Who would trust those goons in the

US administration? Thailand must

beware the fat US Trojan horse, quite

handy at China's fence.

 

 

 

Countries have no friends, they have interests. (I don't remember who said that first).

And in case of Trump: Does he work in the interest of the USA? Or does he do anything possible to keep his job because after he is no president anymore he has a good chance to go to jail.

Trumps calls Putin, the Rocket Man and other strongmen his friends. Who wants to be in that club?

No more questions.

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Countries have no friends, they have interests.

swap countries with corporations and i reckon your on the money.

3 hours ago, BeltAndRoad said:

The US will always be a better friend to Thailand

The South Vietnamese would probably advice Thailand to err on the side of caution with this one.

The South Koreans might have a different take.  

 

 

5 hours ago, brommers said:

Who would want that nation of thugs and covidiots as a friend!

If not for the yanks we'd all probably be speaking German or japanese and saluting to a long line of sociopaths.

 

They may have failed in some areas but at least they tried and accept the criticism rather than sit back, do nothing and never having to face anything.

Edited May 30, 20206 yr by Reigntax

3 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

The South Koreans might have a different take.  

 

 

Possibly, though one positive would have come from the US abandoning South Korea, no K-Pop

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

To add people should understand that the current US ambassador to Thailand is a republican party lackey political appointee. Not a trained diplomat. 

USA has had professional diplomats as ambassador to Thailand for decades. What good has that been for America?  It is perhaps time for a political lackey. Maybe the new ambassador can get expats the right to own a Rai of land.

5 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:

Possibly, though one positive would have come from the US abandoning South Korea, no K-Pop

No gangnam style for you.  ????

1 hour ago, Guitarzan said:

But the Chinese have one advantage over America. They are more skilled at killing unarmed civilians, Buddhist monks, and political dissidents. Lets see how they fair against real soldiers with real guns that shoot back. 

Your post would be spot on if you would only change "Chinese" to "Americans".

35 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

USA has had professional diplomats as ambassador to Thailand for decades. What good has that been for America?  It is perhaps time for a political lackey. Maybe the new ambassador can get expats the right to own a Rai of land.

Sure thing. Do you think the idea of the quality of life for American expats has actually entered the brain of 45 for one second?

2 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

The Americans want U-Tapao because of its long runway.

You know ! the one that they built, which is next to the Hospital that they also built

Over many Years, America has ploughed a lot of money into Thailand for Infrastructure Projects and Community Welfare

The Chinese have ploughed in .........  get back to you on that

They certainly plough into an all you can eat buffet !

I noticed the OP included blatant 45 propaganda lies about the WHO which are only talking points for 45 to deflect blame to the WHO and China for his own total incompetence in responding to the pandemic in the first two months resulting in the US suffering so many deaths relative to all other countries. To try to infect Thailand with that blatantly self serving political blame game against China and the WHO is truly sickening. That's what you get with a republican political lackey. 

Keep pounding the USD down--and yes, we'll leave.  But American expats have done a lot for Thailand locally.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

... people should understand that the current US ambassador to Thailand is a republican party lackey political appointee. Not a trained diplomat. 

US ambassadorships, for the most part, are rarely given to "qualified" people. Ambassadors are often replaced when any new administration takes the office of the POTUS. 
 

Many US ambassadors are simply a PR guy, without much previous diplomatic experience. They are often friends, contributors, or people that the party in office feels beholding to. Any "training" comes after appointment. They pretty much parrot the policies handed to them.

In my younger days, I dated an ambassador's daughter for some time. He was in Los Angeles. He said that ealing with the US was a real pain. Every 4~8 years he had to figure out which way the US' diplomatic wind was blowing. In his country, his diplomatic training started out right out of secondary school. 

And now everyone has to deal with Trump. His administration is like nothing that ever came before! 

????


 

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sure thing. Do you think the idea of the quality of life for American expats has actually entered the brain of 45 for one second?

No I don't think POTUS has thought about expats. In fact I think Roosvelt (Franklin) was the last US President to think about expats. There aren't that many of them (expats) and most don't vote, fewer donate money for elections,  and even the ones that do (vote or donate) don't sway elections. 

This ambassador isn't the only non-professional in the ranks of appointed diplomats. Neither is he the first or last. My personal opinion is Thailand doesn't deserve a professional at this time.

25 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Keep pounding the USD down--and yes, we'll leave.  But American expats have done a lot for Thailand locally.

Thailand doesn't want to many westerners to live in their country.  As many westerners these days are infected with a virus, a virus that given a chance to take hold will totally subvert, demoralize and weaken the Thai culture.   As many westerners are unaware they are even infected with this virus and actually think the symptoms are superior and virtuous they will try  unashamedly in spreading it to healthy people, healthy people that in their view are the sick people.  When healthy people reject being infected with the virus the westerner will become condescending and resort to charges of false accusations and name calling. So don't be upset as it's nothing personal, Thailand just doesn't want what inevitably a culture ends up as when infected with this virus. 

Edited May 30, 20206 yr by BeltAndRoad

4 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

What does the US do for Thailand? What did it do for the Thai people when the last coup was staged? Or the coup before that? Absolutely nothing. All America wants is bases, bases, and more bases, like the Viet Nam war. They want U Tapao because of the long runway for bombers. 

Thailand should prepare to cut ties to the US and enhance ties with China who supply lots of tourist money.

You are arguing the USA should have "regime-changed" Thailand to "save it"?  Really?  And given power to whom?  The party of "extra-judicial killings"?  I am trying to think of a "happy ending" regime-change operation, since the WWII reconstruction period.

 

Would you argue Thailand should have just snubbed US help in the 1960s/70s, and given up their autonomy to the CCP, so the commies could overrun and destroy them then?  You know, like happened all their neighbors on all sides, save Malaysia, when most of the world could not be bothered to help stop the communist menace from spreading in this region?  Is the CCP "better" today, than then?  Or just "better at" projecting power through more clever means?

 

Look at the people of China from then to right up until today.  If they speak out - even to warn the world about a deadly disease outbreak - they are disappeared by that murderous thug regime.  You really want Thailand pulled further into the CCP's control/oribt?

 

If you want to criticize the USA, there is plenty of room for that.  The people in the USA who supported / legalized / empowered the CCP with outsourcing traitor-trade should be up on treason charges.  They not only betrayed the USA - they betrayed the freedom of millions across the world, by supporting the CCP thugs.  If not for them, the CCP would not have the power it has today - including the power to corrupt and destroy Thailand.  We have a lot of cleaning up to do in the USA - and not just in one political party, either.

Edited May 30, 20206 yr by JackThompson

Of course many ambassadors are always political appointees. But I think less commonly to countries that are considered important to the US. 

4 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Thailand should prepare to cut ties to the US and enhance ties with China who supply lots of tourist money.

Until the Chinese buy all the hotels and restaurants in a certain area then bus their Chinese tourists into these areas cutting out any benefit to the local population.  As they have done in Sihanoukville Cambodia.

3 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

The Americans want U-Tapao because of its long runway.

You know ! the one that they built, which is next to the Hospital that they also built

Over many Years, America has ploughed a lot of money into Thailand for Infrastructure Projects and Community Welfare

The Chinese have ploughed in .........  get back to you on that

The infrastructure the US  built was for their own purposes.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Of course many ambassadors are always political appointees. But I think less commonly to countries that are considered important to the US. 

Most are essentially "spokerspersons," whose words are directed by the state-dept and local career-experts.  And, yes, generally appointed for being fundraising-bundlers, friends of the powerful, etc.  But they don't often get involved in policy, except the ones sent to a particular region to do a particular thing - like Ambassador Nuland, in Ukraine.

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Countries have no friends, they have interests. (I don't remember who said that first).

You started off well ...

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And in case of Trump: Does he work in the interest of the USA? Or does he do anything possible to keep his job because after he is no president anymore he has a good chance to go to jail.

That is silly.  The documents are declassified, now.  We know the whole Russia-gate bit was a sham/distraction.  The principles admitted under-oath the exact opposite of what they were saying on TV. 

 

Trump is lousy because he did not keep his promises to those who elected him, and used that very distraction to keep from doing that.  One has to wonder if it was coordinated.

 

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Trumps calls Putin, the Rocket Man and other strongmen his friends. Who wants to be in that club?

No more questions.

What has Trump given to them, other than the same hollow-words he gave his supporters?  More oil-production and lethal arms to Ukraine didn't help Putin.  NK didn't get any favors either - just talk. 

47 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

The infrastructure the US  built was for their own purposes.

Indeed it was.

As anyone who was here during or shortly after the US Military occupation of Thailand would know very well.

Don't believe the lies, Thailand. The Americans told us Germans what a great friend they are not so long ago.

 

They stole our jet plane technology, rockets, tv, x-rays, the car, the chip card and then legged it to Poland.

 

Then they stole our masks. Oh that was with your help Thailand, that's right, so you know all about that.

 

Anyway, beware of false friends.

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

Would you argue Thailand should have just snubbed US help in the 1960s/70s, and given up their autonomy to the CCP, so the commies could overrun and destroy them then? 

You mean the same as Vietnam? Now which country is the preferred destination for expats and tourists now? Vietnam or Thailand?

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

They stole our jet plane technology, rockets, tv,

The technology for jet engines was stolen from the Brits, Sir Frank Whittle invented it and the Americans patented it. Same as the TV invented by John Logie Baird.

18 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

The technology for jet engines was stolen from the Brits, Sir Frank Whittle invented it and the Americans patented it. Same as the TV invented by John Logie Baird.

You guys are all just lucky we didn't patent fire and the wheel.  We invented those you know.  ????

 

 

12 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The envoy also reiterated that his country is a “better friend” to Thailand and other Asean countries.

Better than what?

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

Better than what?

I think you misread it. Think he meant that America is a better friend to Thailand than the likes of Cambodia' Laos and of course Vietnam. An inarguable truth. America didn't carpet bomb Thailand with napalm, agent orange and leave many thousands of innocent civilians dead. A true friend to Thailand.

6 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

it's a friend if the weather is fair..

That's rich coming from a Canadian!