Covid-19: Keep the "dangerous" pubs and bars shut say the majority of Thais in poll

[Max69xl]

If markets in for example BKK with tens of thousands of people shoulder to shoulder are allowed to open up, how dangerous are bars compared to that? Imo, normal Thai people wants bars to be allowed to open. They like to drink as much as foreigners. 

[Max69xl]

5 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

This is closer to the truth. They won't need immigrant workers as the bar girls, motorcycle taxis, hotel and restaurant staff from the tourist industry can do the work. They solve the unemployment problem and get rid of tourists too.

Are you on pills,or what? Do you even live in Thailand? 

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Are you on pills,or what? Do you even live in Thailand? 

It's a tongue in cheek comment, but perfectly plausible. If someone told you 12 months ago the whole world will go into lockdown next year, you would have called them crazy. Now you need to QR code to get into a mall and not allowed out of most countries.

 

Pills, not today, last one was in 2010. Not in Thailand now, back in the UK since 25th March, I didn't like the way it was going, so I left.

[crobe]

To get back to the OP

If you asked the same slanted question of "health over freedom" but substituted Temples, Churches and Mosques instead of Bars and Clubs - you would get the same response

[brucec64]

45 minutes ago, GeniusFarang said:

Dumb would be not knowing America’s actual death rate. Dumb would be not understanding that the numbers are less than half that because the CDC bucketed pneumonia deaths in with Covid.

 

Dumb would be Not understanding that the CDC allows hospitals to “assume” a Covid death with no PCR test.

 

Dumb would be not knowing that Hospitals in America are paid extra to report a death as a Covid death because they get extra funding for it.

 

Surely you are not dumb and know all that though right? 

Yes, all 185 countries are in on it together, but luckily you have figured out the world wide conspiracy. Or, maybe you are the not so smart one for believing the bottom feeding conspiracy websites where you are so obviously getting your "information".

[umlungu2012]

7 hours ago, CNXexpat said:

Do you know how a representative survey works? Usually they are with a +-2,5% correct. 

 

If they would ask 200,000 people of 70 million, some people would call it as not enough. 

They should ask all 70 million. By the time the results are in all pubs, clubs and dens of sin will have gone broke - problem solved. On a serious note, ask a representative cross-section of fortune tellers - which, by all accounts, are quite popular here - about result x if you performed action y. 

[Lacessit]

50 minutes ago, GeniusFarang said:

Dumb would be not knowing America’s actual death rate. Dumb would be not understanding that the numbers are less than half that because the CDC bucketed pneumonia deaths in with Covid.

 

Dumb would be Not understanding that the CDC allows hospitals to “assume” a Covid death with no PCR test.

 

Dumb would be not knowing that Hospitals in America are paid extra to report a death as a Covid death because they get extra funding for it.

 

Surely you are not dumb and know all that though right? 

What you are saying is the situation in America is a clusterf##k. What a surprise.

Dress it up any way you want, the USA leads the world in active cases and one of the worst recovery rates. But that could not be with your world-leading medical expertise, could it? Mayo Clinic, Houston Medical Center, Harvard Medical School. Atlanta CDC.

Dumb would be assuming Trump is providing any leadership. Maybe you should have kept Obama on for a third term.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Russell17au said:

When did I give you the right to talk for me. You are a typical ignorant, arrogant drunk. Don't ever think that you are that good that you have the legal right to include me with the rest of your s*****g drunks

Are you a reformed alcoholic? You certainly convey the impression of one.

[Russell17au]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Are you a reformed alcoholic? You certainly convey the impression of one.

No, I am the brother of a woman that was bashed to death by her drunken husband who then run and killed 2 other people in the car accident. Plus I spent a lot of time being dragged away from my wife and children to go and remove the bodies of young families that were killed by drunk drivers. So don't class me as a reformed alcoholic.

 

[anchadian]

Keep the "dangerous" pubs and bars shut 

And so say all of us.....well, most of us.

 

Pattaya to become a family friendly resort.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Miami007 said:

As tourism is 20% of GDP, you would lower living standards by roughly that amount. Survive, yes - but not living as well. But you probably don't care about the millions of Thai people who will lose their jobs. Eventually,  it will impact you, too

 

Funny that Thailand didn't have any infections when the virus was confined to China and Chinese tourists were allowed to enter in February and January.  It only became an issue once the virus became a problem in Europe...

What will is cost if Thailand will have many thousands of infections and dead like other countries?

Covid-19 is far away from over.

I would love if everything would be open and everybody would have a job and money. Great! 

But what is better, waiting a little longer or opening up too soon and maybe risk huge infection rates.

And yes, I know managers in the hotel and in the bar business. And they have also lots of customers who live in Thailand.

There is no perfect way how to handle this.

[umlungu2012]

4 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

You can't possibly live in Thailand with an attitude like that.

This kills a very specific group of people. If you are one of them stay at home forever in isolation

Let the rest of us live our lives

Not more specific than any other disease. Covid now affects all age groups, from the obese to the slim, from diabetics to fitness fanatics. Sure, kills the old and infirm, just like other diseases. But kills kids too. Having said that, whoever you are, you can't live in isolation, you take your chances, like with everything in life.

[Lacessit]

17 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

No, I am the brother of a woman that was bashed to death by her drunken husband who then run and killed 2 other people in the car accident. Plus I spent a lot of time being dragged away from my wife and children to go and remove the bodies of young families that were killed by drunk drivers. So don't class me as a reformed alcoholic.

 

Just asking the question, and i can understand your anger. Stay safe and well, OK?

[herwin1234]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

How do you know that? what connections do you have in the Thai Government that told you this?

 

Or are you exercising your right to spout unfounded and negatively biased opinion as fact?

 

 

When things do open up, I imagine Thailand may favor those nations which are free of Covid-19 above those who still have high case loads. If that's China so be it. If China has a huge second wave and thats the UK or Europe, so be it.

 

Looking at the global stats I can see a situation whereby those from China, South Korea and Asean nations with low Covid-19 case loads to be let back in before those from Europe and the US etc with higher case loads - that just makes sense.

 

Additionally your point above, which seems to indicate that Chinese are favored over 'Farang' the majority of tourists from Western nations do no require a visa to enter Thailand (on a Visa Exempt stamp) yet the Chinese Tourists have to pay for a Visa on arrival - how does that fit into your 'they don't want Farang' bias ?

 

There are so many people on these forums writing such absolutely idiotic and bias rubbish with giving second thought to how flawed their comments are.

 

 

 

 

Good post. 

I never understand the cynical anti Chinese comments of the forum farang.

China is almost a neighbour of Thailand (unlike far far away western countries), Chinese immigrants have helped build Thailand, integrated perfectly, so many Thai ppl have partially Chinese roots. (unlike farangs who do zero integrating, are negative to the bone, and live in a bubble and are not part of Thai society). Besides this, believe it or not, but Chinese ppl (tourists) dont display the negative and cynical behaviour of farang, so its only natural that Thais would welcome Chinese ppl more than farangs.

Farangs unfairly trashing Chinese is a bit like an unwanted woman trashing her more succesfull rival! 

[metisdead]

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[jpduggan]

  I wonder were they asked about the boxing arenas which is supposed to be where a lot of cases originated from?

[joe jadore]

12 hours ago, Stocky said:

Hardly a large poll and one wonders how representative the selection was, then there's the loaded phrasing of the question which posses it as an either or, when of course it isn't. Seems they got the answers they were fishing for.

1200 people so what !!!!!! Bangkok is NOT Sesame Street for kids! The curfew has ZERO to do with COVID anymore, Thailand you have the best numbers ever, it's over, stick to masks and temp guns, sanitizers.

[Cabradelmar]

It's not wrong thinking. Really. When the global pandemic is declared over, would be best. I understand the economics of the tourism nightlife industry, and it is difficult. The pandemic is hard on many. But for responsible social drink and meals, the restaurant and some proper bars should open with more takeaway than table services, ideally. Thailand has done well (and maybe just lucky) preventing the virus, and things are improving. Stay vigilant and move slow (Thais are good at that anyway). 

[Stargeezr]

I am so happy to live in Canada, where we can go buy booze of any kind at the

liqueur outlets. Now the rules have relaxed and we can have a drink at out door

patio settings, just have to social distance 2 meters apart, except for family members.

Soon the restaurants and some bars will be open. Nice to be in a democratic country

where the military is only existing to protect the country, not rule it like

Thailand.  Good luck to the people who drink alcohol in Thailand, maybe some year

the Government general and gang will let you have some beer.

Geezer

 

[daveAustin]

The nobs up top actually dream of a sterile Thailand.

[Sumarianson]

Keep the bars shut, I'm saving a fortune. Open the massage parlours, my head hurts from all this control and slave mentality. Thai's don't frequent pubs. However, if they stay shut the tourists won't come and that will be the final nail in the coffin for Thailand's tourism trade. When tourists go elsewhere to enjoy more free and open countries hospitality.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Sumarianson

[Sumarianson]

The Thai's they are asking don't frequent pubs as anyone who does would not vote that way. It's like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas.

[tribalfusion001]

30 minutes ago, Sumarianson said:

Keep the bars shut, I'm saving a fortune. Open the massage parlours, my head hurts from all this control and slave mentality. Thai's don't frequent pubs. However, if they stay shut the tourists won't come and that will be the final nail in the coffin for Thailand's tourism trade. When tourists go elsewhere to enjoy more free and open countries hospitality.

You can drink outside in Italy and Spain now, spaced out tables and these are two of the worst hit countries. Thailand had 3 new cases today, all the bars are closed and you cannot drink alcohol with your meal. Simply crazy and destroying the hospitality sector.

[mikosan]

A survey of 1259.  Really not worth commenting on!  Damn, I did. 555 

[FritsSikkink]

16 hours ago, smedly said:

Disco's and clubs yes I would agree if there is still virus about 

 

open air bars are entirely different and pose less risk than a restaurant 

Sure, a girl sitting on your lap ( who did the same with 10 others in the same night) would be less risky than having a meal with your family. Are you for real?

[smedly]

9 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Sure, a girl sitting on your lap ( who did the same with 10 others in the same night) would be less risky than having a meal with your family. Are you for real?

if that is the risky behavoir you want to pursue then that is up to you

 

when was the last time you had an HIV test  

[tribalfusion001]

Open air bars don't have to be girly bars, most of the Thai bars I was drinking at were open air. Lagoon Plaza at Ratchada 32 is all open air, easy to open up, plenty of tables to space people out.

[Ron jeremy]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Sure, a girl sitting on your lap ( who did the same with 10 others in the same night) would be less risky than having a meal with your family. Are you for real?

Well said, and if they served alcohol with meals, then guys would be having a 5 hour dinner and the place would be slammed. 

Thats why they are hesitant on opening. Same as before, 5 guys sharing a plate of fries and 40 empties on the table. They saw what was happening. If a man can't go 30 minutes without booze , he needs help.

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

In fact more than three quarters said keep them closed with less than a fifth in favor of opening.

Maybe 80% have learnt it's cheaper to buy some beer and a bottle of whiskey from the local outlets and drink at home with family or friends, not pay the exorbitant prices they used to pay in a bar to stand around a table.

20% are the younger generation age group 18-25 who want that environment to socialise in.

Maybe this is a new norm where bars and clubs are shunned.

Edited May 18, 2020 by hotchilli

[dallen52]

A good dose of disinfectant is required in many of these places. Constantly...

The bars, the kitchens,  the little backroom, and not forgetting the workers.

All should have been health checked, covid19 checked, and well and truly scrubbed from head to toe. 

(I don't mean the bubble bath either)