British minister says 'move on' from rage over PM adviser Cummings' road trip

[tribalfusion001]

It's a war of attrition now, neither side is going back down easily. He broke the rules twice and needs to go.  The fact that he is a smug little scruffy knob is another matter entirely.

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

Feed that nonsense to someone who were unable to visit a dying relative or attend a loved ones funeral !

You cannot physically go into a hospital and visit a dying relative, or attend a funeral. Neither are possible. Stretching the rules on travel to protect loved ones is possible, and I'd recommend it. 

 

Cummings didn't visit a dying relative, and he didn't attend a loved one's funeral. If he'd done either of those things I'd understand the uproar. But you can't compare those scenarios with what Cummings did. 

 

People using those scenarios as a comparison are simply trying to stir up more anger and hatred. 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by CG1 Blue

[twocatsmac]

53 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Does that Include Ian Blackford as well

Ian Blackford MP travelled over 600 (620+ ferry) miles with Covid symptoms into self isolation from London to the Isle of Skye

Returned to Skye from Westminster but into isolation as a precaution away from Ann and everyone else given the prevalence of the virus in London. The right thing to do but hard not seeing Ann. #StayHomeSaveLives
27 Mar 2020

https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/...60209163833344

 

How dare you!

 

That tard belongs to a minority group, I’ll have to report this. 

Oops sorry, carry on, nobody’s interested if the tards break rules.

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, bannork said:

You could be right, they were so gullible and aroused they voted for Brexit, an economic suicide pact 

He who laughs last........

[twocatsmac]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Does that Include Ian Blackford as well

Ian Blackford MP travelled over 600 (620+ ferry) miles with Covid symptoms into self isolation from London to the Isle of Skye

Returned to Skye from Westminster but into isolation as a precaution away from Ann and everyone else given the prevalence of the virus in London. The right thing to do but hard not seeing Ann. #StayHomeSaveLives
27 Mar 2020

https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/...60209163833344

 

Ian Blackford aka Dick Turpin, check out his £241,000 expenses last year.

Edited May 27, 2020 by twocatsmac

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Does that Include Ian Blackford as well

Ian Blackford MP travelled over 600 (620+ ferry) miles with Covid symptoms into self isolation from London to the Isle of Skye

Returned to Skye from Westminster but into isolation as a precaution away from Ann and everyone else given the prevalence of the virus in London. The right thing to do but hard not seeing Ann. #StayHomeSaveLives
27 Mar 2020

https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/...60209163833344

 

What complete and utter baloney all done in the name of trying to defend the totally indefensible.

 

- Blackford left London on the day Westminster was recessed - as did every other MP.

- He left and went to his home - as did every other MP.

 

That is the total extent of the story. Unfortunately you have been duped by the Scottish yoons who are aghast as their precious union melts in front of their eyes, and the Nasty Party north of the border hemorrhages member. Therefore, they try to smear and whine and lie because they have nothing of substance to offer as a counterpoint to the disaster that is Westminster's handing of this crisis. 

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

 

 

the whole media engine in the UK is seriously (deleted) 

And thinks it's running the country,still to be fair Murdoch is a pillar of honesty and integrity and despite owning more passports than petty France knows what's best for britain.

[RuamRudy]

7 minutes ago, twocatsmac said:

Ian Blackford aka Dick Turpin, check out his £241,000 expenses last year.

Yes 241K.

They're all crooks, I don’t differentiate. 

Army Navy Stores balaclavas and ruined dads side by side for a potential 500 quid once, lol. Nearly. 

He went home. That is the extent of your complaint. Every single MP went home. He was no different. 

 

His expenses are high because, at 4,600 sq miles, he has the largest constituency in the uk by area, including many islands. Democracy doesn't come cheap.  But not that expensive - just about twice more than the amount of taxpayers' money Johnson gave to his American tart while his wife was battling cancer. Or is it that Johnson likes expensive tarts?

[twocatsmac]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

He went home. That is the extent of your complaint. Every single MP went home. He was no different. 

 

His expenses are high because, at 4,600 sq miles, he has the largest constituency in the uk by area, including many islands. Democracy doesn't come cheap.  But not that expensive - just about twice more than the amount of taxpayers' money Johnson gave to his American tart while his wife was battling cancer. Or is it that Johnson likes expensive tarts?

So you justify, accept and compare it to Johnson’s sleaze.

Thanks for being upfront about it.

You and all the politicians are a virus among us. 

My edit. I want to add scum to that comment.

Edited May 27, 2020 by twocatsmac

[RuamRudy]

5 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

So even leaving aside the clear circumvention of his own rules, ie he had numerous other options, embarking on a 60 mile journey to ‘test your eyesight’ whilst loading the car with your wife and 4 year old child  with doubts over your eyesight is ‘doing nothing wrong’ ?? What a bizarre assertion. 
 

Assuming it wasn’t utter lies and his eyesight was compromised and he crashed into and killed your kids, what would be your take on it then when it got out ?  
 

Even Brexiteers must be able to see through this one ! 

And then, on his first day back to work, he took a firm grasp of the scale of the COVID crisis - by spending his morning going into one of his blogs from last year and altering it to make it look like he called for pandemic preparations a long time ago.

For someone who supposedly has a brain the size of a planet, the man is incredibly dumb.

[vinny41]

15 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

What complete and utter baloney all done in the name of trying to defend the totally indefensible.

 

- Blackford left London on the day Westminster was recessed - as did every other MP.

- He left and went to his home - as did every other MP.

 

That is the total extent of the story. Unfortunately you have been duped by the Scottish yoons who are aghast as their precious union melts in front of their eyes, and the Nasty Party north of the border hemorrhages member. Therefore, they try to smear and whine and lie because they have nothing of substance to offer as a counterpoint to the disaster that is Westminster's handing of this crisis. 

I am sure many people went home from work that day, but how many decided that they needed to go into  self isolation 

Edited May 27, 2020 by vinny41
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[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, twocatsmac said:

So you justify, accept and compare it to Johnson’s sleaze.

Thanks for being upfront about it.

You and all the politicians are a virus among us. 

My edit. I want to add scum to that comment.

I am a virus and I am scum? Did I read that right?

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

I am sure many people went home from work that day, but how many decided that they needed to go into  self isolation 

Westminster was crawling with the virus at the time. Personally, I think his actions were the correct and responsible ones. Alastair Carmichael (LD) traveled to Shetland; Douglas Ross (CON) traveled to Moray; David Mundell (CON) travelled to Edinburgh. What is the distance traveled that triggers your outrage?

[473geo]

Well if you want a hint as to why the UK is performing below your expectations, don't look at Boris and Cummins, look at the population, full of low intelligence dimwits who are throwing their arms in the air grasping the first excuse to be indifferent to the controls, and pronouncing 'if he can do it we can do it' encouraged by the even less intelligent media - move on is indeed the right strategy, preferably off the packed beach !!!

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Westminster was crawling with the virus at the time. Personally, I think his actions were the correct and responsible ones. Alastair Carmichael (LD) traveled to Shetland; Douglas Ross (CON) traveled to Moray; David Mundell (CON) travelled to Edinburgh. What is the distance traveled that triggers your outrage?

Even stranger that Ian Blackford has deleted his tweet now, Wonder Why Maybe Sky News and the BBC are after him now

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Even stranger that Ian Blackford has deleted his tweet now, Wonder Why Maybe Sky News and the BBC are after him now

Which tweet? 

[CG1 Blue]

7 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

He went home. That is the extent of your complaint. Every single MP went home. He was no different. 

 

His expenses are high because, at 4,600 sq miles, he has the largest constituency in the uk by area, including many islands. Democracy doesn't come cheap.  But not that expensive - just about twice more than the amount of taxpayers' money Johnson gave to his American tart while his wife was battling cancer. Or is it that Johnson likes expensive tarts?

 

Can't think how he can rack up £241k of expenses, even if his constituency is spread out over a large area. Are boat trips expensive up there? 

 

As I understand it he's a pretty wealthy man anyway, so I hope he's not claiming for every cup of tea.  Aside from his lovely home in 10 acres, he apparently earned close to £2 million from his shares in a telecoms company. 

On top of his £75,000 MP's salary he has two more 'jobs'. One of those additional jobs pays £3,247.25 a month for working just 8 hrs per quarter. On top of this he's paid £1,575.85 per day for any additional work. 

 

And he tries to portray himself as a simple crofter....ok ????

 

I have nothing against people earning good money, but I'm not keen on hypocrites. 

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

 

Can't think how he can rack up £241k of expenses, even if his constituency is spread out over a large area. Are boat trips expensive up there? 

 

As I understand it he's a pretty wealthy man anyway, so I hope he's not claiming for every cup of tea.  Aside from his lovely home in 10 acres, he apparently earned close to £2 million from his shares in a telecoms company. 

On top of his £75,000 MP's salary he has two more 'jobs'. One of those additional jobs pays £3,247.25 a month for working just 8 hrs per quarter. On top of this he's paid £1,575.85 per day for any additional work. 

 

And he tries to portray himself as a simple crofter....ok ????

 

I have nothing against people earning good money, but I'm not keen on hypocrites. 

 

 

 

I am one of his constituents but have never come across him leveraging any 'simple crofter' claim. Then again, I know many 'simple crofters' who would have bank accounts to rival that of Blackford so maybe he does live UP to the claim. But virtually nobody would recognise him as being - or pretending - to be of the stock that uses twine to hold their trousers up.

 

He does have 2 full time (and fully staffed) constituency offices plus frequent traveling around the area for surgeries. I don't know the breakdown of his expenses but I would assume that, given the obsessive scrutiny that the press has towards all things which threaten the union, all is above board and not a bird house or poppy donation to be seen. 

 

 

[bendejo]

British minister says 'move on' from rage over PM adviser Cummings' road trip

 

Sounds like the husband caught in flagrante by his wife, after 3 minutes of shouting telling her it's time to change the subject.

 

Ah yes, I remember when Richard Nixon tried the same thing: he went in front of the television cameras and said "the American people are tired of hearing about Watergate."  That worked a charm.  I don't think I've ever met a Brit who would swallow something along those lines.

 

 

[jimmyswale]

44 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

 

Can't think how he can rack up £241k of expenses, even if his constituency is spread out over a large area. Are boat trips expensive up there? 

 

As I understand it he's a pretty wealthy man anyway, so I hope he's not claiming for every cup of tea.  Aside from his lovely home in 10 acres, he apparently earned close to £2 million from his shares in a telecoms company. 

On top of his £75,000 MP's salary he has two more 'jobs'. One of those additional jobs pays £3,247.25 a month for working just 8 hrs per quarter. On top of this he's paid £1,575.85 per day for any additional work. 

 

And he tries to portray himself as a simple crofter....ok ????

 

I have nothing against people earning good money, but I'm not keen on hypocrites. 

 

 

 

Good to see we are aligned about hypocrites  - Dominic " I can see clearly now the rules have gone" Scummings. 

[CG1 Blue]

39 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am one of his constituents but have never come across him leveraging any 'simple crofter' claim. Then again, I know many 'simple crofters' who would have bank accounts to rival that of Blackford so maybe he does live UP to the claim. But virtually nobody would recognise him as being - or pretending - to be of the stock that uses twine to hold their trousers up.

 

He does have 2 full time (and fully staffed) constituency offices plus frequent traveling around the area for surgeries. I don't know the breakdown of his expenses but I would assume that, given the obsessive scrutiny that the press has towards all things which threaten the union, all is above board and not a bird house or poppy donation to be seen. 

 

 

Fair enough. Here's the 'simple crofter' reference

 

SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford mocked for '˜simple crofter' claim

there were jeers from the opposition benches as he declared his interest in the topic - saying “I am just a simple crofter with 10 acres” - due to his long career in investment banking.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-westminster-leader-ian-blackford-mocked-simple-crofter-claim-234777

 

 

[bannork]

7 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

So even leaving aside the clear circumvention of his own rules, ie he had numerous other options, embarking on a 60 mile journey to ‘test your eyesight’ whilst loading the car with your wife and 4 year old child  with doubts over your eyesight is ‘doing nothing wrong’ ?? What a bizarre assertion. 
 

Assuming it wasn’t utter lies and his eyesight was compromised and he crashed into and killed your kids, what would be your take on it then when it got out ?  
 

Even Brexiteers must be able to see through this one ! 

Oh but love is blind.

[jimmyswale]

Cummings' previously unwarranted reputation as some kind of Svengali lies in tatters. Anyone who before today proclaimed him the possessor of some psychological affinity with the British public had been made to look utterly ridiculous and his so called  smarts have been revealed to be nothing more than the proverbial smoke and mirrors. Both the monkey and the organ grinder have no clothes. The virus makes clear what was partially obscured before but most of us knew that didn't we ? It's gonna be a long , hot socially distanced summer. 

 

Worst leader with the worst advisor at the worst time in modern history.

Edited May 27, 2020 by jimmyswale

[mrfill]

11 hours ago, JWRC said:

The whole response to this is so typically English, Whinge and complain about everything, go on and on and on about it. I agree with the guy who said it's time to move on, the transgressor, if indeed he actually was, is far more value to Boris as a senior adviser. The British public are being whipped into a frenzy by the media and are too gullible and easily aroused.

Not at all like what would be seen here if a politician had, say, a collection of watches and after being hounded by questions from inquisitive journalists, suggest we all move on as it has been discussed enough. No, nothing like that at all.

[bkk_mike]

12 hours ago, smedly said:

he actually did nothing wrong, what he did was covered by exceptional circumstance in the rules, what mainstream media are doing right now in the UK is the real scandal

The day trip to Barnard Castle on the Easter bank holiday weekend (that also happened to be his wife's birthday).

 

Please show me where the exceptional circumstance is in the rules for that one.

[bkk_mike]

7 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's a war of attrition now, neither side is going back down easily. He broke the rules twice and needs to go.  The fact that he is a smug little scruffy knob is another matter entirely.

Isn't it at least 4 times...

 

1. Going into the office again after seeing his wife when she had symptoms.

2. Driving up to Durham when both he and his wife had symptoms and were supposed to be self-isolating.

3. When he went to the hospital with his son while he still had symptoms. (Whether he broke a rule here depends on whether he called 111 first and got told to go to the hospital. Otherwise, people with symptoms were supposed to stay home...)

4. The day trip on his wife's birthday to Barnard Castle. This was on the Easter bank holiday weekend.

 

The 4th one is the one where he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

His "testing his eyesight" excuse is about as believable as Prince Andrews' "I don't sweat" excuse. It's also the one where he can't use protecting his child as the explanation for why he did it, which he can plausibly use for the others.

[bkk_mike]

8 hours ago, smedly said:

seriously what rules did he break ?

 

there were very clear exceptions as pointed out many times 

 

HE DID NOTHING WRONG

 

go educate yourself, this is left wing nonsense - anti brexit anti government of the highest order 

 

DC is a hero trying to protect his family and not breaking any rules 

 

time to move on from this BS 

 

and time the mainstream media started reporting news instead of the left propaganda they are pushing all day every day

 

I want news - events, not what Adam Boulton or that other hag Burley voicing their unwanted opinions, who gives a flying ......... what they think

Please give the exception that covers the day trip to Barnard Castle on his wife's birthday.

[Rookiescot]

Johnson getting desperate. Now moved to a position of "Please make this stop".

A Prime Minister who said he was forbidden to give timescales any more. Forbidden by whom? Cummings perhaps?

[bkk_mike]

11 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

This not a Brexit thread.... take your pointless, gutless and off-topic comments elsewhere.

Dominic Cummings IS Mr Brexit.

 

He is quite literally the guy that was played by Benedict Cumberbatch in the movie.

 

Anything he touches will immediately be tainted by Brexit.

[bkk_mike]

6 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

 

Can't think how he can rack up £241k of expenses, even if his constituency is spread out over a large area. Are boat trips expensive up there? 

 

As I understand it he's a pretty wealthy man anyway, so I hope he's not claiming for every cup of tea.  Aside from his lovely home in 10 acres, he apparently earned close to £2 million from his shares in a telecoms company. 

On top of his £75,000 MP's salary he has two more 'jobs'. One of those additional jobs pays £3,247.25 a month for working just 8 hrs per quarter. On top of this he's paid £1,575.85 per day for any additional work. 

 

And he tries to portray himself as a simple crofter....ok ????

 

I have nothing against people earning good money, but I'm not keen on hypocrites. 

 

 

 

You can see exactly what expenses MPs have and where the money goes...

https://www.mpsexpenses.info/#!/mp/736

 

And for Ian Blackford, the travel costs are probably flights and taxis rather than ferries (there is a bridge to Skye). The nearest airports though are Inverness or Glasgow - neither of which is what you'd call close to Skye, so I dread to think what the taxi fares are.