Trump says he will suspend all immigration into U.S. over coronavirus

[Cryingdick]

Just now, Slip said:

Really?  I had you down as smarter than that TBL.  I mean that NZ's decision is a short term reaction to a global pandemic and nothing whatsoever to do with immigration.  Quite the opposite of Trump's tub thumping anti-immigrant stance.

 

You need to realize that after the virus subsides the big issue is unemployment. So immigration policy meant to protect from the virus is also needed for that reason. Why would you want more workers coming when you have 60% unemployment?

[Peterw42]

Cant they just build a wall and the virus will pay for it

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

 This will propably be the future of immigration in thailand, as

thailand copy USA policies.

But they will do it thai way, and will cancell all retirement, marriage and work visa

alltogether.

i suspected this is going to happan.

also in neighbouring countries.

i might even dare and say it is GOD's will - death of globalisation, senseless over travel, 

pollution and f..ing around.

let each nation go back to it's borders, stay at home and grow your own vegetables.

soon will come the "10 days of darkness" that will clear people's heads from porn and netflix,

and than the massiagh.

Edited April 22, 2020 by SCOTT FITZGERSLD

[Slip]

10 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Gotta love Trump - stirs them up ever day.  I can still remember one day a while back when this woman was going on and on about Trump and then yelled out 'Trump is destroying the world'.  This bloke calmly replied" No love - Trump is destroying your world". Most people laughed - you can imagine her fury as she stormed out - as the Bard once wrote: 'hell hath no fury .......'

 

I wonder what he will do tomorrow.

You misunderstand the quote and who wrote it.

[AussieBob18]

7 minutes ago, Slip said:

You misunderstand the quote and who wrote it.

You mean this one? Or another one?

 

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!

[Slip]

3 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

You mean this one? Or another one?

 

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!

The one you actually quoted.

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

You mean this one? Or another one?

 

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
In light of the attack from the Invisible Enemy, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our GREAT American Citizens, I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States!

 

Hey dad what's for dinner?

 

Nothing son I haven't been working for over a month now.

 

We are going to go hungry?

 

Son stop complaining and go set the table for 12 people we have invited a few guests.

[Peterw42]

The truly sad thing is this will now be woven into the narrative, Immigrants, legal or otherwise brought the virus into The US.

Fast foward 2-3 weeks, trump will be standing up at one of his daily campaign briefings (they are not covid briefings) claiming a victory over some horrific death figures because he took early and decisive action against immigration.

 

 

[mikebike]

30 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

How recently? Let's see if there is clarification you know when pandemics hit... things change. With the recent unemployment the thesis for needing lots of foreign workers is no longer valid. Maybe we can let the people of NYC move to Yuma Arizona and pick lemons when they are evacuated and have no job.

04/21/2020 10:10 AM EDT

Updated: 04/21/2020 11:21 AM President Donald Trump's plan to suspend immigration into the U.S. will not apply to foreign farm workers, according to three industry sources familiar with the decision.

[PETERTHEEATER]

But, will US citizens rush to fill up the menial tasks carried out by immigrant labour? (Sorry.....labor)

[Slip]

Just now, PETERTHEEATER said:

But, will US citizens rush to fill up the menial tasks carried out by immigrant labour? (Sorry.....labor)

According to our friend Cryingdick, the denizens of NY are going to delighted to move out to the sticks and take on rural farming work.  Lets hope they don't spread any nasty contagious diseases when they get there.

[stevenl]

39 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Pretty much one and the same these days. Trump even said a year or more ago that open borders could lead to a pandemic and was scoffed at. The thought at the time was it was racist.  

No, of course not one and the same. It is simply immigration policy disguised as Covid-19 response.

[Cryingdick]

7 minutes ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

But, will US citizens rush to fill up the menial tasks carried out by immigrant labour? (Sorry.....labor)

 

Imagine you are in Manhattan 6 months from now. You have been unemployed 5 months. The government checks only happened once. You have exhausted your canned goods. When people get hungry things get funny. Suddenly a lot of things become doable. 

 

They would do the jobs for the same reason the migrants do them. There is simply no choice.

[Slip]

33 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

You need to realize that after the virus subsides the big issue is unemployment. So immigration policy meant to protect from the virus is also needed for that reason. Why would you want more workers coming when you have 60% unemployment?

I do take your point, but you need to recognise that immigration policy and short term measures to protect the health of the populace are quite separate things.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Slip said:

I do take your point, but you need to recognise that immigration policy and short term measures to protect the health of the populace are quite separate things.

 

I don't see the unemployment problem being short term. I am not certain at this point that some places in the USA are ever going to recover. 

[brokenbone]

i hope eu will follow suit and suspend it indefinitely

[AussieBob18]

17 minutes ago, Slip said:

The one you actually quoted.

You misunderstand the quote and who wrote it.  ????

 

You are taking the 'liberal view' that Trump is bad and is racist and is a nazi - and I know you will not change that view.

 

But I take the view that Trump is a rude arrogant New York billionaire who's heart is in the right place, and who is trying to do the right thing for most Americans.  I take the view that what he has been saying for decades, and what he said to get elected, and what he is doing as POTUS, is what is the right thing to do for most Americans.  I take the view that he is definitely 'clumsy' and not an experienced smooth-talking deceitful two-faced politician. And I take the view that is why he was elected and will be re-elected. I take the view that Trump is fighting against the grain and going against decades of liberal left-wing doctrine that has infested western societies - and they hate him for that.  I take the view that he is doing his best and that a weaker man would have succumbed to all the hatred and abuse by now. But I also take the view that he has done that, because he is a rude arrogant New York billionaire (water off a duck's back) - and I take the view that he is 'immune' to liberal hate.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

You misunderstand the quote and who wrote it.  ????

 

You are taking the 'liberal view' that Trump is bad and is racist and is a nazi - and I know you will not change that view.

 

But I take the view that Trump is a rude arrogant New York billionaire who's heart is in the right place, and who is trying to do the right thing for most Americans.  I take the view that what he has been saying for decades, and what he said to get elected, and what he is doing as POTUS, is what is the right thing to do for most Americans.  I take the view that he is definitely 'clumsy' and not an experienced smooth-talking deceitful two-faced politician. And I take the view that is why he was elected and will be re-elected. I take the view that Trump is fighting against the grain and going against decades of liberal left-wing doctrine that has infested western societies - and they hate him for that.  I take the view that he is doing his best and that a weaker man would have succumbed to all the hatred and abuse by now. But I also take the view that he has done that, because he is a rude arrogant New York billionaire (water off a duck's back) - and I take the view that he is 'immune' to liberal hate.

 

Well said.

[thaibeachlovers]

50 minutes ago, Slip said:

Really?  I had you down as smarter than that TBL.  I mean that NZ's decision is a short term reaction to a global pandemic and nothing whatsoever to do with immigration.  Quite the opposite of Trump's tub thumping anti-immigrant stance.

You are more generous with your assessment than I. There is no justification for continuing immigration with thousands of unemployed caused by a draconian lockdown, but I fear ideology will defeat common sense.

[Cryingdick]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are more generous with your assessment than I. There is no justification for continuing immigration with thousands of unemployed caused by a draconian lockdown, but I fear ideology will defeat common sense.

 

I think they just don't get it yet. They still think you can shelter in place for months and come out just fine. The implications that we are probably looking at rioting in a week or two doesn't dawn on them. 

 

It is no longer really in the hands of the government who are already pretty much relying on private companies to keep any semblance of order. Walmart and Amazon have basically replaced the government as emergency measures. The only problem is they require money.

[Slip]

3 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

You misunderstand the quote and who wrote it.  ????

 

You are taking the 'liberal view' that Trump is bad and is racist and is a nazi - and I know you will not change that view.

 

But I take the view that Trump is a rude arrogant New York billionaire who's heart is in the right place, and who is trying to do the right thing for most Americans.  I take the view that what he has been saying for decades, and what he said to get elected, and what he is doing as POTUS, is what is the right thing to do for most Americans.  I take the view that he is definitely 'clumsy' and not an experienced smooth-talking deceitful two-faced politician. And I take the view that is why he was elected and will be re-elected. I take the view that Trump is fighting against the grain and going against decades of liberal left-wing doctrine that has infested western societies - and they hate him for that.  I take the view that he is doing his best and that a weaker man would have succumbed to all the hatred and abuse by now. But I also take the view that he has done that, because he is a rude arrogant New York billionaire (water off a duck's back) - and I take the view that he is 'immune' to liberal hate.

Fair enough. However; I am not taking the view that Trump is a racist or a nazi even if some might.  I'm taking the view that the quote you ascribed to 'the bard' is not a Shakespeare quote and does not describe the situation you explained about the woman in your anecdote.

 

I take your points thereafter.  I'm not sure I can agree with them though. As far as the things he has been saying for decades are concerned- In your opinion are the things he says now any different to the things he was saying when he was identifying as a democrat?

[sukhumvitneon]

This EO has so many holes in it that it's completely pointless, like closing the barn door after the horse bolted from the stable.  US should've closed the border back in January, but then the WHO said on January 24th that corona could not be transmitted from person to person.

[mikebike]

19 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

I take the view that what he has been saying for decades...

Ok. So you both agree with Democrat Trump who championed universal health care in the 90s and republican Trump who wants to eliminate health care to millions currently. Sure, makes perfect sense.

[Cryingdick]

6 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Ok. So you both agree with Democrat Trump who championed universal health care in the 90s and republican Trump who wants to eliminate health care to millions currently. Sure, makes perfect sense.

 

Eliminate healthcare to all isn't the same as bankrupting the country to make it universally provided through the government. You think everybody has paid their hospital bills lately?

[stevenl]

30 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

You misunderstand the quote and who wrote it.  ????

 

You are taking the 'liberal view' that Trump is bad and is racist and is a nazi - and I know you will not change that view.

 

But I take the view that Trump is a rude arrogant New York billionaire who's heart is in the right place, and who is trying to do the right thing for most Americans.  I take the view that what he has been saying for decades, and what he said to get elected, and what he is doing as POTUS, is what is the right thing to do for most Americans.  I take the view that he is definitely 'clumsy' and not an experienced smooth-talking deceitful two-faced politician. And I take the view that is why he was elected and will be re-elected. I take the view that Trump is fighting against the grain and going against decades of liberal left-wing doctrine that has infested western societies - and they hate him for that.  I take the view that he is doing his best and that a weaker man would have succumbed to all the hatred and abuse by now. But I also take the view that he has done that, because he is a rude arrogant New York billionaire (water off a duck's back) - and I take the view that he is 'immune' to liberal hate.

Nobody more two-faced than Trump.

 

Disagree with a lot of the rest as well, but that one stood out, I find it incomprehensible someone can call politicians two-faced as a praise for Trump.

[AussieBob18]

18 minutes ago, Slip said:

Fair enough. However; I am not taking the view that Trump is a racist or a nazi even if some might.  I'm taking the view that the quote you ascribed to 'the bard' is not a Shakespeare quote and does not describe the situation you explained about the woman in your anecdote.

 

I take your points thereafter.  I'm not sure I can agree with them though. As far as the things he has been saying for decades are concerned- In your opinion are the things he says now any different to the things he was saying when he was identifying as a democrat?

Ok - I see - fair enough about my view and yours on Trump - different but OK.

 

Not the Bard?  'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'?  You are right - William Congreve - learn something every day.  How about: 'me doth think she protest just a little too much'? No - that aint it - that is about being virtous.  Any ideas?  

 

No Trump's views were not a lot different than back then. Trump identified more with Democrats than Republicans last century. Remember Bill made speeches about border protection? And Bill was very anti-China in his first term as POTUS. Something happened and Bill changed, and the Dems became more and more globalist (more money there?) and less and less concerned about borders (more votes there). Politics in USA very much changed with Clinton and then more post Clinton - in so many ways - the Parties went different ways. But the big thing for Trump who had decided (about 2009?) to run when it was 'the right time', was that the Dems electoral system was also changed - the Dem candidate to be selected was very much controlled by the DNC and the Leaders - not the Dem members.  So Trump went for the GOP where his views were more 'aligned' now, and where he had a chance to win candidancy.  He tried briefly in 2012 , to learn the 'system', but even then he could have won.  Trump became a GOP POTUS because he knew if he could convince enough GOP members, to become the POTUS candidate, his views and policies could win.  Many GOP Leaders, and definitely the GOP 'machine', did not want him - but the GOP members and supporters did by a long way. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by AussieBob18

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

This EO has so many holes in it that it's completely pointless, like closing the barn door after the horse bolted from the stable.  US should've closed the border back in January, but then the WHO said on January 24th that corona could not be transmitted from person to person.

"the WHO said on January 24th that corona could not be transmitted from person to person."

 

Not true, please provide the WHO quote in full and you'll see your presumption is incorrect.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nobody more two-faced than Trump.

 

Disagree with a lot of the rest as well, but that one stood out, I find it incomprehensible someone can call politicians two-faced as a praise for Trump.

 

Your side has been lying to you so long you seem to be able to differentiate it anymore. Trump lies all the time and hardly bothers to hide it. The politicians before him speak more eloquently but it's all lies. 

[AussieBob18]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nobody more two-faced than Trump.

Disagree with a lot of the rest as well, but that one stood out, I find it incomprehensible someone can call politicians two-faced as a praise for Trump.

I hear you - he is inconsistent - but he is also deliberately misquoted.  

But two-faced is definitely something that Obama had down to an art form - smooth talking forked-tongue that one.

 

Thai wife unhappy - we have to go to golf - hope to pick up the debate later.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Your side has been lying to you so long you seem to be able to differentiate it anymore. Trump lies all the time and hardly bothers to hide it. The politicians before him speak more eloquently but it's all lies. 

"you seem to be able to differentiate it anymore"

Thanks, as you say, I can differentiate. Missing something in your text?