Night of violence across America leaves streets scarred, outrage simmering

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

IMO It really is a waste of time going on about what the Dems did / didn't do in the past. As I posted it is clear to me right now trump is only contributing to further fault lines within US society, whilst tweeting nonsense from the WH. Moving along no more response in this topic to you as we will not agree.

So, it's all Trump's fault!

Nothing to do with all the other politicians and community leaders at all. Just Trump, alone and with no help from anyone else.

I never realised he had so much power.

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I have to disagree. The black community is as divided as the rest of the US population, IMO. It doesn't function as a united demographic.

 

Then it is up to the individual to sort their problems out like the rest of us. I grew up poor and didn't sit around crying and selling crack and gang banging. Their popular culture is homophobic, misogynistic, etc. 

 

They lack role models. It's either some baller in sports and in lieu of that the crack dealer that can afford Air Jordans. If they want racism to go away anytime soon they need to practice what they preach. You can't even walk through one of their areas without being threatened. It doesn't happen because any sane white person doesn't go in certain areas. We know better. 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

just seen the photos from the uk protest, so cringe worthy 

I looked them up on internet.

Probably means an excuse to break their lockdown. If it wasn't that it's be climate change or some other nonsense.

[metisdead]

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[Mama Noodle]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

IMO It really is a waste of time going on about what the Dems did / didn't do in the past. As I posted it is clear to me right now trump is only contributing to further fault lines within US society, whilst tweeting nonsense from the WH. Moving along no more response in this topic to you as we will not agree.

 

LOL Trumps fault, always and forever. Shhhhh dont talk about the decades of failed Democrat policy that led up to this moment, which is all taking place in Democrat strongholds and being orchestrated by communist and anarchist left-wing groups that Democrats largely ignored and refused to speak out against.... 

 

But But But Trump ????

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But for whatever crazy reason lots of poor people continue to vote for Trump.

Not that all the DEMs are much better, but at least a little.

Americans should be in the streets everyday to protest again that incompetent leader.

 

The problem with that is nobody is going to pay you to do that. 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The violence in their neighborhoods is the biggest problem. Low house prices, low amounts of property taxes leading to poorly funded schools. Look at some hoods and you see lovely old houses and then you see a price for a mansion fixer upper for like $40,000. You already know what's wrong with it.

 

The thing is they are as racist as anybody they accuse of being racist. The average working black guy isn't but you don't think the gang bangers aren't completely racist? There are more racist gangbangers then there are racist cops. 

 

Don't like cops? Neither do I so I do not do the things that bring them around me. I grew up in poor areas and lived in some black ghettos myself. Went to the same schools. 

 

I would love to see a figure of how many cops were killed by minorities this year. 

One of these days the cops are going to refuse to do their job and let the mob riot. That might change people's mind about the necessity for cops.

Cops are just people- good and bad like everyone else. They are products of their environment and upbringing.

I wouldn't do a job that meant I might get killed just for wearing the uniform, and that was the reason I didn't become one. Some guy just walked into a cop shop and killed the desk officer. No provocation.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

LOL Trumps fault, always and forever. Shhhhh dont talk about the decades of failed Democrat policy that led up to this moment, which is all taking place in Democrat strongholds and being orchestrated by communist and anarchist left-wing groups that Democrats largely ignored and refused to speak out against.... 

 

But But But Trump ????

The underlying reasons started long before Trump even thought about becoming president, but it's all his fault ( of course- he's responsible for everything bad in the world according to some ).

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One of these days the cops are going to refuse to do their job and let the mob riot. That might change people's mind about the necessity for cops.

Cops are just people- good and bad like everyone else. They are products of their environment and upbringing.

I wouldn't do a job that meant I might get killed just for wearing the uniform, and that was the reason I didn't become one. Some guy just walked into a cop shop and killed the desk officer. No provocation.

 

They did that in Minneapolis they let the 3rd precinct fall and didn't defend it. That area is prime real estate and has been a literal hellhole on earth since I was born. The reason for this is the high level of crime that is generally tolerated by the black community at large in these areas. 

 

It didn't used to be that bad until the gangs from Chicago came to sell crack because of it's rarity you could get inflated prices. Then came the drive by shootings. 

 

Once that happened South Minneapolis was a murder zone. I am not sure about now but for a long time it was a no go zone.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Cryingdick

[thaibeachlovers]

19 minutes ago, simple1 said:

IMO It really is a waste of time going on about what the Dems did / didn't do in the past.

Like being the party that supported slavery.

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

This is nothing to do with ancient history or the French revolution...

I now fully understand the trope, "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it".

[EVENKEEL]

It's time for the Black community to give up the Thug mentality. They sing about it in their songs for decades now. Seems if they can't get rich playing ball or rapping then they're downtrodden.

 

If you read the history of the accused policeman, you see a 19 yr veteran with the Police Force who served honorably. He put himself in harms way many times. I understand the short video of Floyd is hard to watch but I also believe once the accused has a chance to speak he'll shine some light on this.

[malibukid]

Trump has enabled the revolution. 

Edited June 1, 2020 by malibukid

[morrobay]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Meanwhile, even more significantly IMO, due to lack of funding for infrastructure, 2 dams in Michigan collapsed, flooding tens of thousands.  And I don't think the nice folks in Flint have non-toxic drinking water even yet.

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/epa-says-flints-water-is-safe-scientists-arent-so-sure/

 

Covid19 and George Floyd and racism may have been the matches that lit the fuse.  But that's just the tip of the inequality iceberg.  All the while, billionaires are getting tax breaks and CEOs are making obscene bonuses for laying people off.  People have been warning for years of the pitchforks coming out.  This may just be the start.

 

All good points and a little socialism for these CEO's is in order. To be spent on infrastructure in inner city's. But this anarchy, looting, fires cannot be permitted. All states with major cities should have called out all National Guards on day one, in position with overwhelming force. Protests are OK and a charge of 2nd degree. But this rioting could have been prevented. 

[mikebike]

46 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

It could be fixed but it has to start and be focused on in a 100% bipartisan manner, beginning in congress.

Yep, that'll do it... keep repeating exactly what hasn't worked for the disenfranchised in the USA since its inception. Systemic change has only ever happened in America via protest and/or riots.

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, mikebike said:

Yep, that'll do it... keep repeating exactly what hasn't worked for the disenfranchised in the USA since its inception. Systemic change has only ever happened in America via protest and/or riots.

 

Not sure I follow - Does rioting and looting and burning down buildings write laws in the USA? 

[mikebike]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Not sure I follow - Does rioting and looting and burning down buildings write laws in the USA? 

Being intentionally obtuse is unbecoming.

[Mama Noodle]

10 minutes ago, malibukid said:

Trump has enabled the revolution. 

Historically speaking, massive riots and looting as typically led to Republican wins in politics. So in that sense I guess its a good thing. 

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, mikebike said:

Being intentionally obtuse is unbecoming.

So we should allow the rioting and looting and burning of cars for a while, then write laws in congress to try and address the problem? 

[Cryingdick]

The scene of the tanker truck on the I 35 bridge in Minneapolis is pretty surreal. The same bridge that collapsed killing people and was subsequently rebuilt.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Cryingdick

[Mama Noodle]

Just now, Cryingdick said:

The scene of the tanker truck on the I 35 bridge in Minneapolis is pretty surreal.

 

Too bad we aren't allowed to post things like that. 

 

Sure thats Trumps fault too. 

[phetpeter]

If Black American and their white sheet followers want change then perhaps they should join the police force, and see how their fellows act, when they are breaking the law and their actions when stopped for the acts. I don't condone the action of the Police officers and am sure they will pay for their parts in the death. Instead of filming the problem, perhaps intervention would have been more appropriate why was he arrested? and why was it necessary to be held, did attitude played a part in the action?

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

Unless one of the old geezers kicks off between now and November and the Republicrats or the Demicans put forth a better candidate, I'm not optimistic that we'll be seeing much peace and stability on the streets.  Unless it's under perpetual curfews and jackboots.

 

Fortunately as per normal Republican dogma - it is unlikely that the jackboots will be from the federal level unless specifically asked for by local state governments. 

[mr mr]

look at how the elite and rich have us turn against each other. *sigh*

[Stargeezr]

There were 3 cops on the body of the black guy, as well as the cop on his neck,

it appeared that he was in handcuffs as well, so what reason at all did the

killer cop have for being on this guys neck in the first place. Intentional

murder that is the only thing I can see.  The 3rd degree murger charge was

pathetic, so it shows what side the police chief is on.

My opinion.  I do hope Floyd gets proper justice.

Geezer

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, mr mr said:

look at how the elite and rich have us turn against each other. *sigh*

 

It's time to stop playing the victim. You are responsible for your own actions. Nobody has turned you against anybody else. 

[bkk6060]

9 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Historically speaking, massive riots and looting as typically led to Republican wins in politics. So in that sense I guess its a good thing. 

Not saying any of what is happening is OK.

But, you are correct. 

Election wise all this now is helping Trump, not hurting him.

[Cryingdick]

1 minute ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

There were 3 cops on the body of the black guy, as well as the cop on his neck,

it appeared that he was in handcuffs as well, so what reason at all did the

killer cop have for being on this guys neck in the first place. Intentional

murder that is the only thing I can see.  The 3rd degree murger charge was

pathetic, so it shows what side the police chief is on.

My opinion.  I do hope Floyd gets proper justice.

Geezer

 

If you want the cop to walk away free charging him with first degree murder is the perfect way to do so. 

[Ventenio]

Clearly, racism has been a problem in America forever.  BUT it's no where near the MOST racist country in the world.  Hundreds of millions of immigrants go to America for a reason; however, racism against blacks is pretty bad (probably top 15 in the world).

 

Had someone from S. Africa say America is the most racist because America is on the news.   ???????????????????  

 

People also forget the MILLIONS murdered because they weren't Catholic.  

 

i remember the American riots in 1992.  in 1992, everyone said, "never again."  

 

ok

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

If you want the cop to walk away free charging him with first degree murder is the perfect way to do so. 

I agree, and it’s one of those occasions when prosecutors need to do the smart thing rather than the emotively popular thing.

 

The mistake I feel they made is there was enough evidence in the video footage to have arrested and charged the officer on Day 1, even the commonly used ‘holding charge’ would have indicated action was being taken.

 

The delay in taking action is without doubt a contributing factor to the ensuing public anger.

 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Chomper Higgot