particles for a virus to attach itself to, so it is more likely to spread

the plague than someone exhaling a normal breath of air.

 

I'm not saying that this raid was purely to prevent the spread of the virus,

but there is some scientific truth involved.

Are you saying that smokers breathe heavier or deeper than non-smokers? I have no idea.

[WineOh]

but real cigs are ok?

How about banning them as well?

May as well just ban anything remotely fun.

Can I still j**k off or do I need to confirm with you lot beforehand? 

[lee b]

3 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

but real cigs are ok?

How about banning them as well?

May as well just ban anything remotely fun.

Can I still j**k off or do I need to confirm with you lot beforehand? 

No you can't, it will make you start to breathe heavier. Due to you taking deeper breaths, you will be more likely to have the virus taken into your lungs. They know what they are talking about, even though point 3 hasn't really been discussed yet.

[ThomasThBKK]

16 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Are you saying that smokers breathe heavier or deeper than non-smokers? I have no idea.

Yes smokers are known to have the best lung capacity that's why all professional apnoe divers are heavy smokers.

 

 

PS: Post could contain sarcasm

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, Susco said:

 

 

Glad we have all those experts on this forum, who know everything so much better than professionals.

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/smoking-vaping-covid-19-risks

 

https://www.bloombergquint.com/coronavirus-outbreak/fda-shifts-its-covid-19-stance-on-vaping-smoking-impact

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vapers-smokers-higher-health-risks-with-covid19

 

 

I think most people are commenting on the hypocrisy of it all;

vaping (banned and not giving government any tax revenue) BAD

smoking (backed by large conglomorates and providing a healthy tax revenue) - 'insert sound of crickets' 

[Kullstar]

Or is it you can't figure a way to tax them efficiently? ????????

[The Word]

3 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

E-cigarettes were banned a long time ago, purely to protect the profits of the Thai Tobacco Monopoly !

Now, quite conveniently, they are bringing it into the Covid-19 argument, to justify the ban !

Surely smoking cigarettes also entails exhaling, but there is no vendors getting arrested, with threats of 3 years jail, or 600,000 baht fines !

Surely that's because smoking cigarettes is not illegal?

[owenm]

Prime minister's office minister Tewan Liptaphallop said those selling the items faced prison for three years and fines of 600,000 or both for contravening 1979 consumer laws. 

 

I didn't know that e-cigs had been invented by 1979, or pandemics were mentioned .. So how could this law apply?? TIT.. 

[Justgrazing]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

He told Ban Muang that smoking e-cigarettes at this time posed a further risk to public health because infected people might breath out droplets in their smoke right into the face of others. 

Just exhale into a carrier bag or something sim' then go and empty the smoke into a bin when its full .. Its not rocket science .. Honestly some people can't wait to make fuss .. 

[gamesgplayemail]

2 hours ago, shy coconut said:

The vapour exhaled from e cigs comes from deeper in the lungs and has

more particles for a virus to attach itself to, so it is more likely to spread

the plague than someone exhaling a normal breath of air.

 

I'm not saying that this raid was purely to prevent the spread of the virus,

but there is some scientific truth involved.

 

 

What about legal cannabis oil ? is it dangerous to smoke it ?

 

 

[grumpy 4680]

       Amazing  how can one country have so many moronic ministers just expressing their own opinions, with absolutely no knowledge or proof of what they say.

         No wonder the countries in such a state. 

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand's Office of the Consumer Protection Board raided ten shops in the Klong Thom market in Bangkok on Sunday where traders were selling e-cigarettes

Jeez....

[Almer]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Wow............................Get onto W.H.O with the breaking news....

They could have unknowingly stumbled on something

[OffshoreMig]

https://previews.123rf.com/images/jeanree/jeanree1611/jeanree161100137/66395203-sign-no-peeing-man-reflected-a-urine.jpg

[sammieuk1]

5 hours ago, bluesofa said:

Are you saying that smokers breathe heavier or deeper than non-smokers? I have no idea.

Only if you smoke camels????

[Stargeezr]

I have noticed that when a lots of e smokers blow out their white vapor clouds, that

is what they do. They blow out their breath, not just breath out naturally.

 For the posters who have not seen this, they must either be blind, or maybe

they are the e smokers.  I have always hated seeing smokers, or e smokers doing this, while

likely thinking somehow that their action is cool, or hip, or some other

delusion.

Geezer

[Youlike]

8 hours ago, Liverpoolfan said:

but real cigs are ok?

How about banning them as well?

May as well just ban anything remotely fun.

Can I still j**k off or do I need to confirm with you lot beforehand? 

In Thailand you're not allowed to do a job that a Thai local can do. And it's 40 degree's now, why would you do the work?

[whaleboneman]

I think they should make vaping mandatory for all so I can see who's breathing on me.

[pattayadgw]

 guess there's been a 10 year study to come out with such a statement... moron!!!I