UK should have gone into coronavirus lockdown sooner - government scientific adviser

[7by7]

Just now, evadgib said:

You didn't have to 49, but I appreciate the fact that you did ????

Didn't have to? 

 

Of course not, and I didn't actually tell you; just posted that protest as an example of one ignored by those condemning the BLM ones.

[Magenta408]

And the dude moonlights for Imperial College or aspires. 

[Magenta408]

No one mentions the "Swedish Model"?

[evadgib]

23 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Indeed, he claims the man he punched to the ground spat at him and called him a name. Odd that no witnesses saw this!

That's strange, given in a video seen this morning he states to the police that he has the full monty on film and has given them the details of at least one independent witness (woman/not known to him) which they duly acknowledged.

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But even if true, is that justification for punching a man to the ground?

Answered in the same clip (Plod's reaction suggested they agreed).

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Well it is for Yaxley-Lennon; a convicted violent thug who has a history of such assaults; one even being against a man who was, at the time, a fellow EDL member!

Deflection. Not for me to comment.

Edited June 8, 2020 by evadgib

[bodga]

32 minutes ago, Magenta408 said:

No one mentions the "Swedish Model"?

Volvo?

[Logosone]

35 minutes ago, Magenta408 said:

No one mentions the "Swedish Model"?

Good point, we should correct that. 

 

As you can see here Sweden has outperformed the UK relative to population, without any mandatory lockdown whatsoever. 

 

 

[Scott Tracy]

I 've seen some tripe on this forum about lockdowns. Everyone's an expert.

 

Even the scientists can't agree as to what should be done. This guy says UK should have locked down earlier, another, the State epidemiologist of Sweden says lockdowns don't work.

 

How does anyone, let alone a government that has to weigh all interests come up with a 'correct decision'?

[RuamRudy]

Have these clowns handled anything during this crisis in a manner that would suggest even a hint of competence amongst them all?

 

Coronavirus: Plan shelved for all primary pupils to be back in school before summer holidays

 

 

 

[mrfill]

On 6/8/2020 at 8:55 AM, phantomfiddler said:

All what death ? 50,000 people dying of respiratory ailments during 150 days of cold wet winter weather in U.K. equates to 0.0005% per day. So many people out there that, when shown a number, switch off the brain and leap to panic stations ????

What 150 days of 'cold, wet winter' ? Do you mean the warmest and driest April and May on record? Since the lockdown on March 23rd the weather has been glorious.

February - Max temp 14, min -1.6, rainfall 61mm

March - max 15, min 0.4 rain 18mm.

April - max 26, min -1.7, rain 28mm.

May - max 28, min 0.9, rain 2.4mm.

June (so far) - max 25, min 6, rain 12mm.

 

And, as so many have made noise about how Thailands record is lower than the daily road death rate, it should be noted that 300 deaths a day is about 60 times the UK daily road death rate. And the 50000 figures is excess deaths - those above the normal for that period (100000) - a 50% increase, even with the genius 'controls' put in.

 

They only panicked when they realised their 'do nothing, buy nothing' policy had gone west big time.

 

[3NUMBAS]

isnt hindsite wonderfull .at the start when these infected came back from italy weekend breaks nobody believed it would explode .it was thought to be a sar ebola nothing virus

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post.

[johnpetersen]

18 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

isnt hindsite wonderfull .at the start when these infected came back from italy weekend breaks nobody believed it would explode .it was thought to be a sar ebola nothing virus

It was thought a "sar ebola virus" was not a threat? Actually no one with any knowledge of the facts thought it was a "sar ebola virus". Ebola is a nothing? And if nobody thought that this virus was a threat, why did so many governments impose lockdowns and other social distancing measures before the UK? The evidence is massively against you.

[3NUMBAS]

sweden tried but also got it wrong .trying to  get the right balance is not easy

 

comparing apples with oranges going on here

[3NUMBAS]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-cases-highly-correlated-extent-040800096.html

 

Flights in and out of Britain are a major factor in the spread of coronavirus, a new report has confirmed.

A study by the Institute for Economics and Peace (IEP) named the UK as an example of where a large number of domestic and international flights "facilitated contagion” of Covid-19.

The report said the flow of air passengers across and within country borders has been a major contributor to the spread of the virus.

Serge Stroobants, an IEP director, said: "The countries most impacted are countries that are really participating in global trade in the globalised world and the interconnected world.

"These are countries in which you will find a large airport hub, giving the potential to people to travel from one country to the other.

"That's why, for example, the region of Milan in Italy, Paris, Brussels, Frankfurt, London and New York, those big international hubs created more exchanges and more potential for the virus to grow."

[Rimmer]

Multiple off topic posts have been removed, the topic is about:

 

UK should have gone into coronavirus lockdown sooner - government scientific adviser

 

Please stay on it.

[johnpetersen]

On 6/8/2020 at 6:55 PM, Logosone said:

Good point, we should correct that. 

 

As you can see here Sweden has outperformed the UK relative to population, without any mandatory lockdown whatsoever. 

 

 

And why aren't you comparing Sweden's performance to that of its neighbors, Norway, Finland and Sweden? Possibly because Sweden has performed dismally compared to them? Those countries have a population profile far more similar to Sweden's and similarly excellent public health services. No shortage of ICU beds there.

[nauseus]

On 6/8/2020 at 7:15 AM, tribalfusion001 said:

Judging by the protests in the UK, it would have been wiser to have no lockdowns. The cure is worse than disease.

Nothing to do with the disease.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

And why aren't you comparing Sweden's performance to that of its neighbors, Norway, Finland and Sweden? Possibly because Sweden has performed dismally compared to them? Those countries have a population profile far more similar to Sweden's and similarly excellent public health services. No shortage of ICU beds there.

Well compared on seperate (topical) threads. 

[nauseus]

On 6/8/2020 at 7:56 AM, tribalfusion001 said:

The protests are morphing into anti-government protests, I even saw people with home made signs saying "this is the revolution". Mostly under 30 and spoiling for a fight, the trouble is there are others in the far right spoiling for a fight too.

These protests were always left wing anti-government protests. Just like Extinction Rebellion - where are they now? Oh I think I can guess.  

[nauseus]

On 6/8/2020 at 6:55 PM, Logosone said:

Good point, we should correct that. 

 

As you can see here Sweden has outperformed the UK relative to population, without any mandatory lockdown whatsoever. 

 

 

Oh bravo!

[3NUMBAS]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-minister-says-uk-worlds-064300626.html

 

Coronavirus: Minister says UK has world's second-highest death toll because 'we are a global travel hub'

Rob Merrick

The Independent3 hours ago

[3NUMBAS]

2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

And why aren't you comparing Sweden's performance to that of its neighbors, Norway, Finland and Sweden? Possibly because Sweden has performed dismally compared to them? Those countries have a population profile far more similar to Sweden's and similarly excellent public health services. No shortage of ICU beds there.

sweden doesnt have millions of afro gents from jamaica and the carribean and bangladeshies and theyre more at risk from covid

[johnpetersen]

15 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

sweden doesnt have millions of afro gents from jamaica and the carribean and bangladeshies and theyre more at risk from covid

Actually, what Sweden doesn't have is lots of poor people living in wretched conditions. Unlike the UK Sweden hasn't slashed its social safety net.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Actually, what Sweden doesn't have is lots of poor people living in wretched conditions. Unlike the UK Sweden hasn't slashed its social safety net.

I know Sweden also has its problems with immigration. And as always in times of need, immigration is a focal point of haters. But looking at Sweden and other Nordic countries immigration is not the issue, it is the botched UK government response.