Sweden - is the rest of the world dumb, blind or worse ?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, steelepulse said:

You're absolutely right, as in when the second and third waves hit and we come to find out Sweden has gone through the virus and the rest of the countries haven't.  Then these lockdown countries will be seeing more cases.

 

One way or another, the virus is going to go through the population at some point in time.  

 

 

You are assuming that there is effective immunity to be had after infection and that most Swedes will have it. You may be right..and you maybe wrong.

[UbonThani]

27 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Nauseus

 

Yes it is 8th.  However look at the additional chart.  The death toll of the other countries which had TOTAL LOCKDOWNS is not materially lower.  In addition 50% of the deaths in Sweden were in nursing homes and Sweden was slow in taking measures to safeguard the vulnerable.  Also, Swedens median age is 41.2 which is 10% older than the USA but its death rate is not materially higher.  The older the population the higher the death rate.  Looking at the countries with high death rates you have median ages  Spain 44.2, Italy 45.2, Belgium 41.2, UK 40.2, France 41.4  Sweden 41.2.  Now compare that to Vietnam 0 deaths median age 30.5, Nigeria 182 deaths median age 17.9, Kazakhstan 34 deaths, median age 29.4, Yemen, 20 deaths median age 20.2,  India 3029 deaths, median age 26.8. 

 

 

Two facts are startlingly clear.  The LOCK DOWN OR LACK OF ONE has little to no effect on the virus.  Even in New York which has 50% of the USA cornovirus deaths 66% of cases were coming from people who were totally LOCKED DOWN.  Second, the average temperature of the country and its median age has FAR FAR FAR Far more to do with the spread of the disease and its death rate.  Vietman with 97 million people has zero deaths, Thailand with 70 million has only 56 deaths.  

The countries with the HIGHEST death rates are those with more moderate temperatures which of course Sweden would be one of them along with Spain, Italy, UK, Belgium, France which additionally have populations with the highest median age.  Translation, protect the elderly and GET THE ECONOMY OPEN.  LOCK DOWNS HAVE ZERO EFFECTIVENESS. 

 

well said!

[nauseus]

14 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Nauseus

 

Yes it is 8th.  However look at the additional chart.  The death toll of the other countries which had TOTAL LOCKDOWNS is not materially lower.  In addition 50% of the deaths in Sweden were in nursing homes and Sweden was slow in taking measures to safeguard the vulnerable.  Also, Swedens median age is 41.2 which is 10% older than the USA but its death rate is not materially higher.  The older the population the higher the death rate.  Looking at the countries with high death rates you have median ages  Spain 44.2, Italy 45.2, Belgium 41.2, UK 40.2, France 41.4  Sweden 41.2.  Now compare that to Vietnam 0 deaths median age 30.5, Nigeria 182 deaths median age 17.9, Kazakhstan 34 deaths, median age 29.4, Yemen, 20 deaths median age 20.2,  India 3029 deaths, median age 26.8. 

 

 

Two facts are startlingly clear.  The LOCK DOWN OR LACK OF ONE has little to no effect on the virus.  Even in New York which has 50% of the USA cornovirus deaths 66% of cases were coming from people who were totally LOCKED DOWN.  Second, the average temperature of the country and its median age has FAR FAR FAR Far more to do with the spread of the disease and its death rate.  Vietman with 97 million people has zero deaths, Thailand with 70 million has only 56 deaths.  

The countries with the HIGHEST death rates are those with more moderate temperatures which of course Sweden would be one of them along with Spain, Italy, UK, Belgium, France which additionally have populations with the highest median age.  Translation, protect the elderly and GET THE ECONOMY OPEN.  LOCK DOWNS HAVE ZERO EFFECTIVENESS. 

 

There are many variables that influence the effect of this virus. You have picked out the ones which you think suit your argument. In New York the high number of cases were due to rampant transmission and spread before the lockdown. I agree that higher temperatures will limit the spread of the disease but the countries with the highest infection and death rates that you mention are those where temperatures were still low when the main spread occurred (i.e. Jan/Feb/Mar). Now Sweden, and most other countries, have gone for some form of lockdown, therefore you can't say that lockdowns have no effect on the (spread of the) virus.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Try ordering an Aussie about and see what happens.

Are you an Aussie? If not how would you know?

 

13 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

And the people of Australia, Canada, Denmark, New Zealand etc. do not value freedom either?

 

13 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

They must have been doing something right because their pandemic  management results are tilting towards good and  no one is running about  threatening violence.

You are obviously not in NZ.

 

13 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Theirs has been a caring and responsible approach taking into account civil liberties, and freedom while balancing it against the needs of the vulnerable.

and you know that because? Most, IMO are doing it because they don't want to be arrested, prosecuted and punished. Given half a chance some have been partying en mass during lockdown.

 

13 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

There is a reason why they are some of the  happiest, least corrupt countries on the planet.

You ain't talking about NZ there. I could tell some tales about NZ government corruption, but I'm sure they can be found easily enough on the internet if interested.

Happy? NZ? Been reading the government propaganda by any chance?

[UbonThani]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you an Aussie? If not how would you know?

 

 

You are obviously not in NZ.

 

and you know that because? Most, IMO are doing it because they don't want to be arrested, prosecuted and punished. Given half a chance some have been partying en mass during lockdown.

 

You ain't talking about NZ there. I could tell some tales about NZ government corruption, but I'm sure they can be found easily enough on the internet if interested.

Happy? NZ? Been reading the government propaganda by any chance?

Aussies are bored

outside melb/syd hardly anyone has it

 

open up

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Now Sweden, and most other countries, have gone for some form of lockdown, therefore you can't say that lockdowns have no effect on the (spread of the) virus.

Of course lockdowns have an effect, but they only postpone the infection of most people, and do not stop it. Only herd immunity reduces it to the same level of "normality" as the flu, which kills hundreds of thousands but does not cause global lockdown.

[UbonThani]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

There are many variables that influence the effect of this virus. You have picked out the ones which you think suit your argument. In New York the high number of cases were due to rampant transmission and spread before the lockdown. I agree that higher temperatures will limit the spread of the disease but the countries with the highest infection and death rates that you mention are those where temperatures were still low when the main spread occurred (i.e. Jan/Feb/Mar). Now Sweden, and most other countries, have gone for some form of lockdown, therefore you can't say that lockdowns have no effect on the (spread of the) virus.

he picked good factors

age main factor

climate a factor

 

illness is another

 

 

[Odysseus123]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course lockdowns have an effect, but they only postpone the infection of most people, and do not stop it. Only herd immunity reduces it to the same level of "normality" as the flu, which kills hundreds of thousands but does not cause global lockdown.

And your medical/scientific qualifications are...?

 

You are posting from (or so you say) one of the most heavily locked down nations on the planet?

[pineapple01]

Expect anything from a Nation that sold Volvo to another Country.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course lockdowns have an effect, but they only postpone the infection of most people, and do not stop it. Only herd immunity reduces it to the same level of "normality" as the flu, which kills hundreds of thousands but does not cause global lockdown.

Once again herd immunity is relied on almost as a human right with this novel virus, which is certainly not the same a regular flu. Your solution avoids the moral question of "can we just knowingly let a lot of people die?". If things just open up and we have no lockdowns at all then the number of deaths this year will become far higher than the total fatalities to date - if that did happen then how many governments around the world would be re-elected next time round?

 

Right or wrong, politics is at the back of all this (with a few morals mixed in if you can believe that?).

 

 

[yuyiinthesky]

34 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You are assuming that there is effective immunity to be had after infection and that most Swedes will have it. You may be right..and you maybe wrong.

Looking at immunity and all other corona viruses it is to be expected that SARS-CoV-2 behaves the same and there is a good level of immunity.

[faraday]

3 hours ago, DeadBite said:

Even geriatrickid cannot post a good microscope picture of a virus, no matter how long his paragraphs are. Virology is a science with no balls, which is becoming dangerous.

There is disease, but no viral disease.

Read this:

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158179

 

Viral diseases

Viruses cause many human diseases.

These include:

smallpox

the common cold and different types of flu

measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, and shingles

hepatitis"

 

 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

he picked good factors

age main factor

climate a factor

 

illness is another

 

 

I already agreed with the climate effect on transmission.

 

Age and illness (comorbidity) are factors that will contribute to a higher death rate. Not the same thing.

[faraday]

And this:

 

https://www.healthgrades.com/right-care/infections-and-contagious-diseases/viral-diseases

 

@DeadBite

[yuyiinthesky]

6 minutes ago, pineapple01 said:

Expect anything from a Nation that sold Volvo to another Country.

Yeah, it was the worst and most stupid thing to let that happen. And not just to “another country”, but to ... China !!! Huge mistake!

[Aland]

On 5/16/2020 at 12:27 PM, simple1 said:

Time for people to catch up with what's actually currently happening in Sweden. Sweden's per capita death rate from Covid-19 is among the highest in the world, Sweden is also facing a bad economic outcome due to Covid.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-coronavirus-per-capita-death-rate-among-highest-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

 

 

Way to gaslight bud, Belgium’s deaths per million is more then double Sweden’s. The UK, Italy, France and Spain are all higher then Sweden, nice try but most of us know how to google.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Aland

[Odysseus123]

13 minutes ago, DeadBite said:

It wasn't racist. You are a boy because you keep making fun of something you don't understand, and you keep submitting to authorities like a boy, because you know no better and are too lazy to start checking I guess.
Keep it up

Bwa..ha..ha-what are you some ancient idiot savant from the KKK?

 

The use of the word" boy" towards others is of course an insult-as you know very well.

 

Now..what exactly are your academic,scientific/medical qualifications?

 

Instead of talking the talk let's walk the walk...

[yuyiinthesky]

7 minutes ago, faraday said:

Read this:

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/158179

 

Viral diseases

Viruses cause many human diseases.

These include:

smallpox

the common cold and different types of flu

measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, and shingles

hepatitis"

 

 

He asked for a real picture, I assume he does not want the usual artist impressions, but a real clear photo of an isolated virus. I’m curious now, I’d like to see such a real picture too, especially from HIV or SARS-CoV-2. Where is it?

[Odysseus123]

16 minutes ago, pineapple01 said:

Expect anything from a Nation that sold Volvo to another Country.

Whatever..

[paulikens]

On 5/16/2020 at 8:38 AM, simple1 said:

Not what the official Swedish Covid guidance site states.

 

Who should be tested for COVID-19?

The healthcare services in Sweden prioritise the following groups:

• Hospitalised patients
• Health or elderly care personnel with suspected COVID-19

 

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/testing-vaccination-and-treatment/

 

As an indication in Scotland 30% die from Covid once admitted to intensive care.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-

 

 

 

 

in your in intensive care then unfortunately you are obviously in a pretty bad way

[UbonThani]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If things just open up and we have no lockdowns at all then the number of deaths this year will become far higher than the total fatalities to date

Thats not so. Most countries few cases.

[paulikens]

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Once again herd immunity is relied on almost as a human right with this novel virus, which is certainly not the same a regular flu. Your solution avoids the moral question of "can we just knowingly let a lot of people die?". If things just open up and we have no lockdowns at all then the number of deaths this year will become far higher than the total fatalities to date - if that did happen then how many governments around the world would be re-elected next time round?

 

Right or wrong, politics is at the back of all this (with a few morals mixed in if you can believe that?).

 

 

we knowingly let a lot of people die every year through flu,why dont we lockdown every year when its flu season? and im far from saying we shouldnt have done nothing far from it but this is way too extreme shutting the world down. makes no sense. whatever happen to 'life goes on'?

[yuyiinthesky]

6 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Bwa..ha..ha-what are you some ancient idiot savant from the KKK?

 

The use of the word" boy" towards others is of course an insult-as you know very well.

 

Now..what exactly are your academic,scientific/medical qualifications?

 

Instead of talking the talk let's walk the walk...

Please stop the bickering and get over it. 

[UbonThani]

10 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Bwa..ha..ha-what are you some ancient idiot savant from the KKK?

 

The use of the word" boy" towards others is of course an insult-as you know very well.

 

Now..what exactly are your academic,scientific/medical qualifications?

 

Instead of talking the talk let's walk the walk...

Burt Newton called Ali boy

[UbonThani]

1 minute ago, paulikens said:

we knowingly let a lot of people die every year through flu,why dont we lockdown every year when its flu season? and im far from saying we shouldnt have done nothing far from it but this is way too extreme shutting the world down. makes no sense. whatever happen to 'life goes on'?

cause pollies are guessing

[faraday]

@yuyiinthesky

 

@DeadBite

 

 

 

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-what-the-covid-19-virus-looks-like-under-electron-microscopes

 

 

[UbonThani]

3 minutes ago, faraday said:

@yuyiinthesky

 

@DeadBite

 

 

 

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-what-the-covid-19-virus-looks-like-under-electron-microscopes

 

 

van gogh

[simple1]

40 minutes ago, Aland said:

Way to gaslight bud, Belgium’s deaths per million is more then double Sweden’s. The UK, Italy, France and Spain are all higher then Sweden, nice try but most of us know how to google.

Never claimed Sweden had the highest death rate from Covid. "bud" - lol

Edited May 18, 2020 by simple1

[simple1]

21 minutes ago, paulikens said:

we knowingly let a lot of people die every year through flu

Unless you're referring to Living Wills, from where did you source that info?

[Odysseus123]

27 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Please stop the bickering and get over it. 

Ah..of course..

 

Meanwhile back to the fiction -however dramatic,turgid and worthless-that you are posting...eh?

Edited May 18, 2020 by Odysseus123