Tourism sector will only start recovering next year, say experts

[wazzupnow]

if these 'experts' are right there will be nothing left to recover

[P100]

China has it under control? They have right now an increase in new cases and media is talking about a second wave coming from the north of China.

 

If Thailand really opens the gates to Chinese only, it will be a great propaganda for Xijinping as it signals to the world how well he has done in comparison to the rest of the world! What a great gift !!!

 

They push and -with the help of backboneless Thai authorities and corrupt officials who have personal interest in supporting China, like Anutin and a bunch of others- they keep pushing the narative Chinese Corona was coming from elsewhere and Chinese were only victims.

 

Thais will once again send the wrong signal if they help China to whitewash itself instead holding them accountable for the worldwide mess they have caused.

 

But Thailand is owned by Chinese and -if not entirely by now- it will be so after they break into the hungry and suffering country and they buy Thailand for cheap cheap Chinese money!! Chinese locust menthality prevails.

Edited May 14, 2020 by P100

[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, Magenta408 said:

My opinion differs from the above comments. I think the rebound will be fast. It will take a month or two to get the kinks out but by the cool season, there will be a good flow of tourists from many destinations and welcome, they will be. The new middle class is in the Middle Kingdom and they have money to spend. That is the magic equation. 

I agree.  Herd immunity will be reached in many countries in a couple more months.  The death toll is still less than the Hong Kong flu of 1968-1969.  People with money will still want to travel.   The idea that everything stay shut down because older and immunosuppressed people are dying will wear thin (as it is in the U.S. now).  Hospitals are not overrun, simple measures like wearing masks and distancing are working.  There will be no logical or scientific reason to stay "shut down" after July-August.   

 

[johnarth]

DLuek you missed the hole point, China owns Thailand, that is the way the cookie crumbles, Australia is not far behind thank god the PM <deleted> himself when he realised how close we are (and said so on the news) so hoping for a change there

[P100]

23 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

I agree.  Herd immunity will be reached in many countries in a couple more months.  The death toll is still less than the Hong Kong flu of 1968-1969.  People with money will still want to travel.   The idea that everything stay shut down because older and immunosuppressed people are dying will wear thin (as it is in the U.S. now).  Hospitals are not overrun, simple measures like wearing masks and distancing are working.  There will be no logical or scientific reason to stay "shut down" after July-August.   

 

Nonsense. Herd immunity will not be reached anywhere as it requires 70-80% of the country's ENTIRE population to be infected. We will be nowhere near that number!!

 

And we don't even know whether there is an immunity and if so, for how many days, weeks or months.

 

Given a recovered person is immune for a month or two only, it helps nothing to stop the spread!! A real immunity for at least some years wil be required and as off now we don"t have any information about that, so the only thing that will stop the spread is a vaccine, and nothing else than a vaccine! Maybe next year. Maybe in two years. Maybe never.

Edited May 14, 2020 by P100

[Winky Wilson]

What is the name of  the expert?

[Accidental Tourist]

Tourism is depend on the overall economics, and they will not be so bright for the next future.

Thailand has to become a cheap and friendly destination again if they are looking for a fast recovering; as it was in the "break time"after the Asian crisis in 1998 (before that all was a bit sluggish).

Chinese or no Chinese is not an issue, a healthy mix is.

And tourist paying for their Covid Test or quarantine is simply insane for an industry which intent to make money with the arriving customers, and try to punish them for it. That's the new kind of HOSPITALITY we are looking for in our business...

[racket]

I can't believe authorities actually believe the fake Chinese numbers, and btw, the Chinese are still in lockdown so they won't be allowed to travel anytime soon. The tourism sector is officially dead and just like the article pointed out: everything will only go back to normal when there's a vaccine available, but that also means Thailand enforce arrivals to be vaccinated prior to them coming.

 

It's important to understand that it takes 10-15 years to develop a vaccine effective against a pandemic and so by the time we have a light version of a vaccine which according to estimates "might happen" within a year from now it will take months if not years to vaccinate populations all around the world. Economically speaking, the Chinese are bankrupt, and the europeans are in economic depression with thousands mourning - you think they will be happy to travel soon? Think again! 

 

The tourism sector is officially dead for now, and will be for at least 3 years. Just like it took 3 years after 9/11 for the airline and tourism sector to recover, it will surely take longer this time around. 

 

Nǐ hǎo!

[blix99]

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

check post #20 and additionally below

 

Reuters ---- https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-wuhan-kicks-off-mass-112806266.html

China's Wuhan kicks off mass testing campaign for new coronavirus

Yawen Chen and Ryan Woo

ReutersMay 13, 2020, 6:28 PM GMT+7

Thanks for the link. 

[Traubert]

4 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Since the Chinese yuan is pegged to the USD—at today’s overpriced Baht rate, I don’t believe millions of Chinese will bother to come.  Surely they can find better deals in their Cambodian colony...

Nope, they will come, rest assured. ????

[DJ54]

12 hours ago, webfact said:

fewer tourists even after the government lifts travel restrictions

No outgoing or incoming Int’l flights until maybe July 1... so 

that’s about right long tail boat China to Thailand minimal headwinds should arrive early next year....

[tribalfusion001]

The Chinese may not be allowed out of the country and possibility of bringing the virus back in to China.

 

The WHO is now saying the virus may never go away and could be here for 4 or 5 years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52643682

[WillyPlatt]

Thailand has to lift travel restrictions before any of us will return.

When the pandemic ends? Will someone ring a bell?

The Chinese are going to flood the place by the plane load. Trust me.

Farangs will be months behind.

[WillyPlatt]

17 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The Chinese may not be allowed out of the country and possibility of bringing the virus back in to China.

 

The WHO is now saying the virus may never go away and could be here for 4 or 5 years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52643682

Never go away is not 4 or 5 years.

[Rimmer]

A troll post with a Trump meme removed

[brokenbone]

8 hours ago, sahibji said:

all these are guesses at this stage as no one can definitively say when the corona virus will be eradicated. tourism flow will depend largely on that and with no medication or vaccination in sight, it is purely guess work which is not going to help anybody.

it took some 500 years to eradicate smallpox

[JensenZ]

14 hours ago, webfact said:

Tourism has been hit the hardest by the Covid-19 outbreak, with most tourists having disappeared and operators losing 80 to 90 per cent of their income.

Did he just wake up from a deep sleep? Last I saw there were zero tourists and even the few stragglers that can't get home are locked down so tight they cannot even visit the beach. Operators have lost 100% of their income (not 80 - 90%), and many if not most will have gone broke and will not be able to open again even if some tourists return. Apart from that, how are they going to pay their bills while waiting for customers to reach a profitable level as tourist slowly trickle back?

 

14 hours ago, webfact said:

“TCT predicts that the number of tourists in 2021 will match the number in 2019. Hence, it is important for operators in the tourism sector to start preparing for the influx,” Thanate said.

I don't know where he got his crystal ball, but he should find a replacement. If tourist numbers ever get back to 2019 levels, it will take many years. As the tourism sector in all countries has ground to a halt, they'll be a lot of competition for tourists when people start travelling again. Other countries are offering support packages to keep their tourism sector alive. What is Thailand doing? Crystal balls and wishful thinking?

 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by JensenZ

[WillyPlatt]

Europe wants internal tourism this summer. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardBarrow?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

This is the experience of a woman who spent 7 hours getting through Hong Kong airport on arrival. This included mobile tracking app and tracking bracelet.

Who in their right mind is going to travel internationally?

[3NUMBAS]

everywhere will need dire suport next year as the shoveling of money into the deep hole will run out as nowhere to borrow the readies shows its head..

[WillyPlatt]

6 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

everywhere will need dire suport next year as the shoveling of money into the deep hole will run out as nowhere to borrow the readies shows its head..

A World Health Organisation representative has said that the pandemic could run for 4 to 5 years.

There won't be a world economy left let alone a Pattaya to visit.

 

[Bangkok Barry]

16 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

"Most foreign nationals will not be allowed to enter Thailand for most of this year," I hope he is wrong.

Chinese only allowed. Interesting, isn't it. The article states that others are not welcome. No matter what their figures during the pandemic. Chinese only. And if the Chinese don't come, and why should they?.....

[Bangkok Barry]

If most foreigners are to be banned from entering Thailand until the end of the year then it must follow that everyone in Thailand who has a visa/permission to stay that has been extended until 31st July will now have that extended further until 2021. After all, border runs will be out of the question as we wouldn't be allowed to return. Unless we are Chinese.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Bangkok Barry

[tribalfusion001]

2 hours ago, WillyPlatt said:

Europe wants internal tourism this summer. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardBarrow?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

This is the experience of a woman who spent 7 hours getting through Hong Kong airport on arrival. This included mobile tracking app and tracking bracelet.

Who in their right mind is going to travel internationally?

I read this on BBC news, I'll travel, but not to countries that have mandatory tracking wristbands. If Thailand does this, then I'll go somewhere else.

[JackThompson]

12 hours ago, Mikeasq60 said:

This is my take on tourism returning. Open Thailand for tourism and it'll go back the way it was quickly just open it up and see!

If you mean "the way it was pre-2014" - yes.  That would be a lifesaver for millions of Thais.  Even better if they got rid of the whole "visa run" canard, and used the Philippine "renew in country" system. 

 

But I don't think immigration will do it, unless TAT can convince the Cabinet to order them to - like they had to with the covid-extension, after immigration blew-up the initial covid-extension system with "landlord-docs / come with" roadblocks, "under consideration" requiring a 2nd visit, etc.

Edited May 14, 2020 by JackThompson

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

If most foreigners are to be banned from entering Thailand until the end of the year then it must follow that everyone in Thailand who has a visa/permission to stay that has been extended until 31st July will now have that extended further until 2021. After all, border runs will be out of the question as we wouldn't be allowed to return. Unless we are Chinese.

I am sure Cambodia, Vietnam, the PI, etc will welcome those not able to return to Thailand, if "exit only" were to be the case after July 31.

[JackThompson]

8 hours ago, P100 said:

Nonsense. Herd immunity will not be reached anywhere as it requires 70-80% of the country's ENTIRE population to be infected. We will be nowhere near that number!!

 

And we don't even know whether there is an immunity and if so, for how many days, weeks or months.

 

Given a recovered person is immune for a month or two only, it helps nothing to stop the spread!! A real immunity for at least some years wil be required and as off now we don"t have any information about that, so the only thing that will stop the spread is a vaccine, and nothing else than a vaccine! Maybe next year. Maybe in two years. Maybe never.

If you don't develop immunity, a vaccine won't work. 
More like 50% to 60% for a herd-immunity level - so let's get all the healthy folks immune ASAP!! 

 

Only the elderly/infirm need to self-isolate.  The sooner we get immune, the virus dies out, the sooner they can rejoin public-life.

 

The hospitals are laying off staff in record-numbers in the USA - joining the other millions de-employed by-shutdown.

 

6 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The WHO is now saying the virus may never go away and could be here for 4 or 5 years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52643682

They would say that, wouldn't they?  And all their other predictions were so accurate. /sarc/

[WillyPlatt]

3 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

If you don't develop immunity, a vaccine won't work. 
More like 50% to 60% for a herd-immunity level - so let's get all the healthy folks immune ASAP!! 

 

Only the elderly/infirm need to self-isolate.  The sooner we get immune, the virus dies out, the sooner they can rejoin public-life.

 

The hospitals are laying off staff in record-numbers in the USA - joining the other millions de-employed by-shutdown.

 

They would say that, wouldn't they?  And all their other predictions were so accurate. /sarc/

There is no guarantee that you cannot get infected again just like the common cold.

The scientists don't know.

I doubt Vietnam, Cambodia and PI will be any different.

I could stick Vietnam for a week. The other 2 i wouldn't even bother.

 

[Analogue Photographer]

"Tourism sector will only start recovering next year

 

Has anyone given any thought to whether the deeply ingrained, bigoted - charading as Buddhist, anti-western, anti-liberal, but especially the bigotry, will in any way "recover" for quite a lot of that nation, into a self-reflection of our human interconnectedness, and interdependence, our shared global existence, etc, that COVID-19 has thrust at us all, so rudely? A re-evaluation of foreign people?? Not for at least a generation

[mikebell]

22 hours ago, Old Croc said:

The number comes from the year it was identified.

You may be joking about it, but many readers don't understand how it works.

I was joking, but must confess my ignorance.  Thanks for the enlightenment.

Edited May 14, 2020 by mikebell
spelling error.

[Keyser Soze666]

14 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

If most foreigners are to be banned from entering Thailand until the end of the year then it must follow that everyone in Thailand who has a visa/permission to stay that has been extended until 31st July will now have that extended further until 2021. After all, border runs will be out of the question as we wouldn't be allowed to return. Unless we are Chinese.

Yep, goes without saying really, or at least it should!