WHO pauses trial of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 patients due to safety concerns

[Phil McCaverty]

Just now, checkered flag said:

Plasmodium knowlesi is uncommon in humans. It is a primate malaria. Whereas Plasmodium falciparium is a sometime fatal for in humans. In Thailand it can be found seasonally in bamboo forest along the borders. Thailand has had a long effective program of malaria eradication. 

I originally stated that I was travelling throughout SE Asia. This included travelling the length of malasia overland.

 

From the link I posted:

 

"Plasmodium knowlesi is a parasite that causes malaria in humans and other primates. It is found throughout Southeast Asia, and is the most common cause of human malaria in Malaysia."

 

"When you're in a hole, stop digging"

 

[checkered flag]

There are some decent MDs that specializes in Tropical disease at the London School of Tropical Medicine and Liverpool Schools. Of course there are some extremely good ones in Thailand at Mahidol and Chulalongkorn Universities. I don't have experience with other Thai Medical programs so I can't comment. 

My advice is to check things out before writing stupid stuff.

Excuse me because replying to you isn't worth my time or effort.

[Phil McCaverty]

7 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

There are some decent MDs that specializes in Tropical disease at the London School of Tropical Medicine and Liverpool Schools. Of course there are some extremely good ones in Thailand at Mahidol and Chulalongkorn Universities. I don't have experience with other Thai Medical programs so I can't comment. 

My advice is to check things out before writing stupid stuff.

Excuse me because replying to you isn't worth my time or effort.

You really should take heed of your own advice.

 

I have posted links to all the facts. You have posted none.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by Phil McCaverty

[scubascuba3]

So presumably if it's so dangerous it shouldn't be used for malaria now?

[Phil McCaverty]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

So presumably if it's so dangerous it shouldn't be used for malaria now?

I was advised exactly that by my GP 10 years ago.

[Eric Loh]

42 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

The drug has been proven to be highly effective for treating COVID-19 in clinical settings.  This is a political move by WHO to attempt to make Trump look bad.  Won't work.

 

It is a move supported by science. Trump is not although he claimed his uncle is a super genius scientist. 

[bluesofa]

1 hour ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Yes the risks are well known. Ten years ago I was about to depart on a backpacking trip around SE Asia. I saw my GP regarding possible vaccinations for the trip. I mentioned hydroxychloroquine to him for a malaria preventative. He hit the roof saying that I would be in more danger from the hydroxychloroquine than malaria. Refused me a prescription point blank.

In a similar vein.

I remember thirty years ago on a trip across Africa, one of the group was an American who had previously worked for the WHO.

She was really surprised the Brits on the trip had been prescribed hydroxychloroquine to prevent malaria. She said there were so many side effects, that at the time WHO had tried to discourage its use.

One side effect she mentioned was temporary blindness after prolonged use of hydroxychloroquine.

We were on a five month trip, so that was definitely seen as prolonged use.

[tomazbodner]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Very childish. So the WHO got their butt smacked by Trump. Now they refuse to investigate one of the most promising drugs to treat/prevent the disease their coziness with Beijing allowed to spread. Well with their funding axed by the largest (by far) contributor, they will have to prioritize spending. I would have recommended they cutting out spending on luxuries, but then I'm not the one having a tantrum.

Do you volunteer to be a test rat together with Donald?

[bendejo]

The DT supporters should be taking hydroxychloroquine.  What have you got to lose?  Also ingesting bleach and disinfectants: the president of the US himself suggested it.  Show your support and patriotism.  What have you got to lose?  Ignore all that stuff on the labels about it being poisonous, who are you going to believe?  This is your chance to help make America great again, and if you start drinking bleach today the effect will be evident within a week.

Anyone who does not support this post is a radical-left Democrat never-Trumper.  Stand up to those liberal snowflakes who haven't got the guts to believe in their president.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by bendejo

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, bluesofa said:

In a similar vein.

I remember thirty years ago on a trip across Africa, one of the group was an American who had previously worked for the WHO.

She was really surprised the Brits on the trip had been prescribed hydroxychloroquine to prevent malaria. She said there were so many side effects, that at the time WHO had tried to discourage its use.

One side effect she mentioned was temporary blindness after prolonged use of hydroxychloroquine.

We were on a five month trip, so that was definitely seen as prolonged use.

Yep, but this is good news! ???? 

At least Mr Trump have a chance to live up to one of the three monkeys. See No Evil! ????

As he do not listen to common sense or anybody, he already classifies for. Hear No Evil! ????

 

About Speak No Evil???? Yeah, what can I say? One must have hope. ????

[Sheryl]

10 hours ago, checkered flag said:

Whatever it's used for the safety concerns are the same. Many drugs have some potential side affects and are safely used every day. Read the package insert and it will scare you.

 

Actually not the case that risks are the same whatever it is used for.

 

Use by healthy young soldiers as malaria prophylaxis (in the past) and use in people who already have a viral disease known to affect the cardiopulmonary system are very, very different things. 

 

I think the case against using it to treat COVID is closed. No benefit and in many cases harm.

 

Use as a preventative (i.e. taken by people not yet infected with COVID and presumably with no known cardiac or redpiratory diseases) needs further study.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

.<SNIP> 

I corrected my post, posted my opinion/s, yet you continua with the attack propaganda without any proof whatsoever. trump and his supporters flood social media in the hope of the big lie process will overwhelm the truth of trump's many failures in his role as President of the USA. Even on Memorial Day trump was tweeting away with his insulting tweets aimed at US citizens, the man is beyond childish, in fact pathetic.

 

Personally I wish for Biden to improve his performance as Presidential candidate. IMO it will be a terrible outcome for Western democracies for trump to be reelected 11/20.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, Kelsall said:

The drug has been proven to be highly effective for treating COVID-19 in clinical settings.  This is a political move by WHO to attempt to make Trump look bad.  Won't work.

 

No it hasent the study’s have been discontinued due to posing a danger to the participants trump doesent need any help in making himself look bad this is not a plot to make trump look bad 

[RJRS1301]

6 hours ago, checkered flag said:

Recent finding suggest it might not be effective in acute patients but may help prevent the virus in early stages. I could explain more but it's beyond the scope of this forum, But, it could help prevent infections or lessen them in early stages.

If you are interested Mahidol University has launched a very large multi national double blind study. To do just that.  

All that being equal, still wise to investigate risks, irrespective, of other "trials".

Which as a trained medical professional I am sure you concur.

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by RJRS1301

[RJRS1301]

5 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

So presumably if it's so dangerous it shouldn't be used for malaria now?

No , it is about risks, and reviewing for use in Covid19 or not, nothing to do with its licenced use 

[wombat]

50 years of safe use then Trump mentions it and whoosh just like that its a killer....if the Donald could turn water to wine the media would accuse him of pollution 

[Antonymous]

1 minute ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Biggest load of tosh ever. I could go through the points and debunk them but need go no further than 1. where she referst to Covid-19 as "wuflu". Scientist? My backside!

 

Don't be silly Phil. WuFlu is just one on many descriptions that you and everyone else understands.

 

That is my (Antonymous) quick summary in my own words of some of the salient points. There's much more in the interview and instead of closing your mind, I suggest watching the one hour video of the interview.

 

The first ten minutes is a detailed explanation of this professor's credentials and why she is in a very strong position to point out the facts.

 

 

 

 

[Phil McCaverty]

18 minutes ago, wombat said:

50 years of safe use then Trump mentions it and whoosh just like that its a killer....if the Donald could turn water to wine the media would accuse him of pollution 

He maybe unable to turn water into wine but he can certainly turn s**t into Trump kool aid.

[Rimbuman]

8 hours ago, checkered flag said:

Over 50 years ago it was mandatory that US troops in SEA take weeking doses to prevent malaria. It's been used for a very long time so it's risks are  well know. It was the primary drug to treat malaria then and is still used for some strains of malaria today (non P falc malaria). In high dosages many drugs can cause side effects, but are well documented. I think that either one of two things is happening: 1) this is to get back at Trump: or there is no big profit for big pharma, because it's generic. 

Or both.

[Phil McCaverty]

Just now, Antonymous said:

Don't be silly Phil. WuFlu is just one on many descriptions that you and everyone else understands.

No its only used by conspiracy theorists who believe Covid-19 is fake news. Try telling that to the relatives of the 349,000 people who have already died from it. 

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, Rimbuman said:

Or both.

Probably none.

[RJRS1301]

28 minutes ago, wombat said:

50 years of safe use then Trump mentions it and whoosh just like that its a killer....if the Donald could turn water to wine the media would accuse him of pollution 

That has to be the worst post on this drug if have read.

 

[Antonymous]

10 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

No its only used by conspiracy theorists who believe Covid-19 is fake news. Try telling that to the relatives of the 349,000 people who have already died from it. 

 

I bet you also get all hot under the collar when someone calls you a farang.

[mrfill]

27 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

8.    Between 7 and 15% of the Irish population (we can assume world population) would have had the antibodies ALREADY before this WuFlu outbreak, due to having got it during the first SARS outbreak

9.    Once you’ve had it you are immune for life

In the SARS outbreak in Ireland, exactly 1 case was found. This is not between 7 and 15 per cent.

https://www.who.int/csr/sars/country/2003_07_11/en/

 

Point 9 - Nobody knows if anybody has immunity for life. Even the world's greatest brain cannot honestly say that, after 6 months in existence, they know all the properties of the virus. To prove the theory, we need to go 40 years ahead and see if the immunity has held. Perhaps Dr Wonderful has a time machine too....

[fred110]

They don't want a safe, proven drug to be used because it is cheap. They prefer to push Remdesivir.

[metisdead]

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[Phil McCaverty]

18 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

 

I bet you also get all hot under the collar when someone calls you a farang.

On the contrary, I have publicly defended the word "farang" as being non pejorative on a number of occasions.

[Stadtler]

9 hours ago, Thailand said:

Now testing injecting disinfectant to see how effective it may be?

Provide Stadtler a transcript of Trump saying exactly that.

 

Stadtler knows you cannot do this.

[Phil McCaverty]

7 minutes ago, Stadtler said:

Provide Stadtler a transcript of Trump saying exactly that.

 

Stadtler knows you cannot do this.

 

 

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Edited May 26, 2020 by Phil McCaverty

[Stadtler]

4 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

 

 

1.15

 

 

CNN is Fake News.