Covid-19: Keep the "dangerous" pubs and bars shut say the majority of Thais in poll

[Road Warrior]

agreed keep bars.pub closed 

[JackThompson]

5 hours ago, CNXexpat said:

Do you know how a representative survey works? Usually they are with a +-2,5% correct. 

 

If they would ask 200,000 people of 70 million, some people would call it as not enough. 

 

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Because you do not understand the methodology of statistical sampling doesn't mean it is not valid. There is a methodology of sampling that becomes representative of a population, with a stated 'confidence level'.

To get it right, requires getting the regional/demographic/income-levels/etc - and enough sample-size in each (relative to their size), to then extrapolate for the whole population. 

THEN comes the "how the question is asked" part - which is critical.  If you say, "Do you want the bars open or your grandma to die?" - very different from - "Given the new data shows an overall death rate from covid is similar to the annual flu, and significantly lower for those under 60 in good health ...."

[connda]

Absolutely.  Close them forever. Well, except for private clubs of the elites.  Those need to stay open although never talked about.

 

[JackThompson]

33 minutes ago, saakura said:

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Thai logic, you wear a mask on crowded trains.

Farang logic, dont wear the mask and die in the thousands.

Masks on the trains, I hope we keep - especially since they don't add more cars during rush hour, so it is packed to the gills - though the stations are long enough to handle them.  Bars/Discos closed?  Doesn't affect me personally.  Having 10 people breathing on me on the train does, though - and I'd like to avoid regular colds/flus year-round.

[connda]

In other polls, three fourths of all respondents say that they no longer want Thailand to be a tourist destination and all fun activities geared toward foreign tourists should be banned.  News at 6.

[sitti]

I don't see what the big deal is. They're not banning alcohol. Just drink at home.

[JackThompson]

5 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

They will have to adjust to the reality and adapt as nobody will be travelling on holiday for a while.

 

Those heavily invested in the hospitality industry will suffer.

 

As I and others suffered during the oil and gas downturn in 2013.

 

It happens. 

There is another thread on how that harm could be greatly reduced, but I doubt our ideas will be taken into account:

 

[Soikhaonoiken]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Thailand can survive without foreign tourists for a year or two.

I doubt that very much, its only been about 10 weeks since the borders shut, and the Country is feeling the strain already, and what about all the Thai people who rely on on tourist do you expect them to queue up for food hand outs for the next 1-2 years, and the long term affects that would have on other business 

[bronzedude]

6 hours ago, Wiggy said:

I’m more afraid of being crammed In on public transport than sat a few feet away from people in a pub. 

I'm with you. Let's asked the Thais if they want to shut down public transport? Let's ask them is it yes or no to health?

[Jack P]

It’s easy to say this kind of thing if you’re not one of the ones losing your job or your business.

[GeniusFarang]

Next time poll people who aren’t uneducated and don’t have half a brain - you know the ones who aren’t idiots sucking at the mainstream media’s fear mongering BS. The ones that could give a rats a$$ about a virus with a 99% survival rate. 
 

Next time poll the bar owners, beauticians or the massage owners trying to make a living. 
 

When you only poll idiots you will only get idiot responses rooted in idiot irrational behavior and thought process.

Edited May 18, 2020 by GeniusFarang

[Guitar God]

I'm impressed and a bit surprised that there are so many rational Thais out there who think that lives are more important than drinking alcohol in bars. Maybe last month's alcohol ban allowed people to have a moment of clarity. Of course rooms full of drunk people without masks on in the middle of a pandemic is going to cause a surge in the number of infections and deaths.

[brucec64]

2 hours ago, Ranshoko said:

How can you prove your statement?

Maybe with a poll?

[tomauasia]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Given most of us dont drink and drive then what is the difference between sitting together in a bar or sitting together in a coffee shop?

Yes his comment is stupid. I don't drink train but in the odd moment enjoy a night out. No weak virus going to ruin my life. They using this virus as a excuse to change Thailand for the worst. He will be in the history books as the great destroyer 

[sitti]

5 minutes ago, bronzedude said:

I'm with you. Let's asked the Thais if they want to shut down public transport? Let's ask them is it yes or no to health?

Smart, that is a fair comparison. A pub also can get you from home to work.

[Miami007]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems there are extreme few infected people in Thailand. So who is going to infect whom?

As long a no "outsiders" arrive who bring the virus the risk is minimal.

So it seems the most important issue is: Keep the borders closed. And/or anybody who comes to Thailand must be tested and/or quarantined.

That is obviously inconvenient for the people who want to come to Thailand. But the best way to make sure there are no new infections.

Thailand can survive without foreign tourists for a year or two.

 

As tourism is 20% of GDP, you would lower living standards by roughly that amount. Survive, yes - but not living as well. But you probably don't care about the millions of Thai people who will lose their jobs. Eventually,  it will impact you, too

 

Funny that Thailand didn't have any infections when the virus was confined to China and Chinese tourists were allowed to enter in February and January.  It only became an issue once the virus became a problem in Europe...

[GeniusFarang]

Just now, Guitar God said:

I'm impressed and a bit surprised that there are so many rational Thais out there who think that lives are more important than drinking alcohol in bars. Maybe last month's alcohol ban allowed people to have a moment of clarity. Of course rooms full of drunk people without masks on in the middle of a pandemic is going to cause a surge in the number of infections and deaths.

There aren’t rational, that’s why they are living in fear over a 99% survival rate virus. A rational being would say hmm there’s more destruction and health risk that will come from a destroyed economy than there ever can be had from a 1% death rate “flu”. 
 

The uneducated and impoverished are the easiest to fool and are always the most Passive with government control. welcome the human race the last several hundred years. 

[tomauasia]

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The elite are not.

There are billionaires wanting tourism opened now. This elite term is <deleted> absolute. It's a bunch of army old timers who know nothing about running a tourism country. So they sell out to China. Muay Thai fighters will do a better job. Dignity 

Edited May 18, 2020 by tomauasia

[tomauasia]

9 minutes ago, GeniusFarang said:

Next time poll people who aren’t uneducated and don’t have half a brain - you know the ones who aren’t idiots sucking at the mainstream media’s fear mongering BS. The ones that could give a rats a$$ about a virus with a 99% survival rate. 
 

necr time poll the bar owners, or the massage owners trying to make a living. 
 

When you only poll idiots you will only get idiot responses. 

They poll at gov house and barracks

[tomauasia]

24 minutes ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

I doubt that very much, its only been about 10 weeks since the borders shut, and the Country is feeling the strain already, and what about all the Thai people who rely on on tourist do you expect them to queue up for food hand outs for the next 1-2 years, and the long term affects that would have on other business 

Yes he needs medical help dosent know Thailand 

[aspenbkk]

6 hours ago, Henryford said:

Keep the bars closed but let in millions of Chinese from Wuhan. Makes sense.

You are correct they can't wait to open the gates for the Chinese but Farang don't come in. 

[khaowong1]

6 hours ago, CNXexpat said:

As a non-native English speaker: what does the "some" means? Makes no sense for me.

 

Here is no "some".

 

 

Some nam pla?  

[CNXexpat]

1 minute ago, aspenbkk said:

You are correct they can't wait to open the gates for the Chinese but Farang don't come in. 

No Chinese will come before July. South Korea, China, Japan and Hong Kong are taken from the Red List, because their new Covid cases are not so high right now - opposite the US and European countries. 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

2 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Keep 'em closed. What good do they do for society? Farang's go out and get <deleted> out of the minds in bars, then drive home drunk; it seems to be their only joy in life. Perhaps permanently closing the damned bars would help them find other things to do. Why couldn't you socialise on a coffee bar for example during the day?

Given most of us dont drink and drive then what is the difference between sitting together in a bar or sitting together in a coffee shop?

Come on... Don't spoil some good old fashioned idiotic bigotry with common sense...

[connda]

They need to keep the bars and clubs closed and keep all the hundreds of thousands of Thai citizens who work in that industry out of work.  Then as they become desperate, they can be sent to work in the fields and farms and take on all the lowly work done by Burmese and Cambodians for even less money as the borders between countries are remained closed.  And think of all the souls being saved from certain Damnation from indulging in the deadly drink leading to fornication, gambling, and worse. 

Everyone should strive to be good moral non-drinkers like Uncle Tu who understands how to live a spiritual life and from whence to draws one's power.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, Paul DS said:

What rubbish! I don't believe this for a second! 

 

Many Thais rely on the tourist industry and not for one moment do I think they want the Bars shut!  Take a vote in Tourist areas and you would see a major difference in the voting!

 

Of course I understand the need for Virus control / protection, but if the amount of new infections are virtually nil then why are they so firmly strangling the country?

 

This is purely a vote for the Elite and the Junta to continue to control the poor etc.

 

 

 

 

I really don't think it is aimed at the "Farang bar hounds", or to be frank the poor. If you can tear yourselves away from the few tourist "strips" in Bangkok and Pattaya, the bar/pub/club scene in Thailand is very much the haunt of young, educated, professional people. The poor don't drink in pubs and clubs, relatively few of them work in them. Young middle class people do go to and enjoy pubs and clubs, and they also provide the entrepreneurs who start up and run them.

 

They also are extremely prominent amongst those who supported the "Future Forward Party" last year. They must be constantly reminded who are in charge!

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, aspenbkk said:

You are correct they can't wait to open the gates for the Chinese but Farang don't come in. 

How do you know that? what connections do you have in the Thai Government that told you this?

 

Or are you exercising your right to spout unfounded and negatively biased opinion as fact?

 

 

When things do open up, I imagine Thailand may favor those nations which are free of Covid-19 above those who still have high case loads. If that's China so be it. If China has a huge second wave and thats the UK or Europe, so be it.

 

Looking at the global stats I can see a situation whereby those from China, South Korea and Asean nations with low Covid-19 case loads to be let back in before those from Europe and the US etc with higher case loads - that just makes sense.

 

Additionally your point above, which seems to indicate that Chinese are favored over 'Farang' the majority of tourists from Western nations do no require a visa to enter Thailand (on a Visa Exempt stamp) yet the Chinese Tourists have to pay for a Visa on arrival - how does that fit into your 'they don't want Farang' bias ?

 

There are so many people on these forums writing such absolutely idiotic and bias rubbish with giving second thought to how flawed their comments are.

 

 

 

 

[Max69xl]

8 hours ago, unamazedloso said:

No Curfew in the part of Kanchanaburi that i reside. Started off great and got a good nights sleep but now its hell. People flying past our house all hours. My suggestion would be not having compotent police is far more dangerous but what do i know....?

Most Thais dont want these places shut. Maybe muslims or misfits...?

The curfew is nationwide and include every part of Thailand. 

[tribalfusion001]

5 minutes ago, connda said:

They need to keep the bars and clubs closed and keep all the hundreds of thousands of Thai citizens who work in that industry out of work.  Then as they become desperate, they can be sent to work in the fields and farms and take on all the lowly work done by Burmese and Cambodians for even less money as the borders between countries are remained closed. 

This is closer to the truth. They won't need immigrant workers as the bar girls, motorcycle taxis, hotel and restaurant staff from the tourist industry can do the work. They solve the unemployment problem and get rid of tourists too.

[brucec64]

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

 

To get it right, requires getting the regional/demographic/income-levels/etc - and enough sample-size in each (relative to their size), to then extrapolate for the whole population. 

THEN comes the "how the question is asked" part - which is critical.  If you say, "Do you want the bars open or your grandma to die?" - very different from - "Given the new data shows an overall death rate from covid is similar to the annual flu, and significantly lower for those under 60 in good health ...."

Actually, "Given the new data shows an overall death rate from covid is similar to the annual flu, and significantly lower for those under 60 in good health " is a leading question, and not a true fact, so actually worse than the first question.