Samut Prakan: Woman dies, 20 seriously ill after eating traders' "khanom jeep"

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Samut Prakan: Woman dies, 20 seriously ill after eating traders' "khanom jeep"

 

Picture: 77kaoded

 

Twenty people fell sick with food poisoning and one 66 year old woman died after eating the popular Thai snack "khanom jeep". 

 

The snack is a steamed pork dumpling eaten with soy sauce. 

 

Reporters went to the temple of Wat Nong Prue in Bang Plee district of Samut Prakan where 73 year old Prasert Oncharoen had been let out of hospital to perform bathing rites for his wife Thanu, 66, who succumbed to the food poisoning. 

 

Many in the family and about twenty in the area fell ill after eating the snack sold by a trader selling that and other food items on a motorcycle near a vegetable allotment on Wednesday afternoon. 

 

Symptoms took a while to show but by midnight many people were violently ill and in the morning several were hospitalized. The woman who died was allowed to go home but symptoms persisted and she died. 

 

Relatives said just one person in the family did not have khanom jeep and she was fine. 

 

A sample of the dipping sauce reportedly contained a poisonous substance, said the media as the family called for an investigation. 

 

Source: 77kaoded

 

 

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[JeffersLos]

11 minutes ago, webfact said:

A sample of the dipping sauce reportedly contained a poisonous substance

Plaraa? 

[overherebc]

I would think we would need to know first what the poisonous substance is.

There is a difference between toxic ( toxicant ) and toxin.

Edited May 11, 2020 by overherebc

[steven100]

oh dear ....

so it appears at this stage to be the soy dipping sauce, I suspect it was home made by the motorcycle cart vendor. 

A problem with these food sellers is they start at 9.00am and move around all day and the food sits in a glass cabinet stinking hot with the odd fly having morning tea on it and the vendor still sells that same sausage or crab stick or dumpling at 5.00pm .... some 8 hours later .....  what would one expect   ?

Edited May 11, 2020 by steven100

[overherebc]

Ok I'll be first.

I've only been been really sick once from eating street food in all the years I've been here.

I have to add that in all the years I've been here I've eaten street food only once.

[Relocated]

It said soy source and then dipping source. 

Which one is it?

[Relocated]

4 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Ok I'll be first.

I've only been been really sick once from eating street food in all the years I've been here.

I have to add that in all the years I've been here I've eaten street food only once.

I spent two weeks with candy and cookies for two weeks in Vietnam two years ago. 

It was frightening just by looking at it. 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Retarded

[Canuck1966]

17 minutes ago, steven100 said:

oh dear ....

so it appears at this stage to be the soy dipping sauce, I suspect it was home made by the motorcycle cart vendor. 

A problem with these food sellers is they start at 9.00am and move around all day and the food sits in a glass cabinet stinking hot with the odd fly having morning tea on it and the vendor still sells that same sausage or crab stick or dumpling at 5.00pm .... some 8 hours later .....  what would one expect   ?

On the beaches they deep fry prawns, squid and crab first thing in the morning

Then ride around all day with it on a tray in the red hot sun

Soggy, disgusting , rancid sea food. I'm not surprised Thais always have the squits, especially the women. Always complaining about stomach ache etc

[Canuck1966]

9 minutes ago, Retarded said:

It said soy source and then dipping source. 

Which one is it?

Need to find the source of the sauce

[ezzra]

It can only be a rotten tainted pork meat that they use in the preparation of this dish none of the other ingredients is poisonous...

[faraday]

7 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

On the beaches they deep fry prawns, squid and crab first thing in the morning

Then ride around all day with it on a tray in the red hot sun

Soggy, disgusting , rancid sea food. I'm not surprised Thais always have the squits, especially the women. Always complaining about stomach ache etc

Your last two sentences, are just not true.

[Enzian]

Got to be careful here. I've had food poisoning that put me in hospital (from a restaurant), and I've had e Coli from a restaurant that took weeks to recover because it was misdiagnosed at first.

[trainman34014]

1 hour ago, Enzian said:

Got to be careful here. I've had food poisoning that put me in hospital (from a restaurant), and I've had e Coli from a restaurant that took weeks to recover because it was misdiagnosed at first.

Ever looked inside a Restaurant Kitchen in South East Asia ?    If you had you would never eat in one !

[Trentham]

3 hours ago, overherebc said:

Ok I'll be first.

I've only been been really sick once from eating street food in all the years I've been here.

I have to add that in all the years I've been here I've eaten street food only once.

Rubbish! I eat street food all the time and in 15 years not once been sick from it. I have been very ill 3 times, once after fried rice with crab from a food court in Phitsanulok and twice from high end Italian restaurants in Bangkok.

[phantomfiddler]

1 hour ago, trainman34014 said:

Ever looked inside a Restaurant Kitchen in South East Asia ?    If you had you would never eat in one !

About 30 years ago a bunch of us found ourselves in a reputedly top class restaurant in central Rangoon. Being a seller of food in Thailand, I took a quick glance in the kitchen on the way out. There was no way of telling the material of the floor covering, tiles, wood, earth, who knows ? Whatever it was, the rack of lamb was spot-on and no-one got sick. I guess the trick is not to drop the food on the floor in the process ????

[khunken]

1 hour ago, Trentham said:

Rubbish! I eat street food all the time and in 15 years not once been sick from it. I have been very ill 3 times, once after fried rice with crab from a food court in Phitsanulok and twice from high end Italian restaurants in Bangkok.

I too have eaten street food for over 20 years here and never once have I had food poisoning. However, one thing I rarely do is add any sauce that's included as, from experience, it's always too sweet.

[Davo369]

Had food poisoning once, when i was in samui. First I thought my girlfriend at the time was trying to kill me. But remembered I had some food of a chicken stall

[overherebc]

2 hours ago, Trentham said:

Rubbish! I eat street food all the time and in 15 years not once been sick from it. I have been very ill 3 times, once after fried rice with crab from a food court in Phitsanulok and twice from high end Italian restaurants in Bangkok.

Timing from eating something that makes you ill can very from 8 to 48 hours. To know exactly what meal made you sick would require keeping a sample of every meal or snack you've had and having them checked along with whatever you've thrown up or squirted out.

To state what made you actually sick is at best a good guess without the above.

In this reported case it's easier because they appear to have the source of the food poisoning.

If one fly sh-ts on one of your prawns only and only you get sick and the other 5 guests don't get sick they will all say it can't have been the prawns, we're all ok.

Edited May 11, 2020 by overherebc

[steven100]

22 minutes ago, overherebc said:

If one fly sh-ts on one of your prawns

????

[overherebc]

12 minutes ago, steven100 said:

????

To be honest it doesn't actually have to sh-t. The way a fly eats it's to spit it's acidic saliva on the food and that makes a nice soft jelly of the food so the fly can easily suck it up to feed. There is also the delightful thought that it may have been standing on a dog poo and as far as I know they don't wipe their feet prior to landing.

[holy cow cm]

My guess is on putrid pork with the exterior of the yellow yummy shell having a serious pathogen festering in the heat.

[steven100]

8 minutes ago, overherebc said:

To be honest it doesn't actually have to sh-t. The way a fly eats it's to spit it's acidic saliva on the food and that makes a nice soft jelly of the food so the fly can easily suck it up to feed. There is also the delightful thought that it may have been standing on a dog poo and as far as I know they don't wipe their feet prior to landing.

more ????  

[transam]

3 hours ago, Trentham said:

Rubbish! I eat street food all the time and in 15 years not once been sick from it. I have been very ill 3 times, once after fried rice with crab from a food court in Phitsanulok and twice from high end Italian restaurants in Bangkok.

So you know who poisoned you...?

Do you eat once every two or three days to be so sure of the culprit.......?

[tifino]

... so many parallels...

 

[DPKANKAN]

7 hours ago, steven100 said:

oh dear ....

so it appears at this stage to be the soy dipping sauce, I suspect it was home made by the motorcycle cart vendor. 

A problem with these food sellers is they start at 9.00am and move around all day and the food sits in a glass cabinet stinking hot with the odd fly having morning tea on it and the vendor still sells that same sausage or crab stick or dumpling at 5.00pm .... some 8 hours later .....  what would one expect   ?

And don't forget the amount of times she went for a number 1 or 2 without washing her hands!!!????????????????????????????????

[steven100]

1 minute ago, DPKANKAN said:

And don't forget the amount of times she went for a number 1 or 2 without washing her hands!!!????????????????????????????????

????

[Trentham]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

So you know who poisoned you...?

Do you eat once every two or three days to be so sure of the culprit.......?

I knew when I contributed to this forum there would be some nitpickers out there who would have a go at me. So let me explain. Before retiring I was a qualified chef and have a good understanding of food hygiene. The day before leaving Bkk for Nan I had prepared all my own food. The morning I left my breakfast was just fresh fruit. I stopped at a food court at Tesco in Phitsanulok and bought my khao pad Poo. As I was eating it I felt something was wrong. By the time I was in Nan I was quite ill and remained so for 11 days. The doctors said it was definitely the rice. The next case was entirely my fault. I was in an Italian restaurant seated near a fine display of appetisers which were not refrigerated so I knew I was taking a risk. 6 hours later I was violently ill and had diarrhea. That continued for 6 hours and then I was OK. That is the classic symptom of salmonella poisoning - 6 hours to onset and 6 hours of illness. The third time was after eating at another Italian restaurant and I am assuming it was from there considering I have been eating street food for 15 years and have never been ill except those on 3 occasions. Surely if street food was so risky I would have been sick many more times.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Trentham said:

I knew when I contributed to this forum there would be some nitpickers out there who would have a go at me. So let me explain. Before retiring I was a qualified chef and have a good understanding of food hygiene. The day before leaving Bkk for Nan I had prepared all my own food. The morning I left my breakfast was just fresh fruit. I stopped at a food court at Tesco in Phitsanulok and bought my khao pad Poo. As I was eating it I felt something was wrong. By the time I was in Nan I was quite ill and remained so for 11 days. The doctors said it was definitely the rice. The next case was entirely my fault. I was in an Italian restaurant seated near a fine display of appetisers which were not refrigerated so I knew I was taking a risk. 6 hours later I was violently ill and had diarrhea. That continued for 6 hours and then I was OK. That is the classic symptom of salmonella poisoning - 6 hours to onset and 6 hours of illness. The third time was after eating at another Italian restaurant and I am assuming it was from there considering I have been eating street food for 15 years and have never been ill except those on 3 occasions. Surely if street food was so risky I would have been sick many more times.

So you've been a chef, so you know all about hygiene yet you eat from a street stalls that has no implementation of hygiene .....Hmmmmm...OK.????

[Almer]

7 hours ago, overherebc said:

Ok I'll be first.

I've only been been really sick once from eating street food in all the years I've been here.

I have to add that in all the years I've been here I've eaten street food only once.

Ok if i understand that correctly, you have only eaten street food once and you were ill once.

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

The woman who died was allowed to go home but symptoms persisted and she died. 

That's a bit questionable, letting her go home while symptoms persist?

Rip,